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woofiedog
09-09-2005, 07:38 AM
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/GasPrices.jpg

BSS_Goat
09-09-2005, 07:46 AM
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BSS_CUDA
09-09-2005, 08:20 AM
heh now thats funny

P.S. Goat where ya been havent seen ya on comms in a while, been missing shootin ya down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_Goat
09-09-2005, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by BSS_CUDA:

P.S. Goat where ya been havent seen ya on comms in a while, been missing shootin ya down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yeah it has been a while. My connection at home is fecked. (Remodeling and moving kids around) Been playing offline lately. Hope to see ya'll soon.

Owlsphone
09-09-2005, 08:55 AM
Heh. I like this one too.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Owlsphone/gas-prices.jpg

carguy_
09-09-2005, 09:02 AM
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woofiedog
09-09-2005, 12:21 PM
Owlsphone... Good One! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG52Uther
09-09-2005, 12:51 PM
Oh you guys dont realise how lucky you are.In the UK now its 1.00 a liter (about $1.84 i think) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

VF-29_Sandman
09-09-2005, 12:53 PM
we'd kill if it was just 1.84 a gallon here......ahhhh the good ol days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

SlickStick
09-09-2005, 01:19 PM
Great pics!!!

Rgrt, Sandman. I paid $3.09 a gallon this morning. The prices better not linger up there much longer. Especially, since production has been increased to offset the price hiking.

Many gas stations have been gouging and changing prices more than once a day, which is against the law. They are always quick to go up, but soooooo slow to come down.

p1ngu666
09-09-2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
we'd kill if it was just 1.84 a gallon here......ahhhh the good ol days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

1 US gallon = 3.7854118 litre

do some simple maths..

woofiedog
09-09-2005, 01:37 PM
At $1.84 per liter... about $6.99 a gal. That hurts

We have been about 3.18 - 3.28 around here... My wife and I have been driving the Hybrid alot more lately. It's still breaking though... it's up to about 28.4 mpg and still climbing.

SlickStick
09-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VF-29_Sandman:
we'd kill if it was just 1.84 a gallon here......ahhhh the good ol days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

1 US gallon = 3.7854118 litre

do some simple maths.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oops, copy that. I missed the litre part.

3.79l x 1.84USD = $6.97 a gallon!!!!!!

I take my meager $3.09USD bid back, you guys in the UK do have it bad.

(edit)I had to edit what I just posted. I made an insensitive reference and although there was no malicious attempt, it was not appropriate to make reference to something, in light of the recent incidents.

My apologies as it was not intentional.

JunkoIfurita
09-09-2005, 05:49 PM
We're up to about $1.20-$1.50 Australian here in Brisbane too.

Really makes me glad I live in a crappy, central city apartment. I get to walk everywhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW what's up with THREE grades of petroleum? Unleaded, Plus and Premium?

I'm guessing Unleaded is a really terrible, doped up grade that ruins your engine. Plus is standard unleaded and Premium is the slightly better stuff.

Time to start building a Solar powered car for the summer again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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SlickStick
09-09-2005, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
BTW what's up with THREE grades of petroleum? Unleaded, Plus and Premium?

Generally, Regular Unleaded is the lowest octane, approx. 86, then Plus is slightly better and Premium is the highest octane.

We have Sunoco Ultra which is 94 octane available as well. As I am in an early 90's Eclipse, I run regular unleaded. Unfortunately, my car would probably runa little cleaner on Premium, but I'm not spending for it now. Maybe, when I get my new car. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ankanor
09-09-2005, 06:20 PM
1.5 Euro per liter in Germany, that's close to 1.95$ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif if it goes that way, well, we'll be back to walking, cycling and animal riding really soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Edit: Now I see why you have it so cheap... Unleaded at 86 Octane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Just like the Me109

berg417448
09-09-2005, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:


BTW what's up with THREE grades of petroleum? Unleaded, Plus and Premium?

