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Esel1964
10-29-2008, 06:29 PM
Go on over to Mythbusters forum (http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9551919888/m/2891934989) and visit or post a comment on a thread I just started,on the .50 cal vs tank subject.Maybe if they see enough interest,they'll do a piece on it.
Just a thought.

It's under "Historical Facts"-".50 cal...".

Home Site:
http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/mythbusters.html

Divine-Wind
10-29-2008, 06:53 PM
.50 cal won teh war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I hope they at least look at this. Mythbusters is one of my favorite shows on Discovery, and anytime they mess with guns it's just awesomely ridiculous.

WTE_Galway
10-29-2008, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
.50 cal won teh war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I hope they at least look at this. Mythbusters is one of my favorite shows on Discovery, and anytime they mess with guns it's just awesomely ridiculous.

They would not need an aircraft, or a tiger tank, or a tank at all, just an appropriate thickness steel plate and a 0.50 cal weapon of some type.

The aircraft is not needed because the extra velocity imparted by a diving plane is in the order of 100 m/s and the extra velocity from height is even more negligible.

In fact for an initial trial you could even use mild steel instead of armor plate. Because if low angle of incidence 0.50 cal does not penetrate mild steel there would be little point going to the trouble of trying it with armor plate.

To be honest you do not even need mythbusters. Any one with access to a 0.50 cal weapon, live ammunition and some steel plate could test the theory out.

badatit
10-29-2008, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
They would not need an aircraft, or a tiger tank, or a tank at all, just an appropriate thickness steel plate and a 0.50 cal weapon of some type.

The aircraft is not needed because the extra velocity imparted by a diving plane is in the order of 100 m/s and the extra velocity from height is even more negligible.

In fact for an initial trial you could even use mild steel instead of armor plate. Because if low angle of incidence 0.50 cal does not penetrate mild steel there would be little point going to the trouble of trying it with armor plate.

To be honest you do not even need mythbusters. Any one with access to a 0.50 cal weapon, live ammunition and some steel plate could test the theory out.
Already been done. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
Myth busted! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif
LINK. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_F_EsWk_s) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Skoshi Tiger
10-29-2008, 08:54 PM
I've always wondered why every time I've seen a video or picture of some one firing a .50cal rifle, they're never smiling or looking like they're enjoying the event.

Now I know why!

M_Gunz
10-29-2008, 09:07 PM
Might as well change the thread title:

If you beat a dead horse long enough, will it get up and run?

ADD: OMG, the Legend of The Zoo spreads:


I fly flight sims,and my favorite is IL-2 Sturmovik.I regularly visit the forums and there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank.

The Tigers often towed a fuel tank,and I do believe they could be easily knocked out.Or even knock a track off.Many believe a strafing plane (armed with .50 cals) could bounce rounds off a road and into the bottom of the tank.The thickness of Tiger armor varied from 120mm,down to 25mm,on the bottom.

While a .50 cal. rifle will pierce 25mm(1 in.),at a perpendicular angle;but,personally I think there would be too much energy loss from hitting the road,plus it would be hitting at an
oblique angle,further reducing impact.


WHY go out elsewhere on the forum and present this nonsense as having credibility here?
You might as well post: Hey out there! If you play IL2 then you're probably a ****** as well!

Xiolablu3
10-29-2008, 09:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

DrHerb
10-29-2008, 09:29 PM
Esel, they shot your thread down man!!!!

Divine-Wind
10-29-2008, 09:43 PM
Well anyways... Back to learning Blender...

R_Target
10-29-2008, 11:32 PM
I was watching a show about the Normandy campaign a couple of weeks ago, and a tanker from 21st Panzer said that they crawled under their tank when attacked by planes.

He also opined that it was very disheartening to see four or five tanks destroyed in front of his eyes while they had no air protection of any kind.

Esel1964
10-30-2008, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Might as well change the thread title:

If you beat a dead horse long enough, will it get up and run?

ADD: OMG, the Legend of The Zoo spreads:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I fly flight sims,and my favorite is IL-2 Sturmovik.I regularly visit the forums and there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank.

The Tigers often towed a fuel tank,and I do believe they could be easily knocked out.Or even knock a track off.Many believe a strafing plane (armed with .50 cals) could bounce rounds off a road and into the bottom of the tank.The thickness of Tiger armor varied from 120mm,down to 25mm,on the bottom.

While a .50 cal. rifle will pierce 25mm(1 in.),at a perpendicular angle;but,personally I think there would be too much energy loss from hitting the road,plus it would be hitting at an
oblique angle,further reducing impact.


WHY go out elsewhere on the forum and present this nonsense as having credibility here?
You might as well post: Hey out there! If you play IL2 then you're probably a ****** as well! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The horse wasn't dead,merely napping!
Take your arguments up with the fighter pilot that made the remarks in the video,anyway.

As for the remarks:
"WHY go out elsewhere on the forum and present this nonsense as having credibility here?"
I said:"It's been a "huge argument" here,so does that mean you deny it's a long-standing subject here?
I never said it had 'credibility' here,I stated the above,and was merely trying to get more visitors over there,so they'd hopefully do a piece on it,eventhough I know the outcome already.I'd kinda like to see them do it,and how they set up the replication-that's all I had in mind.

"You might as well post: Hey out there! If you play IL2 then you're probably a ****** as well!"

Are you really that insecure,that something so trivial bothers you to that point.And I think you need to consider the many far more a$$inine remarks that've been made all over this forum,before you try jumping down my throat.Besides,I was saying it couldn't happen,not arguing the opposite.

If anybody makes the forum look bad,it's your remarks making us look like a bunch of 'combative A-holes that can't get along'.We're supposed to have something in common(IL-2),that makes us want to be helpful and friendly,not trying to argue everything-if that's what you're after-a political blog can provide you an outlet for the desire to argue.

Esel1964
10-30-2008, 12:21 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I thought more was expected of mods,than ROFLMAO at the remarks that truly make us look bad-as if it were possible to make us look worse than the years of dumb remarks that're occasionally posted.

M_Gunz
10-30-2008, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Might as well change the thread title:

If you beat a dead horse long enough, will it get up and run?

ADD: OMG, the Legend of The Zoo spreads:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I fly flight sims,and my favorite is IL-2 Sturmovik.I regularly visit the forums and there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank.

The Tigers often towed a fuel tank,and I do believe they could be easily knocked out.Or even knock a track off.Many believe a strafing plane (armed with .50 cals) could bounce rounds off a road and into the bottom of the tank.The thickness of Tiger armor varied from 120mm,down to 25mm,on the bottom.

While a .50 cal. rifle will pierce 25mm(1 in.),at a perpendicular angle;but,personally I think there would be too much energy loss from hitting the road,plus it would be hitting at an
oblique angle,further reducing impact.


WHY go out elsewhere on the forum and present this nonsense as having credibility here?
You might as well post: Hey out there! If you play IL2 then you're probably a ****** as well! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The horse wasn't dead,merely napping!
Take your arguments up with the fighter pilot that made the remarks in the video,anyway.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What a bunch of BS. You Troll the same manure again and again. What forum is it you brag
about your BS line here? I'm sure someone here remembers from last time, you fake. If not,
the link is in the thread from last time. Can't you come up with something new at least?

Esel1964
10-30-2008, 12:55 AM
Hey Genius-"I fly flight sims,and my favorite is IL-2 Sturmovik.I regularly visit the forums and there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank."

Are you capable of figuring the answer out yet;if not,it's here.

I'm sure somebody will tell you I'm no Troll,rather a generally,mild-mannered helpful individual.
I don't know who crapped in your Post Toasties today,but we've even spoken(commented)to each other before.I've been a member since 3-12-06.
How you see that as a Troll is beyond me,keep digging that hole!

M_Gunz
10-30-2008, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank.

Uh huh. Yup. Always. Yes sirree. One clown pushes the point and the rest argue that it's BS.

K_Freddie
10-30-2008, 01:42 AM
Grabs front seat, got popcorn and beer.. turns volume up.
munch, munch sluuurp.. buuurp!!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

general_kalle
10-30-2008, 01:54 AM
SLAM! Deja v http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Esel1964
10-30-2008, 02:22 AM
Uh huh. Yup. Always. Yes sirree. One clown pushes the point and the rest argue that it's BS.

And I dare you to find me EVER mentioning it in the past.The only reason I mentioned it tonight was,as I said,to try to draw enough attention to it,to get them to do a bit on the show about it.

I just signed up to their forum a few hours earlier,and was unaware they'd had a 5 page argument about it,before I posted.

Still name calling I see-ask yourself some of the questions about who's making the sim look like "******s".Did you ever think there could be people here with family members suffering from handicaps.

For instance,my Father is a tripalegic.Go ahead,take some shots at him.

Esel1964
10-30-2008, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Grabs front seat, got popcorn and beer.. turns volume up.
munch, munch sluuurp.. buuurp!!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I like your sig pic alot,someone's got talent!
I clicked on the 'properties' button of your pic and saw Van Jast-I assume that's the artist.

Is it a painting or CGI ? Either way,it's top notch,esp. with your name in the corner-are you Van Jast?
If so,do you do commission work?
I've got some ideas I'd like turned into something as good as that.
Thanks,M8!

M_Gunz
10-30-2008, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Uh huh. Yup. Always. Yes sirree. One clown pushes the point and the rest argue that it's BS.

