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jagdmailer
12-11-2005, 04:48 PM
Hello,

This has probably been asked before and I did search but did not find the info I was looking for....

I have heard of many existing games crashing when using an AMD64 X2 "dual core" system & many game developper refusing to release patches for their games to run properly on dual core CPUs

1. Is this true?
2. Will FB/PF run fine on a AMD64 "dual core" CPU?

I am in the market for a new CPU/Mobo to replace my Athlon XP3200+ and would like to give the new dual core CPU a try. Otherwise, I will get the single core AMD 64 4000+.

Thanks!

JagdMailer

VW-IceFire
12-11-2005, 05:09 PM
Have heard nothing of the sort. Got some sources for those tidbits of information. I'm plotting a dual core purchase in the future.

I haven't heard of any such problems and I've been reading the review sites like HardOCP and Tomshardware.

As for releasing patches...I don't see that happening too much as most game developers didn't design their engines with dual core in mind so its sort of hard to tack it on.

Stackhouse25th
12-11-2005, 05:34 PM
dual core=bad for gaming

single core=good for gaming

danjama
12-11-2005, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
dual core=bad for gaming

single core=good for gaming

He lives by the KISS rule:

Keep It Simple Stupid

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jagdmailer
12-11-2005, 07:44 PM
No real quotes, but an aquaintance of mine that is a "hardcore" gamer told me to stay away from dual core CPU based system for gaming systems. While I have no doubt that new games that are be developpe will likely work and/or take advantage of this technology, he claims that it causes crashes in many games, and that most developpers of existing/older games won't spend the time (ie. money) to make a patch that allow the existing/older games to work and/or take advantage of the dual core technology.

That is what I was told. Now, anyone out there that has an AMD64 X2 (Dual core) based system and uses it extensively for gaming? What are your findings? Good or bad with existing game including of course Il2/PF ??

Thanks!

Jagd


Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Have heard nothing of the sort. Got some sources for those tidbits of information. I'm plotting a dual core purchase in the future.

I haven't heard of any such problems and I've been reading the review sites like HardOCP and Tomshardware.

As for releasing patches...I don't see that happening too much as most game developers didn't design their engines with dual core in mind so its sort of hard to tack it on.

Pirschjaeger
12-11-2005, 07:51 PM
I'm no expert on this and don't even know what dual or single core is. I have a Amd64 3000 + Venice. PF 4.02, everything in perfect, runs fine, never a problem, but COD2 causes the game to crash when there's too much going on. It almost never happens if I stay with "optimal game settings" though.

Don't know if this helps you.

Fritz

vocatx
12-11-2005, 08:48 PM
You might try asking this question over in the "Community Help" forum. It seems that I recall seeing a post recently about someone running FB/PF on a dual core Athlon. I could be wrong about that, but even if I am, I'd be willing to bet one of those fellows could answer your question.

StellarRat
12-11-2005, 11:52 PM
I'm running IL2 on a Dual Core AMD 3800+. No problems. MB is ASUS A8V Deluxe. I have 2 gigs DDR400. Radeon 800 XL video card. I've also run several of my older games on it without any trouble.

Hartford688
12-12-2005, 12:01 AM
3800+ X2 works just dandily for me too.

woofiedog
12-12-2005, 12:51 AM
If you have the extra to spend.... check out the AMD Athlonâ"ž˘ 64 FX-57 or FX series.

http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/cpus/amd/athlon64/fx57/001.htm

partic_3
12-12-2005, 01:17 AM
For what it's worth (i.e. not very much) I read a couple of reviews that showed very little improvement in the AMD dual core CPUs over similar speed single core CPUs. Did I read on these forums that IL2 is essential a single thread app? I am confident, however, in saying that the FX-57 is the best CPU for IL2.
But the price?!!? Sheesh!

woofiedog
12-12-2005, 01:35 AM
I am very pleased with the over all performance of the FX 57 that is in my rig... a jump from my old Intel 4 2.53 rig.
Smooth operation whether your gaming or working with your computer.

AndyHigh
12-12-2005, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by jagdmailer:
1. Is this true?
2. Will FB/PF run fine on a AMD64 "dual core" CPU?


I don't think dual cores should give any problems for single threaded programs. It's the OS that schedules threads for CPU.

I've X2 3800+ and have no problems running IL2. Only problems were with too tight memory timings or too low voltage while overclocking. Most of these (all?) should do 2.4 ghz easily, but you may need to raise the voltage. Btw. if you want to overclock, you need to check that both cores run stable.

Besides its a beast for real work with apps that support multithreading, and general multitasking in windows. Powerconsumption is about the same as with older Athlon 64's due to smaller transistors etc.

Jetbuff
12-12-2005, 08:12 AM
For every new technology there will always be naysayers.

Now regarding dual cores vs single core CPUs with regard to IL-2, go check simHQ or Firingsquad for some reviews.

If you're too lazy,here's a quick summary:

FB/AEP/PF do not significantly benefit from dual core processors. Now, since the top of the line single core processors are actually faster MHz-wise, this means IL-2 runs slightly faster on single core cpus. That said, the difference is marginal and there are secondary benefits to dual core processors like having Teamspeak, your trackIR software, your HOTAS mapping program or whatever else you like running in the background with ZERO impact on the game's performance. Bottom line, I'd compare the prices and consider how long it will likely be to my next upgrade. If prices are comparable between your single/dual selections and you don't expect to upgrade within a year, I recommend going dual core.

hamselv2
12-12-2005, 09:09 AM
Comparison (Pacific Fighters benchmark) of AMD FX-57 and AMD X2 4800+
http://www.simhq.com/_technology/technology_066c.html

AMD X2 problem and solution:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=81...26dad1281c2b&t=81429 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=81bf947faaac8344b38226dad1281c2b&t=81429)

AMD X2 problem and solution:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/4021097973

AMD X2 driver:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/...182_871_9706,00.html (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html)