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XyZspineZyX
11-29-2003, 06:56 PM
Hi,

I found this interesting post over on the Netwings forum by Rufus Anderson. ( http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID18/2741.html)
Unfortunately I can't login over there, so I thought I'd put in my 2c over here. (See the original message below.)

First, RAF planes rarely, if ever, carried squadron crests! Towards the end of the war (1945) they became more colourful, but most planes were quite plain. Flip through Bader's "Fight for the sky" or Norman Franks "RAF Fighter Command" for proof. I mention this because the current squadron crests in RC01 look quite unrealistic to me.

I'll mention a few things about Canadian spits, because that's what I know best:

*Many,* although not all Canadian Spits carried a small national insignia just forward of the cockpit; this was a Maple leaf (Red? Green?) in a small white circle. I'm not sure when this cam in (sometime between 1941-43 I think) That's as close to a uniform insignia as you will get. 421 Squadron did carry the "Red Indian" insignia early on though - usually on the lower nose on the left (see Bracken). 416 carried a "lynx" emblem:
http://www.rcaf.com/profiles/aircraftfiles/spitfire_ix.htm

Also, this squadron badge site was posted earlier:
http://www.airforce.forces.ca/hist/403sqn_e.htm

I think these are the modern badges. You might want to check out this:
http://www.rcaf.com/squadrons/400_sqn.html

It's a great site that will also tell you which squadrons flew what. I saw the list of Cdn squadron which is great; but you might want to include 412,414,&430 who flew the Mustang, and 404 & 406 who flew the Beaufighter. there's probably a few more.

Probably the best book is about Cdn spits is "Spitfire: the Canadians" by Robert Bracken. It has many colour plates including the *exceptional* spitfires (i.e. those with individual emblems.) But again - most RCAF/RAF planes were quite plain.

Thanks for your work on this!

P.S. Could be get "weathered" roundrels? the current ones look like big vinyl decals!



Hello all.
Oleg has me running around trying to confirm some stuff for the Expansion. Specifically, this relates to Unit badges carried on all planes of the RAF during the war.

So far the following squadrons have been accounted for:
1 Squadron RCAF/became 402 Sqdn RAF
85 Squadron
The Polish Squadrons 300-309, 315-318.
The Czech Squadrons (310-313)
The Free French squadrons 340, 341 & 345
The Belgian Squadrons 349 & 350
The Yugoslav Squadrons 351 & 352
The Canadian Squadrons (mainly 402 and 421)
The Auxilliary Squadrons 601, 602, 607 and 610.

If you know any not listed AND have an example/know a website where one is/can draw one and send it, please let me know by PM here or by email provided in my profile.

The outcome should appear in the Expansion, but they will be submitted shortly (read this coming week - 1-7 Dec). Currently there are around 200+ squadrons involved.

NOTE: Don't bother with "individual" insignias - only badges worn by the WHOLE SQUADRON are acceptable. And I will check them out as best I can.

Thanks in advance.

Rufus Anderson

XyZspineZyX
11-29-2003, 06:56 PM
Hi,

I found this interesting post over on the Netwings forum by Rufus Anderson. ( http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID18/2741.html)
Unfortunately I can't login over there, so I thought I'd put in my 2c over here. (See the original message below.)

First, RAF planes rarely, if ever, carried squadron crests! Towards the end of the war (1945) they became more colourful, but most planes were quite plain. Flip through Bader's "Fight for the sky" or Norman Franks "RAF Fighter Command" for proof. I mention this because the current squadron crests in RC01 look quite unrealistic to me.

I'll mention a few things about Canadian spits, because that's what I know best:

*Many,* although not all Canadian Spits carried a small national insignia just forward of the cockpit; this was a Maple leaf (Red? Green?) in a small white circle. I'm not sure when this cam in (sometime between 1941-43 I think) That's as close to a uniform insignia as you will get. 421 Squadron did carry the "Red Indian" insignia early on though - usually on the lower nose on the left (see Bracken). 416 carried a "lynx" emblem:
http://www.rcaf.com/profiles/aircraftfiles/spitfire_ix.htm

Also, this squadron badge site was posted earlier:
http://www.airforce.forces.ca/hist/403sqn_e.htm

I think these are the modern badges. You might want to check out this:
http://www.rcaf.com/squadrons/400_sqn.html

It's a great site that will also tell you which squadrons flew what. I saw the list of Cdn squadron which is great; but you might want to include 412,414,&430 who flew the Mustang, and 404 & 406 who flew the Beaufighter. there's probably a few more.

Probably the best book is about Cdn spits is "Spitfire: the Canadians" by Robert Bracken. It has many colour plates including the *exceptional* spitfires (i.e. those with individual emblems.) But again - most RCAF/RAF planes were quite plain.

Thanks for your work on this!

P.S. Could be get "weathered" roundrels? the current ones look like big vinyl decals!



Hello all.
Oleg has me running around trying to confirm some stuff for the Expansion. Specifically, this relates to Unit badges carried on all planes of the RAF during the war.

So far the following squadrons have been accounted for:
1 Squadron RCAF/became 402 Sqdn RAF
85 Squadron
The Polish Squadrons 300-309, 315-318.
The Czech Squadrons (310-313)
The Free French squadrons 340, 341 & 345
The Belgian Squadrons 349 & 350
The Yugoslav Squadrons 351 & 352
The Canadian Squadrons (mainly 402 and 421)
The Auxilliary Squadrons 601, 602, 607 and 610.

If you know any not listed AND have an example/know a website where one is/can draw one and send it, please let me know by PM here or by email provided in my profile.

The outcome should appear in the Expansion, but they will be submitted shortly (read this coming week - 1-7 Dec). Currently there are around 200+ squadrons involved.

NOTE: Don't bother with "individual" insignias - only badges worn by the WHOLE SQUADRON are acceptable. And I will check them out as best I can.

Thanks in advance.

Rufus Anderson