I'm guessing Unleaded is a really terrible, doped up grade that ruins your engine. Plus is standard unleaded and Premium is the slightly better stuff.



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From the US Federal Trade Commision site:

"...regular (usually 87 octane), mid-grade (usually 89 octane) and premium (usually 92 or 93). The ratings must be posted on bright yellow stickers on each gasoline pump."



Most US cars run just fine on regular, however I've noticed an increasing trend in recent years to build engines that require premium fuel. Wouldn't want one myself...just throwing away money.

SlickStick
09-09-2005, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Ankanor:
Edit: Now I see why you have it so cheap... Unleaded at 86 Octane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Just like the Me109

LOL!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW - what is the octane of the fuel you are buying?

griego
09-09-2005, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Oh you guys dont realise how lucky you are.In the UK now its 1.00 a liter (about $1.84 i think) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

ya, ya, ya, how far do you drive to work 2km. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

griego
09-09-2005, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
We're up to about $1.20-$1.50 Australian here in Brisbane too.

Really makes me glad I live in a crappy, central city apartment. I get to walk everywhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW what's up with THREE grades of petroleum? Unleaded, Plus and Premium?

I'm guessing Unleaded is a really terrible, doped up grade that ruins your engine. Plus is standard unleaded and Premium is the slightly better stuff.

Time to start building a Solar powered car for the summer again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Na, there really all the same stuff. They just market them that way to make more money.

There really isn't much difference between
86oct and 91oct. now if premium was 96 that would make a difference.

In New Mexico :
regular unleaded is 86oct
plus unleaded is 89oct
premium unleaded is 91oct
most places. Haven't seen anything higher than
91oct in a while.
May be becuase i don't look for premium fuel.
even though i have a mustang GT. It runs fine
on 86oct.

Enforcer572005
09-09-2005, 07:07 PM
thats why i got me a blasted bicycle....though tis a bit rough when i ride the backroads from town to my parents house...11 miles. I think ive found every hill in Rome GA., and there are a heck of a lot more than 7 of em.

I think at 48 Im a little too old to be peddling everywhere, but until i can afford one of those neat little motorscooters i see everywhre, i got no choice. Not paying this highway robbery (hey, thats real appropriate isnt it?).

berg417448
09-09-2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
thats why i got me a blasted bicycle....though tis a bit rough when i ride the backroads from town to my parents house...11 miles. I think ive found every hill in Rome GA., and there are a heck of a lot more than 7 of em.



You've got some nice roads for cycling down there in Rome. I did a metric ride there back in May and thoroughly enjoyed it.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
09-09-2005, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by griego:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Oh you guys dont realise how lucky you are.In the UK now its 1.00 a liter (about $1.84 i think) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

ya, ya, ya, how far do you drive to work 2km. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL yes i dont own a car and have to cycle 2km to work...advantage of living in a small country
saves me tons of money on cars, insurences and gas http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
i believe we are up to "1.54/litre over here in the Netherlands http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
we have the second highest gas price in the world http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

if i have to go further away from home there is always public transit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ImpStarDuece
09-09-2005, 08:36 PM
I joined the bicycle crowd about 3 years ago.

I bought a $600 Norco mountain bike http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif and ride it to and from work about 4 times a week. It's just over 11 kilometers each way and I do over a kilometer of vertical climb on both sides of the ride.

When I lived in Japan I had a little 50cc Yamaha scooter that would set me back about 500yen (thats about $5 US) for a tank of petrol.

Hopefully the age of the 4-whell drive, pertol guzzling monster is coming to an end. In some cities in Japan part of the business districts/main urban centres, are served exclusively by public transport. I lived in Tokyo for a month and used public transport and bicycles exclusively. In fact, one of my prerequisites in looking for a new job is that it is under 15km from my house, so that my transport time is less than 45 minutes.

EmbarkChief
09-09-2005, 08:39 PM
You can run just about any car on 87 (what it is around here) but you will not see optimum performance on it in some vehicles. Your compression ratio is a big factor in what grade of gas you should run. If you are running forced induction (turbo, supercharger) you WILL run premium (93 round here) to prevent detonation. One thing to keep in mind, if your car only requires 87 octane you are throwning money away putting premium in it.

Oilburner_TAW
09-09-2005, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by griego:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
We're up to about $1.20-$1.50 Australian here in Brisbane too.

Really makes me glad I live in a crappy, central city apartment. I get to walk everywhere http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW what's up with THREE grades of petroleum? Unleaded, Plus and Premium?

I'm guessing Unleaded is a really terrible, doped up grade that ruins your engine. Plus is standard unleaded and Premium is the slightly better stuff.

Time to start building a Solar powered car for the summer again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Na, there really all the same stuff. They just market them that way to make more money.

There really isn't much difference between
86oct and 91oct. now if premium was 96 that would make a difference.

In New Mexico :
regular unleaded is 86oct
plus unleaded is 89oct
premium unleaded is 91oct
most places. Haven't seen anything higher than
91oct in a while.
May be becuase i don't look for premium fuel.
even though i have a mustang GT. It runs fine
on 86oct. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's adjusted for altitude.

thank goodness diesel is coming back down...

Ankanor
09-10-2005, 04:53 AM
Originally posted by SlickStick:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ankanor:
Edit: Now I see why you have it so cheap... Unleaded at 86 Octane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Just like the Me109

LOL!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW - what is the octane of the fuel you are buying? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thankfully I'm on diesel, but the regular type here is 98 octane. Shell offer 100 octane V-power. An Interesting article: Gas prices too high? Try Europe. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/oeurogas;_ylt=AiTSqTlgqv785DcgL.inpnMDW7oF;_ylu=X3 oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl)

bird_brain
09-10-2005, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by griego:
May be becuase i don't look for premium fuel.
even though i have a mustang GT. It runs fine
on 86oct.
If you have a newer model, the GT is actually programmed for regular octane gas. If you run premium in it, you will get bad gas milage & risk engine detonation @ high rpm. You can flash the chip to retune it for higher octane, and you will actually raise the horsepower by about 10. It has to do with changing the air/fuel mixture for best detonation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

The Cobra is tuned for premium and you aren't supposed to put anything under 93 octane in it or you get valve rattle and fouled plugs. Probably not worth it these days and it might be a good idea to retune it to run regular. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Maple_Tiger
09-10-2005, 06:10 AM
Omg Wolfie, I think you have finaly lost it.

Bloody funnny though lol.

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WarWolfe_1
09-10-2005, 07:03 AM
Limeys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Originally posted by woofiedog:
At $1.84 per liter... about $6.99 a gal. That hurts

We have been about 3.18 - 3.28 around here... My wife and I have been driving the Hybrid alot more lately. It's still breaking though... it's up to about 28.4 mpg and still climbing.

J/K

Wish I could ride a bike to work, at nearly 20miles though I'd have to leave the house at 3 to be at work at 7, if I averaged 5 miles an hour. With all the hills here I might as well be riding in the Alps.

SlickStick
09-10-2005, 08:36 AM
At $6.99 a gallon, I'd be working just to put gas in my car for the commute. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif I travel about 60 miles each way.

I see Europe's octane for regular and premium is higher than here. One thing that would be nice in the USA is if we had as good a mass transit system as Europe does. Only our larger cities have subways and many bus and train routes. Allot of states don't have as extensive a system and most have to drive where they are going.

Aaron_GT
09-10-2005, 09:41 AM
SlickStick,

There's also something to be said for more teleworking. There are groups of workers that could work from home half the week and come in mostly for meetings. With hotdesking for workers that come in intermittently, plus meeting rooms and space for the CEO a company could probably get by with half the office space and the workers would get more flexible working conditions, ideally, to pick up kids from day care and the like. I think pepple would get cabin fever if they had to work from home all the time, and even with the latest in video conferencing I think there is a lot to be said for face-to-face meetings, so having a team spread across the whole world isn't always the easiet thing to control. Some people like to go and work in an actual office, though (so they can avoid having to pick up the kids from daycare!), so you still need some desking.

