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Feathered_IV
01-02-2007, 03:04 AM
You are patrolling alone, in a Ki27 Otsu just south of Nomonohan. Canopy open, and engine purring nicely. Scattered cloud.

Suddenly - green tracers flying past just beyond your wingtip. Jumped! Full power. Stick right back. You go tearing up into a vertical climb.

A kick of right rudder and you skid slightly, letting you look behind. A I-16 is pulling up after you. Still in the climb, you watch. You can almost see his indecision as he realises he is about to throw away his energy advantage by gambling on one last, lucky shot. Commit or withdraw? the Rata's wings tremble slightly. He's disengaging. Trying to preserve what speed he has left, he pushes the stick forward to go over into a dive. Bad mistake. A negative-gee pushover.

You see his engine quit.

Your speed is falling away now. Close the throttle, full right rudder and you pivot on one wingtip and dive down after him. You catch him up well below 500m. He is in a shallow glide, still desperately trying to restart his engine. You are now in a perfect position, above and behind a steady, slow moving target...

What do you do?
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I don't much care about who started it, or what "they" would do. I want to know what your actions would be.

A few serving suggestions:


#1 Shoot him in the back. It's war.

#2 Go for the engine. It's the plane you want, not the pilot.

#3 See if he gets it restarted. If he does, shoot him down.

#4 Just 'tag' him with a few shots and let him belly in.

#5 Pull up along side him and give a stern message over the free channel,
"Land NOW, or I'll shoot you down!"

Xiolablu3
01-02-2007, 03:21 AM
Shoot him, hes going to try and get that engine started again and shoot you down.

After all he started the engagement.

What I usually do if I am over an enemy airfield and people are taking off, I leave them aalone until they try to attack me, then I see them as a fair target. I would not shoot them if as they are taking off, thats just lame in a game I think.

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Lodovik
01-02-2007, 03:56 AM
In an online war, I'd go for the kill. In a DF arena, hit the engine or saw at his wing.
That's in theory as I'm a lousy shot. Probably I'd just spray'n'pray the target with most of my ammo and see if he goes down one way or the other http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Feathered_IV
01-02-2007, 04:27 AM
I'd be inclined to go for option 5. Even if he managed to restart his engine, he'd be dead meat without any kind of speed advantage. The Ki' would be all over him. I'd try and make him land. If he did it wheels down, I'd probably strafe him to make sure he didn't get off again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
01-02-2007, 05:05 AM
I would take my ki-27 close and let his wing have a little multitude of friendly rounds, not so much to shoot him down, and perhaps not even to disturb his engine-starting work, as much as enjoying the nice effect of bullets hitting the water around a foe. (I-16's have a nice damage model on the wings)
If he kill himself crashing I put the full blame on his flight-instructor. If he makes the belly landing I'd wave my goodbyes and best wishes and go home for a cup of hot sake.

By his action of bunting his Polikarpov he revealed he just had finished flightschool and would not be a threat to me even if he managed to start his engine.

Sometimes a few rounds as a friendly reminder can be really fun, especially if my foe manages to land his crippled plane. (no use saving the track otherwise)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
01-02-2007, 05:06 AM
This is 1v1 and he doesn't have buddies around to watch his back? If yes, cut throttle, line up behind him, look through your deer rifle scope, line up his skull in your cross hairs and pull the trigger till it goes 'click', or his now un-piloted aircraft spirals, crashes and burns.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RCAF_Irish_403
01-02-2007, 05:09 AM
light him up. over and over till he burns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

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FritzGryphon
01-02-2007, 05:24 AM
In the scenario you describe, it'd be very likely the I-16 would restart it's engine. So, I would blast it.

Even if not, I'd still hit it. Not with cannons, though. Though I will shoot defenseless planes for fun, I won't deny my opponent the opportunity to land. Crash landings are fun!

DuxCorvan
01-02-2007, 05:37 AM
#1 Kill him. If not, tomorrow he'll have you, or one of your friends.

At war, pity is as bad mistake as negative G cut-down. Enemy must never have a human face.

rnzoli
01-02-2007, 05:38 AM
Interesting dilemma, the honest answer from me that it all depends on my mood, and my mood is greatly affected by who the pilot is (do I know him maybe?), or how successful I have been up to that time in the mission.

In a similar situation, once I did something similar to #5, but I was afraid to slow down, so I made 3 high speed, but very close passes without firing. This is a surest sign of an opponent having the upper hand. Unfortunately, it didn't work. He landed and I asked him to bail, so that I can shoot up the plane on the ground without killing him. Didn't bail and in 3 passes I blew the plane up, killing the pilot. All this time, I was nervously watching my back, expecting other enemies called in to help him.

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leitmotiv
01-02-2007, 05:47 AM
The nice thing about off-line is that personalities do not enter into it---if you are a benevolent type, you try to destroy the machine; if you are a bloody-minded swine who can't even spell ethics let alone practice it, you try to KO the cringing I-16 pilot with your two pathetic Japanese Brownings. I tend to belong to the Moggy Cattermole School of airfighting---cry havoc!!!! P.S. I am now siding with those who believe the Ki-27 is wayyyy too durable. I just finished a bracing off-line brawl against some with an I-153 and was chagrined to see three survive sustained riddling from my four magnificent Sov light machine guns. Ki-43s or A6Ms would have been blazing after such service. A few days ago I allowed a Poli to riddle my Otsu for more than half a minute---I finally blew up.

CUJO_1970
01-02-2007, 06:30 AM
Go ahead and blaze away at the Poli.

It wont matter.

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tigertalon
01-02-2007, 10:18 AM
If it was over friendly territory, I'd fly along, salute him, and inform ground base of the location of incident (giving the pilot a chance to get away on foot). If it was over enemy territory, I'd signal him to bail out or ditch. If he'd ditch, I'd set the plane on fire. If he refused to bail/ditch, I'd shoot him down.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Orheim
01-02-2007, 10:21 AM
It it was for real: Take him down: ergo nr one!

If it is in a sim Take him down: ergo nr one!

Rule nr one in war, no matter if it is for real or simulated, if you don't take him down, he will take YOU down.

I see no reason whatsoever to choose any other alternative than nr 1.


Either way, he made his point clear when he took a shot at you, and you can't afford to gamble that he will suddenly go pacifist.

Also chances e are that he manage to start up his engine, and you foul up, missing him and make a mistake like overshooting him. When you have him on your six again blazing away, I think you regret that you didn't get him when you had the chance. Dont overestimate your skills, he might be ten times the pilot you are.

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leitmotiv
01-02-2007, 10:34 AM
Absolutely. Being nice is, without doubt a luxury of virtual warring. When someone is out to kill you in earnest it is amazing how fast adrenalin extinguishes mercy. Even in a game, if I am pushed to the limit by an opponent, I do not feel kindly. The stress brings out the killer instinct. As former American soldiers who served in Vietnam observed: stopping men from killing after a hard fight is extremely hard. Atrocities are usually the result of people driven mad by hard combat. This has been true since Achilles dragged Hector's body behind a chariot. War is Hell.

F19_Orheim
01-02-2007, 10:40 AM
Well war is war... is sux, but when in it your responibility towards yourself is to stay alive.

It's better not to start a war altogether - loads of better options - definately the last resort, but if it starts most times that is not up to you.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fighter_966
01-02-2007, 10:44 AM
I would first shoot him down then if he manages to jump Id would fly pass and make some finger language or faces at him http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

msalama
01-02-2007, 10:46 AM
one of the pluses of our hobby is that no-one really dies

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01-02-2007, 10:52 AM
I'd fill his plane with holes as soon as I could line up a shot. The fact that he made a stupid mistake doesn't entitle him to a second chance.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Viper2005_
01-02-2007, 10:58 AM
I'd kill him as quickly as possible and go home!

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