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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 01:30 PM
I'd like the Maddox Team to reconsider creating a flyable Pe-2 as its entry into this simulation would give the VVS side a much needed twin engine bomber need to fight in online wars. Yes, I understand historical cocpit information might not be available but the need for this aircraft outweights historical accuracy. I believe the surviving examples of the Pe-2 type (even though they had post-war modifications) provide a sufficient basis for this aircraft's cocpit design.

Future add-on aircraft should (IMHO) concentrate in two areas: Ground attack / Twin engine bombers and Early War Aitcraft that display their multi-role abilities of fighter-bomber.

Thanks for considering this suggestion,
Mtn.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 01:30 PM
I'd like the Maddox Team to reconsider creating a flyable Pe-2 as its entry into this simulation would give the VVS side a much needed twin engine bomber need to fight in online wars. Yes, I understand historical cocpit information might not be available but the need for this aircraft outweights historical accuracy. I believe the surviving examples of the Pe-2 type (even though they had post-war modifications) provide a sufficient basis for this aircraft's cocpit design.

Future add-on aircraft should (IMHO) concentrate in two areas: Ground attack / Twin engine bombers and Early War Aitcraft that display their multi-role abilities of fighter-bomber.

Thanks for considering this suggestion,
Mtn.

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 03:38 PM
this is a realy good plane and i want it in the game and i think i remembe oleg sasying the the only surviving vvs aircraft in russia without modifications is a pe 2

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:20 PM
he has all the cockpit information needed to build the Pe-2, Pe-3, and I believe the Tu-2 bombers. He's just not doing it. Why, who the hell knows. None of the freelance modelers are doing them either, prolly because he (Oleg) has them reserved. They above any other planes need to be made flyable and put in this game. Screw the P-51 and anyother plane thats not Russian. And I'm American.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 06:38 PM
bump

Agreed Mountain.

All these modelled AC with no cockpits is a shame, and most are the important bombers.

This includes the Ju88 as well.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:03 PM
Totally agree.....Pe2 and 3 should be priority for flyable aircraft....even if we need to pay for them.

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XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:03 PM
Can't bump this - it's on top of the page already

But I heartily agree - VVS needs bombers, and the Pe2 is just plain sexy...

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 07:18 PM
I will drink to that. P-51 is almost done anyway, but take the guys off the Zero and Ki-84 and put them to work on the Pe-2 or Tu-2!

7./JG26_HarryM

XyZspineZyX
07-10-2003, 08:28 PM
ho need a flyable Komet or P-51 if the bombers are not in the game?
Yes Mountain i agree to give us the russian bombers and ahter bombers that have done there job on the eastfront.

I/KG26_Oranje

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 06:18 AM
Russia declared War on Japan and went on the offensive against Japan.
I dont like your chances of getting any labour time being assigned away from the Japanese fighters, they actualy belong in Forgotton Battles at a time when the Luftwaffe no longer existed, thats just history.

Harry_M wrote:
- I will drink to that. P-51 is almost done anyway,
- but take the guys off the Zero and Ki-84 and put
- them to work on the Pe-2 or Tu-2!
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Message Edited on 07/11/0305:20AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
07-11-2003, 08:07 AM
I must agree. Why the 163 when we've got 32 unflyable types in FB already, over 20 of them combat capable. Surely the Pe2 and Tu2, the 129 and the Su-2 are more worthy than the Komet which is a "novelty" plane with little real relevance to the Eastern Front and played a fairly limited part in the entire war (apart from killing a lot of pilots and groundcrew).

Please Oleg, the Pe-series.

If Oleg reserved them he must care about them. See what happened to the P-51 and the I153, and they're flyable....

I think the Ki-84 and the A6M are being done by 3rd party guys (Luthier the former and an anonymous Russian chap is doing the latter).

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XyZspineZyX
07-25-2003, 11:55 PM
Agree.. since we are getting flyable JU-88, I think (and allways have thought) that PE-2/PE-3 is a must have for FB..