Every now and then I have things I need to do and find working from home is more efficient. Other days working from the office is more efficient.

SlickStick
09-10-2005, 10:39 AM
Hmmm, good idea. I need to set-up a couple of days to work from home....http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

horseback
09-10-2005, 10:54 AM
Here in the US, a large chunk of the gasoline/petrol price is actually state and federal taxes (I think it borders on 30-40% of your per-gallon cost). Here in San Diego (also known as LoCal in order to differentiate us from the Los Angeles SoCal), we're finally paying less than the East Coast, at $2.96 per gallon for regular unleaded. Traditionally, we've been about $0.20-35 higher than most of the rest of the country, and about $0.10 higher than most of California.

This tax money that they take from fuel sales is then diverted into mass transit boondoggles that no sensible person would want to use, instead of into the maintenance or improvement of the roads and highways. In my case, I'm about 2 & 1/2 miles or 4 km from my workplace, but I also have to work on a project at another facility 20 miles away most days. Taking the local Trolley/bus mishmash provided by the Powers That Be, it's three and one half hours in each direction, and it costs me about $4.50 (and I have to walk a total of over 800m between trolley/bus stops and my office area, lugging a laptop and about 25 lbs (11kg) of Confidential materials + my lunch). On summer days this can make me a bit more aromatic than my coworkers deserve...

If I take mass transit, my employer will compensate me for the ticket, but not for my time, my productivity declines and my work day stretches to over 18 hours.

If I take my trusty pickup, it takes between 25 minutes and an hour, depending on traffic/time of day, and I get paid for my time plus mileage, approximately $15.00 for a round trip, which consumes less than two gallons of regular. (I usually submit my mileage expense report once a month, and spend it on acquiring parts for a new 64 bit SLi computer)

Guess which choice I make?

My point is that until government bureaucrats get a clue and make mass transit convenient instead of stealing our money and trying to make private vehicles inconvenient, most Americans (especially those of us west of the Rockies) will choose our own cars to get around.

From my few brief visits to modern Europe, it appears that in this sense at least, their government employees understand this principle and actually put it into practice. The fact that the residential areas seem to be clearly differentiated from the business and industrial areas certainly helps.

In any case, do our European and Asian friends know how much of their fuel cost is actually taxes? The actual 'cost' of the fuel itself may turn out to be amazingly similar to our own; the real difference is in the cost of government.

cheers

horseback

Aaron_GT
09-10-2005, 01:16 PM
My point is that until government bureaucrats get a clue and make mass transit convenient

I agree that making mass transport more convenient would be helpful. It isn't always a case of the government being the problem as private companies are also perfectly capable of making public transport a complete PITA to use. The thing is it takes a lot of money to put in public transport systems that are useful (e.g. Paris Metro). The revenues that can be charged and still have people use it are relatively small compared to the capital costs so that means they don't tend to be attractive to private business without massive public funding, so the public has to pay for those capital costs, pretty much. And the money has to come from somewhere. A tax on fuel's an obvious one, since you can sort of justify a tax on transport of a kind you want to discourage to be spent on a transport of a kind you want to encourage.


From my few brief visits to modern Europe, it appears that in this sense at least, their government employees understand this principle and actually put it into practice.


But a lot of this is financed by high fuel taxes which you object to! One of the countries with the perhaps the best integrated public transport system is the Netherlands, which has one of the highest levels of tax on fuel.

With regard to UK fuel costs, the fuel portion is pretty similar to that of the USA, even though it is an oil exporter.

horseback
09-10-2005, 06:38 PM
But a lot of this is financed by high fuel taxes which you object to!
What I object to is the gross mismanagement of public transportation funds that we routinely see here. If we actually got anything for our money, we'd either have an effective mass transit system, better roads, or possibly both. We are talking about literally hundreds of billions of dollars in gasoline tax revenue over the last twenty years in my community alone.