And I dare you to find me EVER mentioning it in the past.The only reason I mentioned it tonight was,as I said,to try to draw enough attention to it,to get them to do a bit on the show about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you're not the same login that started it up last time almost 2 months ago (yup, we argue
about this ALL the time) -- a blast from the recent past (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9131094486/p/1)

You just used the same video and ... Take your arguments up with the fighter pilot that made the remarks in the video,anyway. call it rhetoric.

My fault, different clown replaces the old one which means gee you didn't brag about starting
a line of feces here for the fun of it.


I fly flight sims,and my favorite is IL-2 Sturmovik.I regularly visit the forums and there's always a huge argument as to whether a .50 cal MG can take out a tank.

The Tigers often towed a fuel tank,and I do believe they could be easily knocked out.Or even knock a track off.Many believe a strafing plane (armed with .50 cals) could bounce rounds off a road and into the bottom of the tank.The thickness of Tiger armor varied from 120mm,down to 25mm,on the bottom.

While a .50 cal. rifle will pierce 25mm(1 in.),at a perpendicular angle;but,personally I think there would be too much energy loss from hitting the road,plus it would be hitting at an
oblique angle,further reducing impact.

The huge argument here is one or two players vs people who are tired of the BS. There is no
ALWAYS about it either unless you want to go on a yearly or longer basis.

Please show this often that Tigers towed fuel trailers or other form of fuel tank. That's
been gone over but you can show different?

And of course you do cover your butt, great subject those guys always discuss and many believe
in the ricochet but you OTOH really don't think so despite the constant discussions.

Maybe Ruggedy-butt will come back and re-insist that WWII pilots are infallable again.

stalkervision
10-30-2008, 08:21 AM
I think this one has been done to death.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Choctaw111
10-30-2008, 08:55 AM
I saw this thread and thought, "Not another one of these http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif " and THEN I saw who posted it and what the reason was...so I'm OK now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The Mythbusters did a good piece last night on the Indiana Jones series, but I wasn't going to trade watching the World Series for it.
I wonder, even if the Mythbusters would want to do the 50 cal vs Tiger tank, how they would accurately replicate it?
You know there would still be doubters either way the Myth was proven true or not.

K_Freddie
10-30-2008, 09:35 AM
Originally posted by Esel1964:
Is it a painting or CGI ?
Photoshop or some other proggy - cannot remember. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Originally posted by Esel1964: Either way,it's top notch,esp. with your name in the corner
Why.. Thank you, sir! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Originally posted by Esel1964: ..are you Van Jast?
Vanjast (one word..) was my original AKA many moons ago, until one of those (sob http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif sob) 'nasty' mods banned me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Originally posted by Esel1964:
If so,do you do commission work?

Freelancing.. very expensive! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

squareusr
10-30-2008, 03:49 PM
In Saving Private Ryan i've seen Forrest Gump blowing up a german tank by pointing a pistol at it! And he did not even aim at the ground!

Divine-Wind
10-30-2008, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by squareusr:
In Saving Private Ryan i've seen Forrest Gump blowing up a german tank by pointing a pistol at it! And he did not even aim at the ground!
Forrest Gump is overmodelled

M_Gunz
10-30-2008, 08:42 PM
I like this post from over at Mythbusters, once the polite mollycoddling began to wear off:


Look, to believe this story, you have to believe a .50 bullet cannot penetrate dirt or asphalt at a steep angle and will richochet off. Yet you then are willing to believe that very same bullet, travelling with greatly reduced velocity and hitting with about the same angle of incidence, suddenly has the ability to penetrate armor plate. Huh?

Well, if it can't penetrate asphalt, for crying out loud, what makes you think it'll penetrate armor? If it'll bounce off dirt, why wouldn't it bounce off armor?

It's no wonder that people are actually making money selling how-to books to run cars on water.
P.T. Barnum was right.

Tab_Flettner
10-30-2008, 09:04 PM
I like this post from over at Mythbusters, once the polite mollycoddling began to wear off:

quote:
Look, to believe this story, you have to believe a .50 bullet cannot penetrate dirt or asphalt at a steep angle and will richochet off. Yet you then are willing to believe that very same bullet, travelling with greatly reduced velocity and hitting with about the same angle of incidence, suddenly has the ability to penetrate armor plate. Huh?

Well, if it can't penetrate asphalt, for crying out loud, what makes you think it'll penetrate armor? If it'll bounce off dirt, why wouldn't it bounce off armor?



It's no wonder that people are actually making money selling how-to books to run cars on water.
P.T. Barnum was right.

Teh best post EVER!

LEBillfish
10-30-2008, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I like this post from over at Mythbusters, once the polite mollycoddling began to wear off:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well, if it can't penetrate asphalt, for crying out loud, what makes you think it'll penetrate armor? If it'll bounce off dirt, why wouldn't it bounce off armor? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it's because it can't penetrate that it "flips over" Tiger tanks.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif....Besides, everyone knows about the quality of german roads.

ahem....

K2

stalkervision
10-30-2008, 09:58 PM
I just saw the title and didn't read that it was posted at Mythbusters. I posted this same request months and months ago to them and all I got was smart alac remarks from a lot of the site members. You think our site is bad. HAH!! No compairison.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif If you can do better then good luck to you buddy.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

M_Gunz
10-30-2008, 10:52 PM
Discuss: there is a real Santa Claus with flying sled and reindeer, someone said so, it must be true!

Tab_Flettner
10-30-2008, 11:02 PM
Discuss: there is a real Santa Claus with flying sled and reindeer, someone said so, it must be true!

No, there is evidence. A video of a guy saying that its true.

stalkervision
10-31-2008, 04:57 AM
I get news flash "radar reports" evey year saying he was sighted so it must be true! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Choctaw111
10-31-2008, 07:55 AM
Look, to believe this story, you have to believe a .50 bullet cannot penetrate dirt or asphalt at a steep angle and will richochet off. Yet you then are willing to believe that very same bullet, travelling with greatly reduced velocity and hitting with about the same angle of incidence, suddenly has the ability to penetrate armor plate. Huh?

Well, if it can't penetrate asphalt, for crying out loud, what makes you think it'll penetrate armor? If it'll bounce off dirt, why wouldn't it bounce off armor?


Very well said. Interesting to see where this goes now.

HayateAce
10-31-2008, 08:58 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://www.tankzone.co.uk/images/showroom/sherman/tiger_rear_500.jpg

Divine-Wind
10-31-2008, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Discuss: there is a real Santa Claus with flying sled and reindeer, someone said so, it must be true!
Then why don't I ever get a million dollars or a supercomputer every Christmas?

Discuss.

stalkervision
10-31-2008, 01:16 PM
The mythbusters's forums should be called the "verbal abuse center" because that is what you get for joining and asking a simple question. The mythbusters never if ever visit their own forum btw that i can tell so some member there take it upon themselves to shoot all new posters down immediately in the unkindest fashion possible and with spurious arguments. I became a member and just as fast never visited them again after this nonesense.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

JSG72
10-31-2008, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
The mythbusters's forums should be called the "verbal abuse center" because that is what you get for joining and asking a simple question. The mythbusters never if ever visit their own forum btw that i can tell so some member there take it upon themselves to shoot all new posters down immediately in the unkindest fashion possible and with spurious arguments. I became a member and just as fast never visited them again after this nonesense.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

And you are still, on here?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Aaron_GT
10-31-2008, 01:46 PM
Then why don't I ever get a million dollars or a supercomputer every Christmas?

Your mobile phone is a supercomputer compared to those of the 1960s in FLOPS terms. Maybe Santa is an old hippie and hasn't kept up with the times!

stalkervision
10-31-2008, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by JSG72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
The mythbusters's forums should be called the "verbal abuse center" because that is what you get for joining and asking a simple question. The mythbusters never if ever visit their own forum btw that i can tell so some member there take it upon themselves to shoot all new posters down immediately in the unkindest fashion possible and with spurious arguments. I became a member and just as fast never visited them again after this nonesense.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

And you are still, on here?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well you know I can't take verbal abuse from rank amatures but on this site we are all pros.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hell, they don't even use charts there.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
10-31-2008, 02:00 PM
We got any chart monkeys here willing to join up over there and give them what for? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

stalkervision
10-31-2008, 02:08 PM
maybe someone should send the myth to them that Santa isn't real and have them prove it to all the good boys and girls. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

That leaves me out though.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


They still haven't responded to my contention that Rudolph was a lush. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JSG72
10-31-2008, 02:16 PM
"Nobody, said. There would be Charts/Tigahs!"

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

TheFamilyMan
10-31-2008, 04:11 PM
I once saw a photo of Sherman tank where they welded the wings from crashed-landed P-47 onto the sides of its turret. Now I know why they did that!!! ...now where did I see that photo...??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

M_Gunz
10-31-2008, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Discuss: there is a real Santa Claus with flying sled and reindeer, someone said so, it must be true!
Then why don't I ever get a million dollars or a supercomputer every Christmas?

Discuss. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just posted that because discussing the one is about as meaningful as discussing the other.

Both are a waste of time.

M_Gunz
10-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by stalkervision:
The mythbusters's forums should be called the "verbal abuse center" because that is what you get for joining and asking a simple question. The mythbusters never if ever visit their own forum btw that i can tell so some member there take it upon themselves to shoot all new posters down immediately in the unkindest fashion possible and with spurious arguments. I became a member and just as fast never visited them again after this nonesense.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

They weren't exactly abusive, just short and to the point.