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WilhelmSchulz.-
10-11-2005, 04:29 PM
Ive heard the term used over and over agian but, What is a poket Battleship??? Ive seen pics of them and they look like Hipper Heavy Crusers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

W.Irving
10-11-2005, 04:53 PM
I believe it was a way for Germany to get around the treaty of Versailles. They built battleships limited in displacement (and perhaps power) according to the treaty, but armed them like regular battleships.

Acunnon
10-11-2005, 05:02 PM
From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) the free encyclopedia

Pocket Battleship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_battleship) is the British Royal Navy description for a class of warships built by German Reichsmarine in accordance with restrictions imposed by the Treaty of Versailles. They were classified as Panzerschiff ("armoured ship") in German; they were also known as the Deutschland class named after the first ship of this class to be completed. They were smaller than battleships (the displacement was that of a heavy cruiser), but were armed with guns larger than the heavy cruisers of other nations. In fact, the Kriegsmarine reclassified them as heavy cruisers in February 1940. The three ships in the class were launched between 1931 and 1934

jmuhlman
10-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Is it like a pocket fisherman?!

TheRealWulfmann
10-11-2005, 06:02 PM
I did a story for the World and I Magazine on this in 1999.
The term was actually from media reports. Because Germany was restricted from building anything over 10,000 tons for an armored ship, as the treaty described them, no more than six (and not limited in gun size as reported often) they came up with a novel way to build a commerce raider. With diesel engines they had very long range and at 28 knots they were deadly for that role.
The Washington navy treaty excluded Germany and the other navies could not use guns larger than 203MM for cruisers. So Admiral Zenker simply put 2 triple turrets with 283MM guns to out class other cruisers. It was said they could outfight what they could not out run; also not true, the 3 British battlecruisers would have ripped them to shreds.
They were weakly armored even for a heavy cruiser (Graf Spee was better than the other two)
Because Germany found a way to build a novel and useful ships instead of what was expected slow coastal defense ships and in that in between no ship land type, the press nicknamed them "Pocket Battleships".
In truth, they were the most useful ships Germany had at the beginning of the war.
The Hippers were so short ranged and troublesome (but so beautiful) they did less than they should have.
These ships were in no way an attempt to make a battleship class warship and the entire ship fully loaded was not as heavy as the weight of armor alone on any modern battleship.
Calling them battleships is an admission of ignorance, IMO.
The cruise of the Admiral Scheer is one of the cooler stories of WWII.
Wulfmann

WilhelmSchulz.-
10-11-2005, 07:45 PM
One time the Admiral Scheer captured a refrigarator ship with 9,900 tons of meat and friut and 900 tons of eggs. When Krancke offered eggs to Schulz and U-124 he said "Now how many thounds do you think you can use" "Thousands? Gasped Schulz.
Thousands of eggs for a peice of Quarts for Sheer's radar. Man you had got to get sick of eggs by the end of the patrol. And the men of U-124 did. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif