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Jagdklinger
04-04-2005, 06:36 AM
Something I've noticed on the forums is a general (and this IS a generalisation here) dislike of the La-5/7 series.

Before this thread disintegrates into a 'the <insert plane name> is the most hated because it is a n00b plane' and 'I hate Spitfires/109' thread(and that's fine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) - I'd like to know the following:

If you dislike either La-5/7, then WHY; OR

If you actually LIKE either La-5/7 or at least fly it often, some tips/tactics to make flying and fighting in it a more enjoyable experience.

Otherwise, feel free to bash the plane of your choice.

Jagdklinger
04-04-2005, 06:36 AM
Something I've noticed on the forums is a general (and this IS a generalisation here) dislike of the La-5/7 series.

Before this thread disintegrates into a 'the &lt;insert plane name&gt; is the most hated because it is a n00b plane' and 'I hate Spitfires/109' thread(and that's fine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) - I'd like to know the following:

If you dislike either La-5/7, then WHY; OR

If you actually LIKE either La-5/7 or at least fly it often, some tips/tactics to make flying and fighting in it a more enjoyable experience.

Otherwise, feel free to bash the plane of your choice.

WOLFMondo
04-04-2005, 06:42 AM
Its nothing like it was a while back with the La's. People hated them more than any Spitfire.

Hristos
04-04-2005, 06:48 AM
Somebody actually hates Spitfires ??!

VW-IceFire
04-04-2005, 08:17 AM
Bf.109Z. By far the most hated plane ever.

Sure lots of people fly Spitfires but they aren't as dangerous as La-7s and neither tend to be well flown.

LStarosta
04-04-2005, 08:28 AM
I love the 109Z. I sunk a carrier using just the guns in one pass. Fact.

Friendly_flyer
04-04-2005, 08:36 AM
I actually like flying the La5. Then again, I€m an off-line flyer, so I guess my preferences doesn't count.

The La5 is a high performance plane, but unlike the German counterparts, you may actually dogfight in it without instantly going into a spin and crash. I think it has a very nice balance between power and manoeuvrability, and some very useful weaponry.

x6BL_Brando
04-04-2005, 08:40 AM
Most hated....?

The one on my six, er, 'nailing my butt' as my Texan wingy would say! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Origin and model doesn't come into it...

BBB_Hyperion
04-04-2005, 08:53 AM
Definition for most hated plane
"You can archive more with less pilot ability in this plane."

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jurinko
04-04-2005, 09:16 AM
zero co-alt with my wildcat at low altitude.

darkhorizon11
04-04-2005, 10:50 AM
La-7 was hated.

Now its the Spit, Mustang, and T-Bolt.

Ask any LWhiner, no plane could be thaaattt good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JG53Frankyboy
04-04-2005, 11:17 AM
there are alwasy two sides of a coin:
Ki-84-Ic & Bf109K4 are sure not much "loved" from the Redwhiners - to use this term http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BuzzU
04-04-2005, 11:20 AM
I don't hate any plane, but I could do without some of the bozo's flying them.

Yimmy
04-04-2005, 11:22 AM
For me its the Ki84C.

Eagle_361st
04-04-2005, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
I don't hate any plane, but I could do without some of the bozo's flying them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed 100% X2

JorBR
04-04-2005, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
Definition for most hated plane
"You can archive more with less pilot ability in this plane."
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It´s all about definitions. IMO this is the definition of the most <span class="ev_code_RED">loved</span> plane! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CWH1089
04-04-2005, 11:30 AM
i love to fly the La's, hate to fly against them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSS_CUDA
04-04-2005, 11:40 AM
for me its whatever plane shot me down that particlar moment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

jugent
04-04-2005, 11:52 AM
I hate the Me-109 because it has powerless guns, it is fragile, and bad elevator response.

Werre_Fsck
04-04-2005, 11:59 AM
I hate La-5FN because it was the original uberplane. Now it's fine, just ugly.

JorBR
04-04-2005, 12:39 PM
As said before:

I love to fly the Ki-84´s, hate to fly against them.

And I hate to fly the Me-262 offline. FB/PF´s AI simply denies its great advantage: surprise.

LilHorse
04-04-2005, 01:13 PM
Hate the Ki-84. Hate the Spit (in-game, I love it IRL, especially the early marks). I don't even like flying the Spit. Too dang easy to get kills in. No challenge. No fun.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-04-2005, 01:46 PM
LaGG3: the DM spoils online war.

Cheers,
Norris

civildog
04-04-2005, 02:32 PM
I only hate the planes that are not in the game. It galls me to no end that I can't fly the Pe-2/3, Ju-88, or the Helldiver. Just keeps me awake all night, it does.

Ob.Emann
04-04-2005, 03:21 PM
The ones that shoot me down (i.e. most of them).

han freak solo
04-04-2005, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
LaGG3: the DM spoils online war.

Cheers,
Norris <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Norris, is that Gene Simmons' first attempt at makeup? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif And BTW, Dave is here....

NorrisMcWhirter
04-04-2005, 05:08 PM
D'ya wanna buy some pegs, Dave?

http://www.lofg.com/specialstuff/sounds/Papa%20Lazarou/do%20you%20want%20to%20buy%20some%20pegs.mp3

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,
Norris

Jagdklinger
04-04-2005, 06:07 PM
Has anyone actually got any La-5/7 advice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I know they only work well low (under about 3000m) but compared to say a contemporary Fw190 (my in-game impressions here):

Equal or faster on the deck
Far better in turn or climbing
Decent firepower (although inferior to 190)
Inferior roll rate? (I'd like roll data if anyone has it)

In theory, it should p*** all over the 190 but I always do poorly in it...

Possible explanations:

Maneuverability encourages those 'Spit blackout' maneuvers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

High velocity guns do not mix with someone born and raised on Luftwaffe howitzers; typical Russian parsimony in ammo department

I also think it 'feels' wrong, somehow. Sort of light and flimsy, yet sluggish. There's something there that I can't define... ...and I get frustrated getting downed in a theoretically 'uber' aircraft...

civildog
04-04-2005, 09:00 PM
I actually prefer the La-5FN, even though it would be nice to have 3 20mm guns. In Lavochkin Land, all things being equal, the 5FN doesn't seem to overheat as easily, has nearly equal manueverability, and is just as durable. It's only drawback is the usual pocketful of ammo handed out grudgingly by the squadron Commissar.

It's just too bad people gripe so much that the Lavochkins are "too good" while they don't seem to mind the zoomy Frank. The La-7 was very late in the war and in literature (what there is of it) it seems about equal to the Antons, but the Doras were still faster. This would seem to be about right for a late war design, but it probably wouldn't satisfy the Luftwhiners who seem to think anything of Soviet design is suspect.

Mind you, the Sovs may not have had the most elegant engineering, and often seemed to use brute force to overcome that, but by the end of the war they had some pretty nice tanks, a couple of great planes (the La-7 and Yak-3), proving that they were certainly capable of catching after starting the war with biplanes and paratroops hanging off the wings of cargo planes. Speaking of which, the Soviet paras were the first in the world and the Germans learned how useful they were from that example. But the Germans squandered that resource. The Germans also had lousy ground attack design, yet the Russians excelled at it. But that's another argument.

In the game the La-7 seems about the equal of it's contemporaries, but only just. It also has lousy visibility. Again, all things being equal I'd rather go with the 5FN. Not that I'd say no to a 7 should someone ever dare to have it in the lineup.

Badsight.
04-04-2005, 10:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Bf.109Z. By far the most hated plane ever.

Sure lots of people fly Spitfires but they aren't as dangerous as La-7s and neither tend to be well flown. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>liar liar , pants on fire !

Badsight.
04-04-2005, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CivilDog:
It's just too bad people gripe so much that the Lavochkins are "too good" while they don't seem to mind the zoomy Frank. The La-7 was very late in the war and in literature (what there is of it) it seems about equal to the Antons, but the Doras were still faster. This would seem to be about right for a late war design, but it probably wouldn't satisfy the Luftwhiners who seem to think anything of Soviet design is suspect.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>that has nothing to do with why the La-7 was a BS plane

robban75
04-04-2005, 11:29 PM
The La-7 is better in-game than in reality. Very much so. It's not alone however.

GR142_Astro
04-04-2005, 11:53 PM
Set La5/7 cannon to 120m convergence, and don't get hit in the wing. Doesn't roll as well as Fw190 but who cares. Here's the chart lufties used to prove it was uber:

http://www.crea2i.com/bpzik/images/accords/la/la7.gif

Don't let anyone fool you, at low levels it was a world beater.


http://www.airforce.ru/photogallery/gallery1/dolgushin/la7.jpg

Siwarrior
04-04-2005, 11:57 PM
I hate flying against ace p-11s because they are so annoying,
One shot and they disable my engine in a 109 lol

Hristos
04-05-2005, 12:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
The La-7 is better in-game than in reality. Very much so. It's not alone however. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

robban75, the skins in your sig, is it one of Hammerd made skins ?

Badsight.
04-05-2005, 12:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GR142_Astro:
Don't let anyone fool you, at low levels it was a world beater. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>while that is true , it has nothing to do with why the La-7 was/is the ultimate UFO of all FB/PF

civildog
04-05-2005, 12:09 AM
GR142_Astro-

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

That's about what I think, too. From everything I've read it sounds like it was a great plane.

But of course, unlike the Luftwhiners, I've never flown a real warbird so all I have to go on is a bunch of pilot's memoirs and this game.

Given that the 109's and 190's fly about the way the books by the real pilots say, modified by the fact that I never got to fly any of those planes in real life, I can only assume that the models forthe other planes are probably pretty close to accurate, too.

Jagdklinger
04-05-2005, 12:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Set La5/7 cannon to 120m convergence, and don't get hit in the wing <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Actual advice?!?

Why so close - admittedly I can never hit anything with the cannons - but they seem more accurate/high veolcity (and effective) than German cannon - I thought you'd put convergance much, much higher (more like 250-300m)(as they are grouped on the nose)...? I actually had my best success with 1000m convergance a la 190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Jagdklinger
04-05-2005, 12:32 AM
@Civildog

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It's just too bad people gripe so much that the Lavochkins are "too good" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, when I'm flying them they aren't!

Would you REALLY prefer a La-5 to a -7? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif At least in the La-7 you have a better chance to outrun your opponents...

@Badsight. What the heck is the plane in your sig????

Badsight.
04-05-2005, 12:35 AM
the Best

ever

bar none

at all

Humpy_Dumpy
04-05-2005, 01:32 AM
La5/7 has got to be the most uberly made object in any game I have ever played...

The P51, Lighting and the Thunderbolt are okay... nothing wrong with them.

Uber Noob only planes:

Spitfires
La5/7

Reasons:

Spitfire can turn 360 without stalling in about 9 seconds, uber hispano bullets and one day I blew up a Zero with just one hispano bullet.

La5/7 so god **** uber that if the La5/7 was anything like it is in this game then everyone in the world would be speaking Russian.

Please don't call me a Luftwhiner, it seriously hurts me... like I get bruises from being called a luftwhiner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

WOLFMondo
04-05-2005, 02:46 AM
Spitfire is too slow to be uber. Not sure why people think the Spitfire is uber just because they got out turned by it. Its about as uber as any 109 is. There so similar its funny when you hear 109 drivers whining about a Spitfire.

The La7 doesn't seem to fly like it did. Currently the most uber performing plane in FB/PF is the 190D9 because flown well that plane is untouchable...but only when flown wellhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Hristos
04-05-2005, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Currently the most uber performing plane in FB/PF is the 190D9 because flown well that plane is untouchable...but only when flown wellhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, uber plane rules when flown well, while n00b plane rules even when flown poorly.

IMHO, P51 is just as good as D-9, if not better, considering dive speed, cockpit visibility, endurance on minimal fuel, gunsight clearance, resistance to wing damage and wingloading.

IMHO, of course.

Monson74
04-05-2005, 04:14 AM
There's no plane that I really hate but IMO the P11 cockpit is by far the ugliest - it doesn't reach the standard of the game. The dm needs a little attention too I think.

_Neveraine_
04-05-2005, 04:40 AM
I don't like 109's with gunpods http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif 109K4's with the 108 gunpods just make me angry.

WOLFMondo
04-05-2005, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Currently the most uber performing plane in FB/PF is the 190D9 because flown well that plane is untouchable...but only when flown wellhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, uber plane rules when flown well, while n00b plane rules even when flown poorly.

IMHO, P51 is just as good as D-9, if not better, considering dive speed, cockpit visibility, endurance on minimal fuel, gunsight clearance, resistance to wing damage and wingloading.

IMHO, of course. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spitfires don't rule though, they get shot down in droves online. A Spitfire has to be very well flown or with a wing man to do well. You can't lone wolf in one certainly. Its very hard to disengage in one and get away. In a spit, once your in a fight you have to win to get away. 109's can always catch you in any manouver and 190's can out roll and disengage at will.

The opposite could be said of the D9. Admittedly the Spitfire is plane I fly very rarely but its a plane that I see going down in flames allot.

Agreed, the P51 does have advantages. But there still slower than the D9 at heights that matter in online wars and I find the P51 kind of sluggish now I've got use to the way the D9 handles.

Jagdklinger
04-05-2005, 06:12 AM
I've just flown a P51 offline for 2hrs today, testing the magic gunsight. It really is useful to give you a 'feel' for deflection shooting.

Downed all of 3 planes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif and 3 doz 'smoking mildly' who were able to continue the fight. I hope the ****ers got major oil splatter...

Including one 5-second burst from below into a 190 @150yrds. If I was in the 190, it'd be instant fuel leak/outright fireball, but it absorbed 60+ strikes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

PS: Is their an offline tool that records your shooting %?

AlGroover
04-05-2005, 06:43 AM
Any of the big cannon variants. It's just no fun when one shell will almost certainly split your plane apart.

Roast
04-05-2005, 06:58 AM
It whiner time again, judging by several posts. All the whining about Allied planes, I expect the first complaint about a Luftwaffe plane any time now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't have really a [most] hated plane in FB, only a few ones that seem to underperform, like the P-38. My own car seems to quicker than that one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
My most loved plane is probably the LaGG-3, especially with the 23mm canon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Roast

HotelBushranger
04-05-2005, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ki-84-Ic & Bf109K4 are sure not much "loved" from the Redwhiners - to use this term <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you saying the 109K4 is the "uber" of the 109 series?

&lt;Pause&gt;

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Downed one of those in a Cr 42! Uber my @rse!

&lt;Edit&gt; PS I hate all Ki-84s! They p!ss me off, especially when everyones flying their own favs, not worrying about flying the most superior, then there's always one t0sspot that comes along and starts downing everyone with the twin 30s!

Can't wait to shoot down down their sorry @rses in my Falco http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ImpStarDuece
04-05-2005, 08:21 AM
The Gladiator.

Seriously, its a love/hate thing. I love it and everyone else hates me shooting them down in it.

Face it when everyone else in the server is flying late war 400 mph+ uberplanes there is nothing more embarrasing than getting shot down by an old, slow, underarmed, underpowered, fabric and string, twin winged wonder.

Everytime I get in it and get on someones 6 I fell like shouting "No! NO, NO! Don't turn. DON'T TURN! Run away and climb. Oh, you stupid ******. Oh well, guess you deserve this then". I hate myself for doing it but at the sametime love the feeling of whipping onto someones 6 before they even realise that you are there.

Jaws2002
04-05-2005, 10:30 AM
I HATE I185!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

robban75
04-05-2005, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
robban75, the skins in your sig, is it one of Hammerd made skins ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's made by Moksha! A highly talanted skinner! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

GR142_Astro
04-05-2005, 11:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jagdklinger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Set La5/7 cannon to 120m convergence, and don't get hit in the wing <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Actual advice?!?

Why so close - admittedly I can never hit anything with the cannons - but they seem more accurate/high veolcity (and effective) than German cannon - I thought you'd put convergance much, much higher (more like 250-300m)(as they are grouped on the nose)...? I actually had my best success with 1000m convergance a la 190 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it does seem rather tight, but it really works well for me. Pipper and TgD Thunderbolt are two of the best La5 fliers on GG and I know for sure Pipper uses close converge as well. The 2 x 20mm shvaks are a love/hate weapon for sure. Sometimes I can confidently place a burst and rip open 109 fuses and other times I can't even hit the earth with them. Some ppl don't think changing converge does anything, but 120 seems to be the magic number for the La's, just like 350m works in the P38.

LuckyBoy1
04-05-2005, 11:07 AM
Want to fly a truly overmodelled wonder? Go grab that 1945 YAK!

NorrisMcWhirter
04-05-2005, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristos:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
Currently the most uber performing plane in FB/PF is the 190D9 because flown well that plane is untouchable...but only when flown wellhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, uber plane rules when flown well, while n00b plane rules even when flown poorly.

IMHO, P51 is just as good as D-9, if not better, considering dive speed, cockpit visibility, endurance on minimal fuel, gunsight clearance, resistance to wing damage and wingloading.

IMHO, of course. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You missed out climb. The P51 and D9 are on a level pegging for me except that it's easier to damage a D9 with a P51 than vice versa. Unless, of course, you're lucky enough to hit the engine.

Cheers,
Norris

MosDef_99th
04-05-2005, 02:31 PM
Lucky Boy hit nail on the head...Nothing like that 3 cannon Yak...seems a lot harder to beat than spit or la..can outturn anything at 250 kph to 450 kph..can outclimb La7 too...only 185 more of a BS plane...not much problem with anything else

WarGod5475
04-05-2005, 03:01 PM
I hate the overmodeled p-51.
and then any of the circus planes the biplanes that can pull 100g's and not fall apart!

Vortex_uk
04-05-2005, 03:08 PM
For me its a tie between...

Yak-3/3P, La-5/7, Ki-84s. I hate them all equally.

I-185 and 109Z would be in that but they're rare in DF servers now, havn't seen one flown online in ages.

tralkpha
04-05-2005, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Badsight.:
the Best

ever

bar none

at all <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i agree and hope to fly it again in the virtual skies someday... last serious appearance was aotp iirc....

faustnik
04-05-2005, 04:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:

Spitfires don't rule though, they get shot down in droves online. A Spitfire has to be very well flown or with a wing man to do well. You can't lone wolf in one certainly. Its very hard to disengage in one and get away. In a spit, once your in a fight you have to win to get away. 109's can always catch you in any manouver and 190's can out roll and disengage at will.

The opposite could be said of the D9. Admittedly the Spitfire is plane I fly very rarely but its a plane that I see going down in flames allot.

Agreed, the P51 does have advantages. But there still slower than the D9 at heights that matter in online wars and I find the P51 kind of sluggish now I've got use to the way the D9 handles. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree on the Spitfire comments. The Spit IX is great in '43, after that, it's all downhill.

Dora and P-51D is a very even fight.

burgers22
04-05-2005, 05:27 PM
Hi

He111, if you go up against a flight of the, the uber gunners will kill you realy quick. You can go against the same number of B17s & have more chance. Realy anything with a gun fireing backwards is a bit pants in terms of it's abiliy to kill you, the Jerrys would have won BoB if the He111 could shoot as well as the AI in this game

MB

Vladimir_No2
04-05-2005, 06:24 PM
Too much ranting about late war aircraft...
The I-153P is a terrible aircraft- it is a well armed biplane. I dislike it not because it is mismodeled, but simply because it is flown too much. The I-153 in general gets too much credit as the "best biplane."

Copperhead310th
04-05-2005, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Bf.109Z. By far the most hated plane ever.

Sure lots of people fly Spitfires but they aren't as dangerous as La-7s and neither tend to be well flown. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif
I could not agree more. 1st time i flew the 109-Z my reaction was..."OH OK..So THAT'S where they put the P-38 Flight model in the code."

blakduk
04-05-2005, 10:47 PM
Has to be the P39- spin happy hunk of junk with a cannon that bounces all over the sky. If you dont hit your target with the first shot your aim is totally ruined. You have to fight really hard to maintain your E or your doomed.

MosDef_99th
04-06-2005, 07:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WarGod5475:
I hate the overmodeled p-51.
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heh.....that's a good one

NorrisMcWhirter
04-06-2005, 01:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vladimir_No2:
Too much ranting about late war aircraft...
The I-153P is a terrible aircraft- it is a well armed biplane. I dislike it not because it is mismodeled, but simply because it is flown too much. The I-153 in general gets too much credit as the "best biplane." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, it's terrible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif On the UK-D server it has something like a 9:1 kill ratio over the 109F....

Of course, we are in Oleg's world.

Cheers,
Norris

Atomic_Marten
04-06-2005, 06:07 PM
For me that's somewhat silly question. I wouldn't be playing the game at the first place if I hate some planes.

There is no plane in the sim that I didn't play on, some more some less, but for sure I can play with any plane in the sim.

I can understand that someone love more one aircraft than any other (I know I do -- Bf109s, P39s and lately Yak9s and LA5series).

But I can't resist but to co-relate that question with 'fanboy' issue, especially if it has to do something with online games.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif