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12-30-2003, 07:54 AM

12-30-2003, 07:54 AM

12-30-2003, 08:11 AM
i wub my saitek but its not ff
mines the 3D version
can only get it in gold now, but 20quid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

12-30-2003, 08:15 AM
you forget Logitech http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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12-30-2003, 08:35 AM



12-30-2003, 09:22 AM
I would vote for the MSFFB...the only thing is yoiu wont find one.....and if you do find one anywhere get it because thwy are going fast. MS is out of the stick business. I have my original 2.5 yr old FFB stick and irt is still going strong.

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12-30-2003, 09:47 AM
I have a brand new Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, bought to replace a 3-year old Saitek Cyborg 3D.

I wish I'd been able to find another Cyborg in retail in San Francisco, but it works. The Saitek EVO looks like a fragile toy in comparison to the old stick. And for the money, if Im gonna buy something tht looks fragile, I'm not spending more money on it than the $35 I paid for the Logitech.

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12-30-2003, 10:12 AM
Logitech has been left off for good reason I believe. There were a bunch of posts made less than 3 weeks ago in two seperate threads by me and other pilots about the complete unreliability of recent Logitech products; especially the $35 Extreme Digital Pro. U can look em up, all I'll repeat is if you don't mind having to replug your stick to recalibrate every 15-20 min (in the middle of flights) then go ahead. But i wish I hadn't

12-30-2003, 10:18 AM
I second Bearcats recommendation, if you can find a MSFFB2 stick buy it ASAP.


12-30-2003, 10:32 AM
I have a MSFFB2, but I voted for the Saitek for the simple reason of the MS's tendency to flop with not centering strength. If a game that uses a joystick doesn't support FFB, then there's no centering, and the stick just flops about. Even when I just have the FFB turned off (like in the middle of the night when my roommate is sleeping), it's the same thing.

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12-30-2003, 10:44 AM
I have the MS FFB2 stick and I love it. But I haven't tried the Cyborg one. Anyone who has used both could you explain any differences in how they feel and how their force feedback works? I'm not asking about reliability or number of buttons etc, just how the force feedback works is implemented in both.


12-30-2003, 11:45 AM
saitek cyborg evo


12-30-2003, 11:53 AM
I have a Logitech Extreme 3d Pro and I'm happy with it. I find the rudder pivot is a little sensitive but if anything having it has made me better than not having an integrated rudder control of some sort. Before this I was using a Logitech Wingman Attack 2, and except for the lack of a hat switch and rudder control, it was a good stick with a nice feel to it. I haven't had any problems with either and would recommend them to anyone. Relatively inexpensive too.

12-30-2003, 01:16 PM
I voted MS Sidewinder 2 Force Feedback because i had this joystick since 2 year ago when i first bought il2 sturmovik and it had have no problem since.

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12-30-2003, 03:28 PM
I have the cyborg FF, and I dearly love it. Almost a year now, and not a problem in the world. At this point my Logitech was already loose

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10-22-2004, 03:00 PM
I've had three Logitech joysticks over the last year and a half and all of them had the problems described by others in this forum, right turn action suddenly works about 4o% and i have to quit and reset every 10 minutes. I did not know about this issue until i started researching it after my third stick started doing the same thing about a month afetr i bought it. Today i bought a Cyborg Evo and i am just getting ready to try it out....wish me luck, and Logitech can kiss my *** for getting that much money from me.

10-22-2004, 03:26 PM
well, my logitech 3d pro has motivated me to save save save, I ordered CH flightstick last week, should be here after the weekend. I've just had too many problems with it, from calibration to buttons sticking to unproportional response. It's the last logitech product I'll buy for a long time if I have any choice. In the end you get what you pay for...

10-22-2004, 05:05 PM
I recently decided to change sticks after my aging Thrustmaster FoxPro 2 gave up the ghost. I went through three Logitech Extreme 3Ds - all defective, before stepping up to a Saitek X45. There's a learning curve on this stick - separate throttle - no twist rudder - but now that I've got it programmed to my taste and have gotten used to the rudder rocker on the throttle - I'd never go back. I can fly totally off-keyboard and the sense of immersion has increased dramatically. I also added a Track IR3 Pro and I think they should pass a law requiring this piece of kit be included with every flight sim purchase - it literally transforms the experience.

10-22-2004, 06:14 PM
Get a set of CH pedals and be thrilled even more...

10-22-2004, 07:45 PM
I'm giving it serious thought. I assume you use them yourself?

10-22-2004, 08:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tallyho1961:
I'm giving it serious thought. I assume you use them yourself? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apologies for butting in but I've been using the CH pedals (they nice) and will soon trash the Logitec stick for a CH Combat stick.

10-23-2004, 05:26 AM
CH Fighterstick....when you absolutely,positively need the BEST. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

10-23-2004, 06:17 AM
there can be only one . . . .

the Saitek X-52


10-23-2004, 08:43 AM
Cougar HOTAS and CH Pro(gameport) pedals. I've had Saiteks and Logitechs but you can do so much more with the Cougar. Had it a year now and it works great.

You should also concider a Tracker IR if you don't have one already.

10-23-2004, 09:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snoop_Baron:
I have the MS FFB2 stick and I love it. But I haven't tried the Cyborg one. Anyone who has used both could you explain any differences in how they feel and how their force feedback works? I'm not asking about reliability or number of buttons etc, just how the force feedback works is implemented in both.


I used MS FF for about 3 years until it gave up the ghost 2 months ago, and since MS FF sticks are not available anymore in my home country I bought the Cyborg to replace it. Both are very similar regarding to force feedback and other features, but there is on thing I always hated about the MS stick that is not present in the Cyborg. If you took your hand off the MS stick it slumped into any direction instead of staying centered, on the Cyborg you have to unplug the AC adapter for that to happen http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

10-23-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hrannar:
...and since MS FF sticks are not available anymore in my home country... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

...or anywhere else, Microsoft stopped making joysticks.

han freak solo
10-26-2004, 10:26 AM
Ever drive a 1970s era Ford or Mercury?

That's what my Microsoft Sidewinder Stick is like. Sloppy in the center regions.

But, I'm used to it, just like driving that old Ford or Mercury with the worn out steering coupler.

10-26-2004, 12:23 PM
I had Logitech Extreme Digital Pro and liked it, I think it feels better than Saitek ones.

All I can say - if you really like it (I did) buy it in BestBuy and get 2 years warranty. Two of mine went spiking bad in 6 and 8 month. BestBuy replaced them for free w/o any questions.

Couple weeks ago I got X-45 from them for ~35$ extra and now I am going through a very painfull process of learning to "fly" again.

10-26-2004, 02:31 PM
The Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterbuner Force Feedback is a good joystick too.