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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 06:30 AM
How many of you actually use the padlock feature to dogfight?

I never use it and I think thats what I need to do to help me out.

I get disoriented pretty quick using it.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 06:30 AM
How many of you actually use the padlock feature to dogfight?

I never use it and I think thats what I need to do to help me out.

I get disoriented pretty quick using it.

Cheers,
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 06:42 AM
-I don't use it either. I didn't even know what it did till I tried a FR server and had no externals on. I found padlock to be disorienting as well, and since I can't see much on my laptop screen anyways, I just don't bother with it. Of course, I fly mostly with the pit off if I can unless I am in my stizuka, which I am used to now in the cockpit.

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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 06:54 AM
Pure pit, no padlock. I've tried it when I read about it in forums. But somehow I found it not natural /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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06-17-2003, 07:03 AM
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 07:38 AM
well .. it makes me airsick .. and i prefer mouse pan in my right and flying left handed anyway .. at least till I get track IR


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06-17-2003, 08:05 AM
Someone posted a track of IR which I downloaded ASAP. Per my pc it looked real skippy but I'm sure that was due to all the 'goings on' that was happening in the track. I get the idea the guy had a total SA of what he could see from his 'bubble' and that sold me!

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06-17-2003, 08:13 AM
LuckyNed wrote:
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XyZspineZyX
06-17-2003, 08:32 AM
don't use padlock unless you also use numpad 0 with it. what you do is padlock an enemy. while he's in front of you, you have a lock on his position at all times. but when he goes past you and isn't in front of you, hold down numpad 0 to look straight again. while you're turning to get him in front of you again, let go numpad 0 a few times just to make sure he's still where you think he is. when he gets in front of you again, let go of numpad 0 completely and he'll be locked on again.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:47 AM
thanks for the tip!

Cheers
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06-18-2003, 02:54 AM
Padlock is much more realistic than trying to pan with the hat switch, I need both hands on to fly thus eliminating the mouse as an option.

The snap front button is key when using PL.

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adlabs6
06-18-2003, 03:42 AM
I don't find a use for padlock. I fly two handed with my HOTAS, using either mouselook on a hat switch, or more likely snap on a hatswitch.

I reach for the mouse when in doubt.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:12 AM
Padlock rocks!

You need 2 buttons on the top of your joystick (keyboard will not do)

padlock enemy
padlock next

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 09:54 AM
What amazes me is all the ppl who swear they don't use padlock altough 90% of the servers on HL is allowing it and they are ussually full /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I use it whenever it is available. I feel more at home without it and I hate padlock when externals are not available. I do not use it with ground attacks.

I use padlock and externals in campaigns because the AI is using team-tactics extensivly on you and I don't trust AI wingmen that much. Besides, with a sky full of planes, it becomes very difficult to keep SA without padlock and externals. It is the icons that spoils it for me.

Anyways, I've got a program that simulates mouse movements with my POV hat so, that increases my SA.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 09:55 AM
I only use Padlock to identify the target as friend or foe on FR servers with no icons that allow padlock and once I have him locked I use the mouse. I place the mouse on the left side of my joystick and operate it with my left hand. I have also viewed the excellent TIR track but to be honest I can do all that the way I have it set up, with the mouse on the left side.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:10 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
- Padlock rocks!
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- You need 2 buttons on the top of your joystick
- (keyboard will not do)
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- padlock enemy
- padlock next

You're right, it's a little awkward at first but after awhile you won't be able to live without it. Having control of your target ID and situational awareness is even more important than firing your weapons IMHO.

FB/Il2 padlock is a little frustrating, as sometimes it will "disengage" when at the edge of your field of view, or if the target is behind a cockpit strut, but a good way that I worked this out is to assign Shift+F1 and FOV+/FOV- to my joystick just to give that much more diversity to the visual field. Now I never lose a target once padlocked.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:37 PM
Here are my padlock secrets.

When I started flying on hyperlobby, a year and a half ago?, I would fly in full real w/padlock servers and i did'nt ever know what padlock was. I would fly around working the number pad and such, what a mess!

Set up the game this way. I have a microsoft precision 2, It has not broke ever.

Padlock enemy - Joy button 8 (this is on the base of the joystick)

Look forward - Hat switch 0 (the position the hat switch is in when you push it straight forward with your thumb)

Look up - Joy button 7



HOw to fly with this:


Set up this way, you fly along. YOu will be able to pan around level with hat switch, you can pan around 45degrees up with the hat switch while the "look up" button on joy 7 is held down, you can look straight up with just the look up button, and you can pan at downward angles with just the hat switch and rolling the plane. Now your whole field of view is covered. While scanning this field of view, like any real fighter pilot would, you hit the padlock enemy button on the base in different positions and you when you find an enemy you will know it because the view will not snap back to center. Scan and fly, take off and land, with the wide "page down view", it is easier to scan more area this way, when you get close to a target hit "end" for closer view of target. I have even hit "delete" and made some long shots with the stuka G-1 at almost a kilometer!

Now in an intense dogfight with an opponent you are getting disoriented and losing track of up and down and flying into the ground and such. Just keep your eyes on the opponent and with practice your peripheal vision will process the info of the cockpit view in relation to the ground and sky and you will automatically compensate. In fact I put the cockpit on even in "wonder woman, no cockpit" servers, how else will you know the attitude of the plane?

When approaching a furball, or mass dogfight and you want to lock onto just one of the opponents do this. You position the plane, the instrument panel,cowl and windscreen bars to block out the planes you do not want to lock onto, padlock will not initially lock on through a part of your plane! It will track through your plane for two seconds before unlocking so you can stay on an opponent when you do a roll, but that is it.

Surely in real life it was disorienting for a novice pilot to keep his eyes on an opponent in a dogfight while the plane flung around in different attitudes during a dogfight. Apparently they got used to it or got dead.

Hope this helps

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 03:57 PM
I use it all the time. You have to due to the fact that no matter how good this sim is, the resolution and the slight head movements a real pilot would make cannot be duplicated. The padlock is an immense help to at least counteract this a little. I was disoriented at first, but the trick is to keep your lift vector centered on the bogey. After a little practice offline, you will not feel disoriented. I think the padlock goes alot to make this sim real in a dogfight.

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 04:50 PM
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is that something to do with a padlock? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



i use padlock quite often, it is almost impossible to keep track of enemy planes without it. in some ways it is realistic as it was obvoiusly much easier for a pilot to follow a plane with his eye than it was for us to do it by taking our hand off the key board and onto the mouse. it is unrealistic as you should not b e able to track a plane when it goes beyond your field of view - like below the cockpit floor etc.
it is hard to get used to but follow the tips above and it should improve your dogfighting no end.

XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 05:12 PM
I use external padlock. No disorientation with this one.