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major_setback
06-12-2010, 09:40 AM
I have always wondered what this is..

http://www.modelplac.cz/images/kits/ju_88g1/ju-88g-38.jpg

I mean the 'star' shaped thing. Here it looks like it is covered in glass/perspex (is it?).

What is it?

ElAurens
06-12-2010, 10:30 AM
I always thought it was a ventilator fan for use on the ground.

Uufflakke
06-12-2010, 10:40 AM
It's an antenna as far as I know used by the later types of the Ju-88.

Celeon999
06-12-2010, 10:53 AM
Which version of the Ju 88 is that model ?

I believe this is a radar warning antenna.

I_JG78_Max
06-12-2010, 10:55 AM
It is a Direction Finding Antenna, if I am not mistaken.

Uufflakke
06-12-2010, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
It is a Direction Finding Antenna, if I am not mistaken.

Probably the FuBl 2. (Funk Blind Landeverfahren = Radio blind landing procedure)

Celeon999
06-12-2010, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Engadin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
It is a Direction Finding Antenna, if I am not mistaken.

.... named Peilrahmen EZ6. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And next to the Peilrahmen antenna, some versions had a small storage room with an inflatable raft for emergency landings at sea.

The door could be blown off by a switch in the cockpit and probaly also by the radioman/tailgunner, releasing the raft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now thats a cool bonus feature http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/756/bild2fj6.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8111/bild3gs9.jpg

major_setback
06-12-2010, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
Which version of the Ju 88 is that model ?

I believe this is a radar warning antenna.

It's the Ju88 G-1, but it can be seen on other marks. Here is the model:

http://www.modelplac.cz/htm/148/ju88g1.htm


http://www.modelplac.cz/htm/gal148.htm


http://www.google.se/imgres?im...554TTNOwMJSKON3B7PkL (http://www.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.modelplac.cz/images/tipy/oleje/oleje_015.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.modelplac.cz/htm/tipy/patina.htm&usg=__kUdPXtnNzcnzIrzo8zpBeXEM_9k=&h=472&w=600&sz=50&hl=sv&start=98&sig2=rZfyzF41PqP9Bh0cAsmc9w&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=EYY_a5ph73Za-M:&tbnh=106&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dju88%2BG-1%26start%3D80%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26safe%3Doff%26s a%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=554TTNOwMJSKON3B7PkL)

Engadin
06-12-2010, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Uufflakke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
It is a Direction Finding Antenna, if I am not mistaken.

Probably the FuBl 2. (Funk Blind Landeverfahren = Radio blind landing procedure) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

....or PeilG[๋rat] 6 (or other numbers depending on the Ju88 version), if I am right.

Choctaw111
06-12-2010, 11:36 AM
Isn't that for the vertical takeoff capability? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

K_Freddie
06-12-2010, 11:38 AM
Maybe it's here.. if you understand german.
Ju88s (http://deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Junkers%20AG.htm)

ElAurens
06-12-2010, 11:46 AM
Learn something new every day.


Thanks gents.

major_setback
06-12-2010, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Engadin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Uufflakke:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
It is a Direction Finding Antenna, if I am not mistaken.

Probably the FuBl 2. (Funk Blind Landeverfahren = Radio blind landing procedure) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

....or PeilG[๋rat] 6 (or other numbers depending on the Ju88 version), if I am right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

'PielG6 Radio direction finder'.. it can certainly be that!:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard01-3.jpg

major_setback
06-12-2010, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
Maybe it's here.. if you understand german.
Ju88s (http://deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Junkers%20AG.htm)

Nice link, thanks.

Found this too. It's amazing what I can find on my own computer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Clipboard02-4.jpg

Viikate_
06-12-2010, 02:44 PM
The radio direction finder's antenna is actually a rotating iron ferrite coil underneath that sun shaped thing.

This one:
http://home.arcor.de/andreas.knof/picture/Antenne.JPG

Bf-110G-4 has same antenna inside the rear fuselage but there the "sun" is missing.

My understanding is that the "sun" is a part of a system compensating errors caused by aircraft shape.

http://www.cdvandt.org/Kl-PT10+PeilG6-0.jpg

http://www.cdvandt.org/exhibits_new.htm

ROXunreal
06-12-2010, 06:13 PM
Sigh, all wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's the VTOL intake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Metatron_123
06-12-2010, 07:43 PM
That's where the proton torpedoes go!

Choctaw111
06-12-2010, 07:47 PM
All joking aside, this is a very informative thread.

AndyJWest
06-12-2010, 08:16 PM
I must admit I've often wondered what it is, but never tried to find out.

I wish Choctaw's idea had been right though. VTOL Ju-88s! And I was always sceptical about German wonder-weapons...

Uufflakke
06-13-2010, 04:44 AM
Originally posted by Viikate_:
The radio direction finder's antenna is actually a rotating iron ferrite coil underneath that sun shaped thing.

Bf-110G-4 has same antenna inside the rear fuselage but there the "sun" is missing.

My understanding is that the "sun" is a part of a system compensating errors caused by aircraft shape.



I should have known that you know more about radar related items since you are working on the Bf-110 G4 nightfighter radar. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
A bit off topic: Are you still working on the radar by the way or did I miss something somewhere?

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-13-2010, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Celeon999:


Right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And next to the Peilrahmen antenna, some versions had a small storage room with an inflatable raft for emergency landings at sea.

The door could be blown off by a switch in the cockpit and probaly also by the radioman/tailgunner, releasing the raft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now thats a cool bonus feature http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now who's bright idea was it to put an inflatable rubber raft in a plane that will have first been shot at a whole lot before the raft is needed? Factoring in Murphy I bet 98% of the time they tried to deploy that raft it was swiss cheese, lol!

Engadin
06-13-2010, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:


Right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And next to the Peilrahmen antenna, some versions had a small storage room with an inflatable raft for emergency landings at sea.

The door could be blown off by a switch in the cockpit and probaly also by the radioman/tailgunner, releasing the raft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now thats a cool bonus feature http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now who's bright idea was it to put an inflatable rubber raft in a plane that will have first been shot at a whole lot before the raft is needed? Factoring in Murphy I bet 98% of the time they tried to deploy that raft it was swiss cheese, lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Good point! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Gammelpreusse
06-13-2010, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:


Right http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

And next to the Peilrahmen antenna, some versions had a small storage room with an inflatable raft for emergency landings at sea.

The door could be blown off by a switch in the cockpit and probaly also by the radioman/tailgunner, releasing the raft http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now thats a cool bonus feature http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now who's bright idea was it to put an inflatable rubber raft in a plane that will have first been shot at a whole lot before the raft is needed? Factoring in Murphy I bet 98% of the time they tried to deploy that raft it was swiss cheese, lol! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess the same guy's idea who put people into such planes =)

Celeon999
06-13-2010, 11:51 AM
Hey, thats still a FAR better idea than the "MacAdams trench shield shovel". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The most useless piece of military equipment ever invented. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Idea was that a soldier could lay down behind it to use it as protective cover and stick his rifle through it so that he can still shoot the hun.

But it was actually too thin to stop a hun bullet and therefore a useless protection and it was equally useless as a shovel because.................... well mainly because someone made a big hole in every single one of them so that a soldier could stick his rifle through to shoot the hun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6827/shovelcb1.jpg

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5236/shoveljm6.jpg

M2morris
06-13-2010, 02:36 PM
Here'e what that thing on the JU88 looks like to me:
The torture device from Star Trek episode 9, Nov 1966 Dagger of the Mind.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/dagger3.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/dagger1.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/dagger2.jpg

Celeon999
06-23-2010, 07:22 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Exactly !

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Much cooler than the Hypno-Awacs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/suhu-idpra/Hypno_Smiley.gif


http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2921/7760b297f795eb3efdc7c19wv5.jpg

Viikate_
06-23-2010, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by Uufflakke:
Are you still working on the radar by the way or did I miss something somewhere?

Sure, but it doesn't make any sense to include it in 4.10 when the whole night fighting scenario requires so much more. Airborne radar would be quite useless without ground radars and ground controlled interception.

M2morris
06-24-2010, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by Celeon999:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Exactly !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...c4mQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kZJJUc4mQ&feature=related)

Treetop64
06-25-2010, 01:25 PM
Interesting that they would use a star-shaped "multi-antenna" instead of a trainable loop antenna. One would think the latter is more precise, unless precision isn't important for that particular system, and the simple reliability and aerodynamically clean installation of the static antenna is more desirable.

That video is hilarious!
"Kirk to Enterpri-hi-hi-hi-hiiiise...!!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif