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jds1978
09-19-2005, 05:54 PM
i've been trying like heck to get a hold of the P38...i love the plane and it's killer armaments. So far i've managed to get smoked out of the sky quite a lot...i realize it's an energy fighter and that you should use B'n'Z tactics and have gotten pretty good in the P51D, the only problem is that the two planes appear to be like night and day....

so the question is...How do you get the most out of your P38? any tips would be helpful! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
09-19-2005, 06:20 PM
OH its a tricky one...

Depends where you fly too. If you're flying on the servers where furballs are at 1000m and lower and everyone is flying Yak-3P's and La-7s good luck. The P-38 doesn't do so well there...not because of performance really but because its a good sized target, its got two engines (which makes everyone prioitize the "easier" target), and it just screams shoot me.

On servers where more sophisticated techniques are used then the P-38 becomes more viable.

Basically you have to use the idiosyncracies of the plane to your advantage.

1) You're fast, maybe faster than everyone else...but if you go too fast then the controls start to lock up
2) You're big, but you also turn well (particularly with combat flaps) for short periods of time and have no torque so you can pull off some crazy manuevers that most planes can't follow
3) You've got firepower...although its concentrated all in the nose which means you all hit or you all don't. Focus on getting good at hitting people with that 20mm cannon to cripple them and then use the .50cals to cut them to ribbons
4) Know how to manage your twin engines. If you loose an engine, make sure you can feather it and shut it down.

Just practice a bunch...its a good plane in the right spot. Its a good team plane so find a buddy. But if you're on the servers where everyone is Yak-3P's and they are just intent on killing and fast...the P-38 isn't so good.

ImpStarDuece
09-19-2005, 08:48 PM
Don't forget the airbrake on the P-38L. It can be VERY useful in tight situations.

General advice is to stay high and fast, lead your shots slightly more than you would in a Pony, don't play in the horizontal plane with lighter opponents, don't overcommit to deflection shots and wash off speed too much, watch compressability and aim for the nose of opposing fighters.

ColoradoBBQ
09-19-2005, 08:50 PM
Another good advice is never ever zoom climb in this plane. Seen too many get shot down thinking they can out-zoom the bandit on their tail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

VW-IceFire
09-19-2005, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
Another good advice is never ever zoom climb in this plane. Seen too many get shot down thinking they can outclimb the bandit on their tail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
You can do this, however, if you're doing a scissors with the bandit and he's low on energy...even if you're also low...you can go high and let the speed drop to say 100kph or even less. Then drop the nose and he should be right there trying to recover.

Only to be used in very specific circumstances...and usually with nobody else about.

BSS_CUDA
09-19-2005, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by jds1978:
so the question is...How do you get the most out of your P38? any tips would be helpful! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Get on WarClouds W/Comms and Fly with Motrin and I, we'll show you how to get the most out of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_CUDA
09-19-2005, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
Another good advice is never ever zoom climb in this plane. Seen too many get shot down thinking they can out-zoom the bandit on their tail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

depends on how you zoom climb http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No prop plane is faster than the 38-Late in a 10% climb

fordfan25
09-19-2005, 11:22 PM
practice. even in servers with hordes of la-7's iv gotten to were i can more than hold my own. seek ot Aireal Target in WC on HL. ask him to teach you. or if you see me on HL "CIA_WildCard" i can help you out a bit. if you get a bandit on your 6 say even a la-7,as long as he does not have a huge speed or alt advantge then you have a good chance. put the 38 "late is the only real version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif" in a shallow climb now that La-7 may slowly gain a bit but what you want to do is wait till he is almost got u in range then nose down and pick up speed renise and repeat. what that will do is keep a large enough gap between you till his plane over heats *p-38 is great about running kool" now once he starts over heating he'll have to fall back just keep climbing and out paceing him till your a good bit above him. then you can force him to turn and run or try to nose up to get to you alt . if he nose's up and you have speed and alt just pull up a bit and wait for him to stall.

now another good tip is if your in a steep climb chaseing a target and you get below 120mph cut throtle tp 0% and full flaps pull all the way back on the stick. you wont start fliping that way. also if you get in to a turn fight use dive recovery flaps. do not leave them on or youll stall. when you feel a stall comeing on just release them and ease up on your turn as little as you can get away with. also something that iv found comes in handy. try this when in Lv flight at even say 90mph, cut power and wull back all the way on the stick. you wont stall or more like the 38 will not flip over like other planes.

when ever posable use 25% fuil. never take rockets unless you have to. with practice FW's will be no prob unless thay sneak up on you or have a massive advantge in E and alt. youll be able to dog fight most 109's. ki84s and beleave it or not iv seen AT out turn zekes at low/med speed in the 38.

biggst thing is though is practice. you really have to dedacate your self to the 38 for a time to learn it. even more so than most other planes do to the fact that it handles so defferent than the single prop planes. with smart planning its as good as any other plane but ofcourse there will be some spots you will get into that there is no getting out of lol. but once you realy learn the bird youll never feel the same about a p-51/47 or even my baby the f4u.

Tully1
09-20-2005, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
Another good advice is never ever zoom climb in this plane. Seen too many get shot down thinking they can out-zoom the bandit on their tail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Many don't know what a zoom climb is. A zoom is meant to be a reasonably shallow climb & seperation manouver, not an vertical climb/dive back on to your opponent... that'll get you killed real quick unless your opponent is already so slow he's on the verge of stall just flying level. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

nakamura_kenji
09-20-2005, 02:11 AM
"ki84s and beleave it or not iv seen AT out turn zekes at low/med speed in the 38."

^-^ that funny I yet be out turn by p-38 guess reisen pilot idiot and not use combat flap and was fly late model A6m which not turn so well. It good plane and something be fear if flown well asoume use speed but not trying turn all p-38 i not seen last very long, it instant turn ok but constant have problem with early to mid A6m ie A6m2, A6m5, ki-43 ki-61-I-ko I all have out turn p-38 easily other thing need also is that ki-61 unlike A6m/ki-43 can dive better to just acelerate away on level asume he not close behind you firing.Also like other say it huge target which make noticeable plus also easier target for deflection shoot. it fun openent to fly against guess main ace is it speed,significantly faster most japanese plane i think it faster than ki-84 but i not fly ki-84 or p-38 so not sure.

3.JG51_BigBear
09-20-2005, 10:09 AM
A good tactic to use if you have someone on your tail is to go into a steep climb with combat flaps down. You want to slow down to about 120mph. When the enemy is just out of firing range, kill the throttle on one of the engine and then give full aileron and rudder in the direction of the dead engine. If you do it right you'll swing around like a top and the enemy should be in your sites long enough to get a snap shot at him from above. If the bandit kept climbing with you he'll be near stall speed and have trouble controling his airplane with the torque trying to snap his plane over a wing. If he dives to pick up speed, probably a necessity, then you should end up on his six fairly easily.

Its a good tactic if you get enough practice with it and was a very popular real life tactic with P-38 pilots in the European theatre.

fordfan25
09-20-2005, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
A good tactic to use if you have someone on your tail is to go into a steep climb with combat flaps down. You want to slow down to about 120mph. When the enemy is just out of firing range, kill the throttle on one of the engine and then give full aileron and rudder in the direction of the dead engine. If you do it right you'll swing around like a top and the enemy should be in your sites long enough to get a snap shot at him from above. If the bandit kept climbing with you he'll be near stall speed and have trouble controling his airplane with the torque trying to snap his plane over a wing. If he dives to pick up speed, probably a necessity, then you should end up on his six fairly easily.

Its a good tactic if you get enough practice with it and was a very popular real life tactic with P-38 pilots in the European theatre.

yes i agree. that can work wounders.

nickdanger3
09-20-2005, 01:20 PM
BigBear - what an interesting tactic ! I've never heard of that - will experiment with it definitely. Thanks.

jds1978
09-20-2005, 02:20 PM
thanks for the time, everyone!

Cuda, i'm flattered for the invite...i still need to get FB+AEP (looking into that this week)
plus a broadband internet connection (currently on dial-up)...once that's taken care of, it's on! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

NAFP_supah
09-21-2005, 01:16 AM
What bigbear describes is called a hammerhead turn. Its a very common airshow manouver for big twins. Shame on you if you never heard about it.

Zjoek
09-21-2005, 04:30 AM
Nice tactic in the 109 too. If you do it right. If not, you'll end up in an uncontrollable flat spin. Yeesh!

Kuna15
09-21-2005, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ColoradoBBQ:
Another good advice is never ever zoom climb in this plane. Seen too many get shot down thinking they can outclimb the bandit on their tail. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
You can do this, however, if you're doing a scissors with the bandit and he's low on energy...even if you're also low...you can go high and let the speed drop to say 100kph or even less. Then drop the nose and he should be right there trying to recover.

Only to be used in very specific circumstances...and usually with nobody else about. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

P-38 is a fine fighter but tough in hammerhead situations. I figured that is related to what you guys are talking about.

When one make safe distance between pursuing fighter (700m+) than goes in complete vertical climb with (hammerhead in mind) it will be more difficult to point nose of the Lightning on pursuer after turn. Than it would be, for instance, in Messerschmitt.

Also airbrake is awesome for making opponent to overshoot, high speed manoeuvres etc. Rate of climb and speed in general are also good sides of the P-38L_LATE.