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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:44 AM
I too would like to see a flyable Tu-2 or Pe-2. In my opinion, the VVS needs a more modern level bomber. The TB-3 does not seem capable enough for certain bombing tasks (especially high altitude).

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:07 AM
Good shouts from many of you but it is still apparent many are clueless about the development of add on aircraft for IL2/FB.

Many of the aircraft whinged about in this thread have been developed freelance, not by Maddox1c.

Anybody who is willing to take the time to develop an aircraft for this game has a right to choose what they want to design, has to take a risk that their model is up to standard for inclusion in the game and has my respect.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 03:08 AM
This is a request for the Maddox Team to provide some direction and when needed, provide the technical resources also.

Yes Snoopy, modelers are free to create their favorite aircraft and submit them to Maddox for addition in the updates. But, consider there are quality and continuity (Does a B-29 fit into the eastern front ?) issues to consider.

When there are glaring deficiencies in the types of aircraft in this game, Maddox needs to take charge and either: encourage 3rd party modelers to fill the gaps or use thier own resources to complete them. The examples are cited above, twin engine attack bombers and fighter-bombers would be excellent additions to this Sim.

In another post today, I suggested that Maddox assist 3rd party modelers with their aircraft selections by announcing future maps that will be created. If it was known that a particular area would have a map created, it would provide the stimulus for designers to create aircraft to "fit in".

The reason I'd like to see these aircraft is to add variety to the online wars I enjoy competing in. We base our wars on ground troop movements and use the aircraft to influence the outcome of battles.

I have seen substantial support for this suggestion so if the Maddox Team is able to add these vital aircraft they would be greatly appreciated.

Mtn.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 11:34 AM
Not everything being done is public to us here. There is a vast Russian flightsimming community and modellers etc. So much more is happening than appears on these fora ...

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:20 PM
Ian, if I read between lines... that means some groups are actually working on these ? Pe2 and TU2S are must for FB, I never understood why some modelers are spending all their effort on planes that are not flown whatsoever, they were flown lets say 1 week online and now they are just a curiosity.. I won't mention names nor planes, but most of you know what I'm talking about.

And yes I would pay for an add-ons with extra twin engine bombers and dive-bombers from both side and definetly extra maps. I still wonder why maps like area of Rostov on Don, Kharkov, Kiev and so on are not part of IL2 FB, these are area changed hands often throughout the course of WWII... And yes, I want FB to transport us west too. More maps of Germany would create the niche for US fighters/bombers against German planes. Cause I'm affraid that P47 with 195 copies on the Eastern Front (all up north, and Leningrad) and P51 with how many copy ?? don't make much sense with the current maps. There was also 2376 P63 sent to the Soviets and yes 1331 Sptifires...

Last note to 1C Maddox, can you guys add more Russian regiments ?? When I use your charts of regiments on your website Ian, I'm stuck not using the proper regiments in the game, since they are not available http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:17 PM
As a modeller I am firstly put-off because the lack of sources and the unknown of the plane. Also, as a strating modeller, more people want either favorite planes or planes that are not so important, as to let other experts develop the most needed ones.

That is why some peiple like Luthier made the Bi-2 to learn, or Terrence (majesty) made the Ar198, or that is why we may be getting the Cr.42, the Do-18 etc.

Also, some people are thoughtfull enough as to make less known fancy planes that will enable other nations to enter service, such as the C. Hawk (P-36), the B-293, the Cr.42 (/i/smilies/16x16_man-tongue.gif ) and others.

Despite the fact of no Pe-2 yet, I am helping a modeller (Rafael, brazil) to make the A-20 Boston. With this, it will get better.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:06 PM
xanty, I must say I appreciate the work you and other 3rd party modlers have done and i am anticipating being able to fly the aircraft you mentioned in your post.

Ian, your comment about development behind the scenes is a bit troubling in that I precieve a breakdown of communication between modelers and the developement team.

In the past, il2center was a much more active community that contributed to the original il-2 (and FB) by creating flyable aircraft. Lately, il2center has seen less activity and that's why I brought up the issue of how the modelers are being guided into selecting projects for aircraft that will compliment this sim. I'd like to see the il2center new aircraft development forum incorporated into this official ubi forum and also have the Maddox Team provide more information about and guidance to the 3rd party modelers in an open forum.

XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:31 PM
Il2center doesn't create aircraft. It provides support, information and a gathering point. It is not braking down...just works in a different way nowadays.

If you go to the Forums there, you will see that many planes are being created, but because of the length of time it takes and the boring nature of the process after the LOD0 is done, they seem to banish or being less active. However, this can be far from the truth: Who wants to see the weekly process of the LODs creation, the next shadow model or the little advances and tweaks thta may just look horrible to the ordinary viewer? (not even Gibbage, the most active showing modeller, has ever shwon LODs or boring stuff like that)

Also, consider some people don't speak english or may not even know the existance of Il2center.

However, we may get lots of planes in a time frame of six months, if all goes well and Oleg can keep up.

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XyZspineZyX
07-27-2003, 09:38 PM
VOL_Mountain wrote:
- I'd like to see the il2center new
- aircraft development forum incorporated into this
- official ubi forum and also have the Maddox Team
- provide more information about and guidance to the
- 3rd party modelers in an open forum.
-
-

Modellers share information between each other and receive it from Maddox Games where they need it. There is no reason for a more public forum than il2center.com forums are today.


-jippo

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 01:53 AM
Yes for *&#$s sake how about some more maps, or at least a tool to let us create our own. I'd be willing to pay for an add-on w/the Pe2/3, P-63, and maps and some more ground objects (while I'm dreaming I might as well throw in horses, wagons, fox holes and trenches. Should I mention troops to man the artillery? -- nah, that's too "out there").

DR_Hangar wrote:
- Ian, if I read between lines... that means some
- groups are actually working on these ? Pe2 and TU2S
- are must for FB, I never understood why some
- modelers are spending all their effort on planes
- that are not flown whatsoever, they were flown lets
- say 1 week online and now they are just a
- curiosity.. I won't mention names nor planes, but
- most of you know what I'm talking about.
-
- And yes I would pay for an add-ons with extra twin
- engine bombers and dive-bombers from both side and
- definetly extra maps. I still wonder why maps like
- area of Rostov on Don, Kharkov, Kiev and so on are
- not part of IL2 FB, these are area changed hands
- often throughout the course of WWII... And yes, I
- want FB to transport us west too. More maps of
- Germany would create the niche for US
- fighters/bombers against German planes. Cause I'm
- affraid that P47 with 195 copies on the Eastern
- Front (all up north, and Leningrad) and P51 with how
- many copy ?? don't make much sense with the current
- maps. There was also 2376 P63 sent to the Soviets
- and yes 1331 Sptifires...
-
- Last note to 1C Maddox, can you guys add more
- Russian regiments ?? When I use your charts of
- regiments on your website Ian, I'm stuck not using
- the proper regiments in the game, since they are not
- available http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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- Ciao
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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 12:25 PM
Good replies, it is nice to know that this work is going on even though we didn't know it was.

It's exciting to see - I hope FB is continually built upon, makes for an even better sim than it already is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't forget the B17 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:02 PM
The_Management wrote:
- Yes for *&#$s sake how about some more maps, or at
- least a tool to let us create our own. I'd be
- willing to pay for an add-on w/the Pe2/3, P-63, and
- maps and some more ground objects

They've already tried letting people create their own maps, and it turned out to be too much of a problem (too many errors for 1C to correct, etc.).

I/JG54^Lukas
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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 05:39 PM
maybe those bombers are THE BIG SURPRIZE in the planes addon? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2003, 09:24 PM
PE-2 RULES!