Instead, most of us are convinced that the real traffic engineers and 'public servants' we had some thirty years ago have been replaced by Stalinist bureaucrats who would rather punish us for not using a grossly exotic, expensive and inefficient transit system than do what we pay them to do: build better and safer roads, promote efficient traffic flow, and plan a reasonable mass transit system that goes back and forth between where people live and where people work.

Just yesterday, I was nearly run into the oncoming lane by an enormous air conditioned 80 passenger Metropolitan Transit Sytem bus that has probably never been more than half full. The obese slug in the driver's seat probably never gave a moment's thought to the possibility that her activating her turn signal might not make the vehicles beside her automatically disappear. The driver's attitude was typical of public employees who think that they are untouchable.

cheers

horseback

TAGERT.
09-10-2005, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by woofiedog:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/GasPrices.jpg ROTFL!

Use to be an old hippy pot head saying..

Nobody rides for free.. Gas Grass or A**

Now those yuppies simply say

Nobody rides for free.. Gas Gas or Gas

Badsight.
09-10-2005, 07:21 PM
Petrol prices are never going to go down

look foward to paying more & more

theres a finite supply & they have already sucked out of the ground all the easy-to-get oil (back in the early nineties). which we have burned & used to put our shopping in already - all plastic comes from oil , & i dont know about you but every business ive ever worked for has wasted plastic unbelieveably

the "economical" supply's left in the ground are predicted to last no longer than 2015

after that petrol becomes ludicrously out of the average joes price range

all the people i talk about this - my freinds & workmates - are asleep it seems to the actual situation

there is nothing ready to take over from fossil fuels that provides the same energy

its ok - that alarm is just the wake-up call

Aaron_GT
09-11-2005, 12:59 AM
What I object to is the gross mismanagement of public transportation funds that we routinely see here.

That's pretty much indepdent of where the revenue comes from, though, or the quality of the bus drivers. There are plenty of private companies that can't manage public transport either (see the performance of Virgin Trains in the UK as evidence). If there is mismanagment it might be a product of trends in transport management in general (private or public) or business management trends in general. There seems to be a lot of the latter in operation which makes me wonder if the MBA qualification is actually a damaging thing for the ecomomy!

Aaron_GT
09-11-2005, 01:03 AM
all plastic comes from oil

It is possible to manufacture things which are functionally the same as plastic from things like corn oil or coal. It's not as easy. The best idea is to stop grossly overpackaging things, though. Back in the 1990s there seemed to be a trend away from grossly overpackaging things in plastic but those overpackaged days seem to be on the way back. There are plenty
of things that are made out of plastic now that
could be made out of wood or metal. Maybe in
20 years time in our super-efficient solar
powered cars we'll have lovely wood fascias
like cars of old.

FritzGryphon
09-11-2005, 01:44 AM
Plastic made out of corn has the bonus of being more biodegradable.

Imagine, no years-old slurpee cup fragments littered everywhere.

Aaron_GT
09-11-2005, 02:13 AM
It might take more energy to make plastic from corn, but then if non-oil sources can be used (clean coal, nuclear, solar, hydro, geothermal) then at least it saves oil. Perhaps a more important development might be the development of biological or nanotechnologies to do the conversion to plastics with lower energy inputs (as long as we don't end up with nanobots going around and turning all the corn in the world into plastic! :-))

In any case for cars they could do with being light but strong (like aircraft) as the primary purpose of a car should be moving a person from A to B, but at the moment it has to move a lot of car too, so in the strict definition of transporting people it's relatively inefficient. Some people need to occasionally haul lots of stuff around too, but that always seemed to me to be an argument for a trailer rather than an SUV unless you always have to haul around a lot of stuff.