View Full Version : A# instead of Bb?

Xx El Kino xX
11-02-2011, 08:24 AM
i dont have the game yet, so i've been looking at gameplay videos and noticed that the game uses B flat instead of A#.. is there a way to change it so that it says A#?
edit: when you are doing chords

Pancho X1
11-02-2011, 09:21 AM
now, I don't know a lot about music theory, next to nothing in fact but the way I understand it is that A# and Bb are the same. the names are interchangable but the key of a song would determine which is used. can any musicians out there confirm this or expand on this?

Xx El Kino xX
11-02-2011, 09:36 AM
they ARE they same, it's just that A# is the more common notation, from my experience. I know the notes like this: A, A#, B, C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, and G, G#

11-02-2011, 09:56 AM
Most of my music reading knowledge comes from playing viola in the high school orchestra and that was over 20 years ago now. What PanchoX1 stated should be the same for guitar as well, though.

What is common really depends on the key of the song. For instance a song in the key of G major will typically have a single sharp note (F#), key of D major has 2 sharps (F# and C#), the key of F major has a single flat (Bb), etc.

That being said, I haven't seen where Rocksmith shows the actual note names. Is that in the settings somewhere? I've seen it provide chord names, but not the names of individual notes.

11-02-2011, 10:03 AM
They are not the same. It depends on what key you are in. Read this http://jtauber.com/blog/2006/1...sharp_is_not_b-flat/ (http://jtauber.com/blog/2006/11/17/why_a-sharp_is_not_b-flat/)

Pancho X1
11-02-2011, 10:03 AM
as far as i know, it is only displayed in the game while playing chords.

Pancho X1
11-02-2011, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by LennonVC:
They are not the same. It depends on what key you are in. Read this http://jtauber.com/blog/2006/1...sharp_is_not_b-flat/ (http://jtauber.com/blog/2006/11/17/why_a-sharp_is_not_b-flat/)

I understand the theory in this guys explination but we are talking more simplified I think. More like "you play an A# on the first fret of the 5th string. you play a Bb on the first fret of the 5th string. so they are the "same", even though they are technically not, depending on the key. hope I am making sense.

Xx El Kino xX
11-02-2011, 10:16 AM
yeah i was talking about chords, not individual notes

11-02-2011, 10:22 AM
theory and correctness aside, i think it's just whatever you've gotten used to.

when someone tells me "Bb" i think 5th string 1st fret.

when someone tells me A# I think 6th string 6th fret.

i don't see a way to change what it calls chords in the game.

11-02-2011, 10:28 AM
I think you want the game to show you the right chords for the key you are playing in.

You can refer to the circle of fifths to tell which sharps/flats are in each key, but if you're in a minor key expect to see b flat instead of a sharp.

The circle of fifths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths) does show you which notes are in each key of the major and respective minor scales. G major has an F# but does not have a G flat. It would be really weird for a G major scale to have a G flat, and a G... Since Gmajor has no G flat it also doesn't have a G flat major chord.

11-03-2011, 06:31 AM
There are 12 notes in the chromatic scale which is all the notes in the scale regardless of key.
DigitalPimpSlap pssst. there's no E# (or f flat).
You really just have to get used to the fact that Bb is the same as A#. Any note flatted with be the same as the previous note sharped.
A sharp raises the tone a half step and a flat lowers it a half step. If you flatten a B or sharp an A the sound is the same. If the key signature indicates sharps it's best to call it sharp. If the key signature indicates flats then it's best to call it flat. Any notation, to a great extent will reflect this so get used to it. Since there is no actual scrolling notation in the game it's hard to tell what key it is in until you get a bit of the song down but if they call one thing flat, I would hope they use flats (or sharps) throughout the song and not shift back and forth. Anyway, I doubt it's a flaw in the game. You're going to see it both ways along with any note that can be flatted or sharped. You'll get to the point where it is automatic to just know that the note flatted is the same as the previous note sharped which can be helped if you pursue learning notation. (always recommended but rarely pursued).

Xx El Kino xX
11-03-2011, 06:36 AM
ah okay i see nowhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif oh and DeepDrummer thanks for pointing that out lol i knew that didnt seem right haha