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Siwarrior
02-02-2006, 03:57 AM
C'mon guys
really? why do we need late war planes that had no efect on the war when there are better planes out there ie the Swordfish, Ki-60s, Devastor, P-40N/K, that had more effect on the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

no one really needs that late war uber stuff unless they wanna fly late war campaigns which i would say is a small percentage

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nakamura_kenji
02-02-2006, 04:00 AM
ki-60 only prototypes no acept service as never meet design specfation

a5m,ki-21,ki-27,ki-43-II,ki-44 yes ^_^

msalama
02-02-2006, 04:41 AM
Well, a good counter-question would be why not?

Though I'm with you anyways, being the suicidal c**p-plane ground attack cannon fodder loser that I am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And thus would personally love to see the U-2VS flyable/crashable... haven't died in one of those yet y'see http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2006, 04:49 AM
Faster, stronger, deadlier, that`s why.

It`s a typical thing, a lot of people go for what they see as best and they keep going for better and better, even if, in reality, they`d probably never fly the aircraft since it would be quiet few in number.

Truth to tell, I spend most of my time flying `41-`43 aircraft, since this is the time of the great struggle of Russia and the Allies. I enjoy playing the desperate defender against the aggressor.

This is why i sometimes get a bit of a shock online since many servers just concentrate on `uber` aircraft; the torque often surprises me and sends me rolling off the runway!

anarchy52
02-02-2006, 05:27 AM
You can take this as a humorous post or not, it's up to you

The reason we HAD a need for /late war/limited use/fantasy/ fighters was to gain advantage over blue planes in War Clouds dogfight server where 95% of the whines come from. Problem was that without ABSOLUTELLY superior aircraft pilots couldn't kill the oposition like their favorite comic book hero. The fault certainly could not be in their skills, so it had to be something else. The main advantage of the oposition was speed and guns.

The campaign was started on two fronts:
1) .50 cal worship (tiger killing, destroyer sinking, plane shredding railguns with 2g of incindeary content that melts main spars). This campaign failed miserably despite zeal of the campaign leaders as ammo effectiveness is easier to test and is less prone to interpretation "errors".

2) Second front was increasing gun platform performance - therefore the idea was born to itroduce "Late" 150 grade fuel high boost allied planes which should feature increased performance giving the edge to the red pilots.

- P-38 Late with increased speed, turn rate and instant-outturn button function.
- Mustang III (V-1 chaser variant) was also introduced becoming the fastest prop in the game.
- P-47D Late a bit faster was introduced together with improved low speed handling

Still, the results were obviously less then satisfactory. What was needed was the aircraft that can easily outmanuever, outclimb, outgun and outrun the oposition - thus the idea of 25lbs Spitfire. However with the announcement of boosted axis aircraft it seems that "boost for advantage" campaign failed, also awakening interest in introduction of axis 1944 plane: The Me-262.

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Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 05:31 AM
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WOLFMondo
02-02-2006, 05:32 AM
"won teh war"

haha http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 05:43 AM
Well, since the late war exsisted it only seems logical to have late war planes. I think Oleg chooses what we get based on the customers´requests.

Fact is, the majority of the simmers prefer late war. Bigger guns, more PS/HP, faster planes.

I prefer early models, you know, the one´s where more skill is required. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But, you and I are the minority customers. Too add, Oleg only has so much time. So, he has 3rd party modellers. This means Oleg can only offer what needs to be made and the 3rd party modellers choose what they want to make.

I think we have enough planes, well, save bombers. I would like to see more details being added to the exsisting sim rather than new planes.

Also, late war included more countries. Imagine if the sim was only early war. The American customers would have much to choose from in their planeset.

Do you wanna be flying a P40 in China all the time? Or would you like to be a volunteer in the RAF? Of course you´d always have Pearl Harbour but then you need the best PC.

It´s the customers who basically inspire the planesets. Oleg is simply doing customer service.

Fritz

Bearcat99
02-02-2006, 05:46 AM
Why not... the option to allow or not to allow these planes rests with every host.. if a person is too lazy, stupid or chronologically challenged to figure out how to either
A)Find servers with plane sets they can deal with or
B)host thir own servers with the planesets they prefer then that is not the community or 1Cs problem.

Personally in my opinion, the main thing thing stopping a lot of these "other more relevent" aircraft that so many people are asking for is that there either are no folks talented enough or willing to make the models and do the stations on the multicrewed aircraft to a level of quality acceptable to 1C or there isnt enough data available or there are certsain limits to the FMs that can be done with so many different varients..... since it seems to me.. considering all the aircraft we have gotten added since FB1.0.. that 1C is willing to add aircraft if there are decent enough models out there.. but they wont accept any half done or second rate work. Every new plane that has been added to this sim from FB 1.0 on has been just as good or better than all of the original stuff.... I amglad that we hae what we have. I would love to see some more late war and even a few post WWII aircraft under these , the best flight models in any combat sim on the market.

Some of you folks just kill me with the way you moan and complain every doggone time we get somethiung like this. You all need to get a grip and enjoy what we have.... according to another p[ost by OLeg that I read if it were up to UBI we woul;dnt be getting what we have.... all work..... ALL work would have been solely directed to BoB and we would not have what we do. Oleg and 1C made a commitment to us that they are trying to honor as best they can and I for one am grateful.

Feathered_IV
02-02-2006, 05:48 AM
It´s the customers who basically inspire the planesets. Oleg is simply doing customer service.


I wish Oleg would service me.


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SeaFireLIV
02-02-2006, 05:53 AM
anarchy52, man, that`s what I call a British sense of humour! I don`t think some of our colleagues across the sea will appreciate it, but I was rolling about in laughter to that!

JG53Frankyboy
02-02-2006, 05:55 AM
well ,the war was from 1939 to 1945 - as simple as it is

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 06:00 AM
BC always has a way with words. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Next week we´ll have a thread called "Why do we have to wait so long for BoB?". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

robban75
02-02-2006, 06:02 AM
Why do we need late war planes

Well, for starters, they look really cool! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Capt_Haddock
02-02-2006, 06:11 AM
Nice one, Anarchy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I would also love having more 1930's planes, but I guess I have to agree with Bearcat. I am grateful for all we have, and if any plane is missing is just because no one made it. Oleg has never rejected a high-quality model.

Still patiently waiting for the Avia and the XXI, though...

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Hristo_
02-02-2006, 06:12 AM
To me it is the glamour.

Nobody knows about LaGG-3. Everyone knows the 262.

Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 06:18 AM
Of course, Bear, we all are gratefull to to what Oleg and 1C presented to us. Well, most of us, at least.

I think we also learned about US-companies, *demanding* money for advertising, oposed to what usually is common sense.

Still, it really makes me wonder if the pure quality and quantity of 3D-Modells given to Oleg and his team decide on what planes are added? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

And if it's customer support, why are there not more planes added for blue to even up the score?

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 06:27 AM
Blue whines less. They are too busy trying to become great in planes that require great pilots.

Fritz

BSS_CUDA
02-02-2006, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Blue whines less. They are too busy trying to become great in planes that require great pilots.

Fritz ROFL. Ya right you just go right ahead and keep thinking that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Kajun442
02-02-2006, 07:21 AM
I hope that what is lacking in early aircraft in FB/AEP/PF
will be included in BOB. If not in original content then,through add-ons and patches.I don't know anything about programing,but would it be possible and/or easy to take the aircraft from FB/AEP/PF and convert for use in BOB?

Kajun442

MercilessFatBoy
02-02-2006, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Siwarrior:
C'mon guys
really? why do we need late war planes that had no efect on the war when there are better planes out there ie the Swordfish, Ki-60s, Devastor, P-40N/K, that had more effect on the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

no one really needs that late war uber stuff unless they wanna fly late war campaigns which i would say is a small percentage

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only late war planes because tird party guys decided that... people have a tendency to what if thingy... and they like the curves of those late war planes.... u can learn ur self and make all the early planes you like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i am gona study 3d design just to be able to add the planes and ground objects to this sim... or i mean bob.... late rare planes here we go http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Siwarrior
02-02-2006, 08:50 PM
i stil wonder why we need these planes when some of them had little or no effect on the war, are they just making them because they brig people to the game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

jds1978
02-02-2006, 09:07 PM
well we don't "need" any late war planes. but they are "giving" us some http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

for the record, i dig the early war cr@p AC as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

i remember a few summers back being able to tour a B17 and a B24 Back to Back. the B17 was from a totally different mindset: romantic and almost naive looking. The B24 was all utilitarian mass destruction. nothing pretty about it at all. just jammed full of M2's and primitive electronics. that tour sort of encapsulated the whole American experience in WW2 for me.

Siwarrior
02-02-2006, 09:21 PM
ok then , why do they *give* us this late war stuff.............lmao
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Gumtree
02-02-2006, 09:30 PM
Si ,
If ya want to fly 39-43 come to our server 450DED the settings aren't easy but the gang is friendly and the planesets from that period.

But ya better hurry as with the Tempest coming we might just have to put in a later map in to play with the new planes.

By the way anyone else interested in early mid war mainly Med theatre come in and say G'day to the 450 boys,just keep the sides even .

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Siwarrior:
i stil wonder why we need these planes when some of them had little or no effect on the war, are they just making them because they brig people to the game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Yes and no. SiWarrior, you have to understand that IL-2 is a business. Any business must make money. If it didn´t make money, we wouldn´t have this sim or even this forum. Money dude. Oleg, his crew, and ubi guyz gotta eat.

And yes, late model planes(depending on your definition of late model) did make a difference.

I know what you are saying, but sometimes you gotta go with the flow. Such is life.

When I am flying again, I´ll find an early war server and pm you. We´ll either fly together or against each other.

Cool?

Fritz

LEXX_Luthor
02-02-2006, 11:11 PM
mmmm

"B17 romantic, naive looking. B24 utilitarian mass destruction, nothing pretty. The American WW2 experience" ~jds1978


hhhmmmm

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Somehow I can´t imagine "gettin´my swerve on" with a B17. Maybe there is something wrong with me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Friendly_flyer
02-02-2006, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by anarchy52:
Noobisift, age 16, IQ 51


You certainly made my morning! Now I just have to scange my t-shirt that just became full og coffee.

LEXX_Luthor
02-02-2006, 11:20 PM
Pirsch::
Somehow I can´t imagine "gettin´my swerve on" with a B17.
I can. The painted girls look natural on -17, out of place on -24. Never thought of this before.

Siwarrior
02-02-2006, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Siwarrior:
i stil wonder why we need these planes when some of them had little or no effect on the war, are they just making them because they brig people to the game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Yes and no. SiWarrior, you have to understand that IL-2 is a business. Any business must make money. If it didn´t make money, we wouldn´t have this sim or even this forum. Money dude. Oleg, his crew, and ubi guyz gotta eat.

And yes, late model planes(depending on your definition of late model) did make a difference.

I know what you are saying, but sometimes you gotta go with the flow. Such is life.

When I am flying again, I´ll find an early war server and pm you. We´ll either fly together or against each other.

Cool?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


rgr thanks mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Pirschjaeger
02-02-2006, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Pirsch:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Somehow I can´t imagine "gettin´my swerve on" with a B17.
I can. The painted girls look natural on -17, out of place on -24. Never thought of this before. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sometimes you guyz scare me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I prefer women that think a B-17 is a foreign bra size. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

jds1978
02-03-2006, 05:39 AM
romantic in the idealistic sense. (LOL)

WOLFMondo
02-03-2006, 05:42 AM
Originally posted by Siwarrior:
i stil wonder why we need these planes when some of them had little or no effect on the war, are they just making them because they brig people to the game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I want the Tempest, not cause its late war but because I want to fly in 2nd TAF missions in a Tempest, which were some of the most dangerous of the war. I'd like an XIV. Why? Cause its my favorite Spitfire. I'll happily fly early war planes too though.

snafu73
02-03-2006, 09:34 AM
I think it's because we have'nt got them and it's human nature to want something you have'nt got.

A curious thing I've noticed is that since the announcement of the impending release of the Tempest and Spitfire MK.IX 25lbs there seems to be a shift in interest from some online axis flyers towards mid-war planes... I dont know if the two are connected.

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panther3485
02-03-2006, 09:56 AM
Quote:

"I'd like an XIV. Why? Cause its my favorite Spitfire."

Mine too, and I'm hanging out for one!
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Siwarrior, I kind of agree with you in principle, but I reckon Fritz is about right - it's a marketing thing, (with the US being potentially the biggest Western market) and also, it's what gets modelled.

I'd like more of the early-mid WW2 stuff myself, but we get what we get. And what we do get is done pretty well - quality is consistently high IMHO.


Best regards,
panther3485

heywooood
02-03-2006, 10:23 AM
for what its worth - I am looking forward to flying the Pfiel and Jippo's Ju88 and the Tempest and anything else 1c wants to provide me with - whether I have to pay or (even better!) I get it free. COOOL.

Only whiners can find something to whine about something that is handed to them by a well meaning, generous person such as Oleg surely is.

Please continue this entertaining if somewhat rediculous thread.." why do we have to get these planes#@$#@ instead of these planes that I would rather have"???!! l=o=frickin'=l

Boo hoo onwhine babies so worried about some perceived virtual advantage to blue v red or red v blue....hahahaha when all the while they have control over 'planesets' in serverlands.

cygfrain
02-03-2006, 11:19 AM
I tend to fly in arenas dominated by late axis a/c like the dora and occassionally the Me262. It would be good to challenge them in a UK allied a/c such as the Tempest V or Spitfire XIVe.

Also I am interested in the history of the 2nd TAF from D-Day to the end of WW2 and am looking forward to flying in some of the campaigns I'm sure will result from the inclusion of such a/c's as the Tempest and Mosquito.

I enjoy flying in both early and late a/c's but find the tactics and techniques of the later b&z a/c's more interesting and demanding.

I'm grateful to Oleg for providing such a varity of excellent a/c's which allow for almost everybody's taste and requirements.

Rebel_Yell_21
02-03-2006, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by robban75:
Well, for starters, they look really cool! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

...and by cool, he means totally sweet!

carguy_
02-03-2006, 04:21 PM
Well I dunno.I spent like 4 hours flying the really late stuff meaning planes starting from `44.

K4 : 4 sorties
Me262 - 7sorties
G14 - 28 sorties
G10 - 13 sorties
He162 - 0 sorties
Go229 - 0 sorties
Me109Z - 0 sorties
Spit IXc - 2 sorties
P38L - 2 sorties
P51D - 18 sorties
late Zeros - 0 sorties
late Kis - 2 sorties
Dora - 11sorties


Biggest chunk of my sorties are Bf109F2(about90),Bf109F4(about 80),Bf109E7/B(about 60),Me109G6/G6late(about 170) FW190Antons(I don`t prefer FW190 - about 110),P39N1(about 40).


I would like to spend far more time in IARs and Macchis cuz no one ever wants them yet they`re quite good planes.Played some 110G2 very nice bomber hunting sorties too.



Late stuff doesn`t attract me in the least.This isn`t real WWII.LW rulez in late `44/`45,that`s boring.

Stigler_9_JG52
02-03-2006, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Siwarrior:
C'mon guys
really? why do we need late war planes that had no efect on the war when there are better planes out there ie the Swordfish, Ki-60s, Devastor, P-40N/K, that had more effect on the war. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

no one really needs that late war uber stuff unless they wanna fly late war campaigns which i would say is a small percentage

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GREAT question. The truthful answer is, players gravitate towards mostest, fastest, biggest guns, etc., so they can get more kills with less effort. In short, they want the plane to do everything for them.

I find it much more satisfying to fly an average (or sometimes, worse) plane and get some results in it. No, you won't dewing planes with one shot, and no, you'll have to work and sweat and earn your kills, but that's what makes a flight sim fun.

I'm sure the usual arcadists will disagree... but that's their wont. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Siwarrior
02-03-2006, 06:27 PM
Samo Stigler http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Id rather work much harder for a kill then just zoom in and one shot kill with 30 mk108s etc etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif