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mayestdo
10-11-2007, 01:25 AM
I have joined a squadron in which I have to take a series of exams. Next one is about taking off, navigating and landing in stormy weather. How the hell can you land in such weather conditions? Taking off is kind of OK (I need more practice but I can handle it). Navigation, not bad: since the moment you are over 500 ft the wind isn't that strong. But what about landing? It's impossible for me to land correctly. Any advice from the experts in this forum? Thank you very much in advance, mates.

Pigeon_
10-11-2007, 03:02 AM
Just point the nose into the wind a little. If, for example, the wind is coming from the left and the runway heading is 30?. Try flying a 20? heading (of course, this depends on the strength and heading of the wind). If you notice that you're still drifting away from the runway, make little corrections to your heading. Don't use rudder for this, but aelerons. If you do this correctly, you'll get the impression that you're flying a bit sideways towards the runway. It doesn't matter, just continue your 'sideways' approach like a normal approach. When flaring, use the rudder to point your plane in the same direction as the runway just before the wheels touch the surface. You need some practise to get this right, bt once you've mastered it, it's not that hard really... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Would you like me to post a track of a crosswind landing? If so, what plane are you mostly flying?

mayestdo
10-11-2007, 03:47 AM
Oh my! You say "It's not that hard really". I'll need lots of practice to handle it (and lot of crashes too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif) It's a hard life being a virtual pilot, isn't it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PD: Yes I'd love you to send me a track http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif . I am flying a P40 ,the one I'm training with my squadron

Pigeon_
10-11-2007, 05:34 AM
And exactly what type of P-40 would that be? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mayestdo
10-11-2007, 05:46 AM
A P40E

TheCrux
10-11-2007, 06:14 AM
When just hitting fly to spawn, lock your tailwheel IMMEDIATELY...the nanosecond you hit fly. It'll be much easier to begin taxiing or takeoff if you are already headed the direction you want to go without having to try and recover and thus overcompensate.

Also; set your controls up ( joystick for example ) where you can use the throttle and brake at the same time without needing 3 hands or reaching for your keyboard and getting lost. This really helps especially with differential braking w/rudder input.

Make your landings at slightly higher speed to maintain control authority...say 10-15 mph ( 20 kph ) or so.

DKoor
10-11-2007, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by mayestdo:
I have joined a squadron in which I have to take a series of exams. Next one is about taking off, navigating and landing in stormy weather. How the hell can you land in such weather conditions? Taking off is kind of OK (I need more practice but I can handle it). Navigation, not bad: since the moment you are over 500 ft the wind isn't that strong. But what about landing? It's impossible for me to land correctly. Any advice from the experts in this forum? Thank you very much in advance, mates. Here is the track (http://www.esnips.com/doc/5f12a18e-a60a-4fff-87d9-aa5c0d3e87cb/DKoorI250-BS46escapemis3) I recorded under the worst possible weather in the game.
I flew the I-250.
I took off from the field, it was that mission where you escape from Soviet prison.

A nice example that you can fly at any weather conditions in this game.
Fight is of course, extremely difficult particularly at lower alts because of the turbulences which obstruct your aim....and other things.

mayestdo
10-11-2007, 08:53 AM
DKoor, thanks for the track. I'm just downloading it now. And thanks everyone for the tips. I`ll try to remember them when I'm about to crash against the cold wet ground http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mayestdo
10-11-2007, 09:13 AM
Nice track, DKoor. That's a very skillfull and professional landing. I hope I can do the same in my next test with my squadron http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

OMK_Hand
10-14-2007, 01:16 PM
Hi mayestdo.

For low level flight in bad weather, one could try a generalised version of the advice that the RAF seem to have given. Namely that, "In bumpy air, speed should be limited to an economical cruising speed", and that the use of flaps in these circumstances makes flying ˜more pleasant'.

As a general rule of thumb, averaging from Pilot's notes for several types:
Flaps either at ˜take off' (about a third if on a slider), or full down if there are no intermediate settings.
Use ˜maximum continuous' r.p.m., and whatever throttle setting gives a speed either at or a few m.p.h. below the flaps-down limitation speed.

This can be applied to all types.
In a Ju88 for example, it would work out at (I think) 2250 r.p.m. (the green line on the dial), and whatever throttle to maintain around 200 - 240 k/ph. You have to keep an eye on the speed though, in turbulent air it can change quickly.

One result of flying this way is that your nicely established and calm when it comes to your final approach. The whole flight is one long groovy approach...

Hope this is of interest, and good luck.

mayestdo
10-15-2007, 03:13 AM
Thanks everyone for the tips. The truth is I'm starting to handle the situation (little by little, of course) although now I find there is another serious problem. In bad weather and at night time, the runaway is only seen when you are hardly some hundreds feet away (at least the runaway I've created in my training missión, lightened with "Lights Nuber 4" in the objects section) Those last seconds trying to find out where the hell the runaway is drive me crazy. If I'm able to get calmed I'll probably land quite decently. Sometimes, when I see the runaway, it's too far on my left or on my right. Damnit! Oh, God, I think it's too hard for me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif The track DKoor sent me is wonderful, but the visibility in that landing situation is no problem at all. Well, tonight is my test. If I pass it, I'll let you know http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mayestdo
10-15-2007, 03:30 AM
And, by the way, my "flying instructor" insisits on taking off with the tail wheel unlocked (He says I have to lock it only when landing). I find it easier to lock it and trim the rudder opposite the wind direction. This way I dont have to overcorrect with the rudder pedals. What do you think about it?

OMK_Hand
10-15-2007, 03:31 AM
Try the old 'racetrack approach.

This explains a modern racetrack holding pattern. The circuit in blue on the images is the racetrack I'm thinking of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holding_(aviation)

Stick to that blue shape in your mind...
Find the runway, and set up the racetrack starting heading along the length of the runway. Time each leg of the circuit, sticking to your approach speed and make each turn at the same angle of bank. Not easy in a storm.

Sounds more complicated than it is, but it might help?

Good luck again.

Pigeon_
10-15-2007, 03:35 AM
Could you send me that mission and tell me what your difficulty settings are? I'll have a look for you.

My address is jinxofthephoenix@hotmail.com

OMK_Hand
10-15-2007, 04:17 AM
"my "flying instructor" insisits on taking off with the tail wheel unlocked (He says I have to lock it only when landing). I find it easier to lock it and trim the rudder opposite the wind direction. This way I dont have to overcorrect with the rudder pedals. What do you think about it?"

For what it's worth, I think you should do as your instructor asks... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mayestdo
10-15-2007, 04:34 AM
OK, OMK_Hand, I'll do it as he says http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And, Pigeon, If I can, I'll send you the track this afternoon. I'm at work now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Pigeon_
10-15-2007, 06:45 AM
Not the track, but the mission please. That way I can record a track for you in the exact same conditions you are flying in. Of course, sending me a track as well is ok too... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mayestdo
10-16-2007, 02:41 AM
Hey guys, surprisingly and against all odds I passed the test! The landing was far from perfect, not to mention the navigation (I couldn't see anything at all, so I couldn't check the waypoints properly), but I managed to land the P40 and although I ran a bit out of the runaway, my instructor considered it a good landing (You know, a good landing is that one in which you can get out of the plane walking and alive, although the plane is destroyed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) Thank you all of you for your wise pieces of advice. There are still seven tests left, so you'll have to help me more http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pigeon_
10-19-2007, 05:09 AM
Congratulations on passing the test mate! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I finally found some spare time to record a track for you. Get it here: www.virtualredarrows.com/Phoenix/Tracks/lowviscrosswind.ntrk (http://www.virtualredarrows.com/Phoenix/Tracks/lowviscrosswind.ntrk), if you're still interested...

I didn't think the wind and the visibility were too bad. And if you get lost, you could always take a look on your map (if that's allowed...).

Oh and if you miss the runway you can always go around and try again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What squadron are you flying with? And why do they have tests like these?

mayestdo
10-21-2007, 05:49 AM
Oh, thank you so much for the track. I'm right now downloading it. I passed the test, but my landing was far from perfect. I'll need more practice and help like yours is always welcomed. As far as my escuadron is concerned, I'm Spanish and belong to a Spanish one (Escuadron 111). There are two parts. In the first part there are two exams: Taking off, navigating and landing in good weather, and the second one, the one you already know about it. The second part are 8 more exams. They consist of fighting the AI, fighting my instructor, Bombing Training, Bombing a convoy which has AA, fighting a group of bombers with escort... and so on. If I am able to pass all of these tests, then I have a mission with other four mates and I have to give them the orders so that the mission goes OK. And if I pass this final exam, then I become a Liutenant and I belong to the squadron as a "legal" member. Well, I hope you haven't got too bored with my explanations.

Thank you again for the track.

PS: By the way, who will win this afternoon, Hamilton or Alonso? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

mayestdo
10-21-2007, 05:56 AM
I've already watched the track. Well, if I had landed like you, I'd have become a Liuetenant instantly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif I'll try to do it like you. thanks, mate!

Pigeon_
10-21-2007, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by mayestdo:
Oh, thank you so much for the track. I'm right now downloading it. I passed the test, but my landing was far from perfect. I'll need more practice and help like yours is always welcomed. As far as my escuadron is concerned, I'm Spanish and belong to a Spanish one (Escuadron 111). There are two parts. In the first part there are two exams: Taking off, navigating and landing in good weather, and the second one, the one you already know about it. The second part are 8 more exams. They consist of fighting the AI, fighting my instructor, Bombing Training, Bombing a convoy which has AA, fighting a group of bombers with escort... and so on. If I am able to pass all of these tests, then I have a mission with other four mates and I have to give them the orders so that the mission goes OK. And if I pass this final exam, then I become a Liutenant and I belong to the squadron as a "legal" member. Well, I hope you haven't got too bored with my explanations.

Thank you again for the track.

PS: By the way, who will win this afternoon, Hamilton or Alonso? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sounds like a good training. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Another thing you need to remember to make a good landing: Make a loooooooooooooooong approach! Also, make sure you drop your flaps and gear early in the approach. This way you have more time to set the aircraft up for a nice stable descent towards the runway treshold. Keep the nose at a slightly positive pitch angle and control your vertical speed with the throttle. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif