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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 05:12 AM
I saw a message in general discussion that I never though about ask for it to be add program into next patch. Make AAA stop shooting at floating parachutes. Of course, AAA may need to shooting at paratroop but not need shot at bailing out emeny pilots even already-shot-down plane which pilot have injured enough that can't bail out but can try belly landing. I though it will give more postive message. Take a read message what other player posted

"Author: Bruusteri
Rank: Over 10 Postings
Date: 10/27/03 04:28PM


Of course one has a right to defend itself in a war if he is attacked, but it doesn't allow to shoot prachutes (other than armed paratroopers). I think that's a war crime. At least you will get bad karma

If an enemy parachutist was dropping on his own side, I still wouldn't shoot him. Real pilots (gentlemen) never do that. Those who do (did) are considered to be scum. You should never even tease a parachutist (e.g. fly too close), because they are totally defenceless.

In the game I always feel little bad when AAA shoots at parachutes. I've never seen planes doing that, but at least small caliber AAA (20-25mm) shoots always if there are enemy parachutes in range. I wouldn't get any pleasure for shooting them."

what do you think?



Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 05:12 AM
I saw a message in general discussion that I never though about ask for it to be add program into next patch. Make AAA stop shooting at floating parachutes. Of course, AAA may need to shooting at paratroop but not need shot at bailing out emeny pilots even already-shot-down plane which pilot have injured enough that can't bail out but can try belly landing. I though it will give more postive message. Take a read message what other player posted

"Author: Bruusteri
Rank: Over 10 Postings
Date: 10/27/03 04:28PM


Of course one has a right to defend itself in a war if he is attacked, but it doesn't allow to shoot prachutes (other than armed paratroopers). I think that's a war crime. At least you will get bad karma

If an enemy parachutist was dropping on his own side, I still wouldn't shoot him. Real pilots (gentlemen) never do that. Those who do (did) are considered to be scum. You should never even tease a parachutist (e.g. fly too close), because they are totally defenceless.

In the game I always feel little bad when AAA shoots at parachutes. I've never seen planes doing that, but at least small caliber AAA (20-25mm) shoots always if there are enemy parachutes in range. I wouldn't get any pleasure for shooting them."

what do you think?



Regards
SnowLeopard

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 05:30 AM
For an article a few years ago, I interviewed a B-24 waist gunner that bailed out with the rest of the crew over Normandy in early 44. He was the first on the ground (unlike the rest of the crew, he didn't open his chute right away) and as he looked for a place to hide, he watched the other crew slowly float down under fire from light AAA nearby. He distinctly remembered seeing one of his crewmates have his leg blown off by a direct hit.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 06:11 AM
Lifted from Khruschchev Remembers by Nikita Khrushchev, page 190...

I remember a tragic sight that I saw when I went out to the battle zone south of the city (Stalingrad) near the Noriman ravine. Some of our fighter-bombers flew over, heading toward the front. Suddenly German Messerschmitts appeared. Before our very eyes, our bombers were hit and caught fire one after the other. The pilots bailed out. Our own planes looked very much like the Messerschmitts. Our infantry thought the stricken fighter-bombers were German, so they opened fire on our pilots as they parachuted to the ground. I remember how one pilot screamed as he came down, "I'm one of you! I'm one of you!" Then there was a burst of machine-gun fire, and it was all over.

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:10 AM
There was incidents of light flak shooting parachutes (like in Normandy, like in Band of Brothers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ), which is ok since light flak has to be relatively close to actually hit the parachute.. but I doubt that heavy flak ever tried to shoot on parachutes.. that I hate.. heavy flak blowing my chute off /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 07:39 PM
Although I'm sure there are many instances of AAA shooting at parachutes, it's a little silly for this to happen while there are still undamaged airplanes that can really hurt you flying around. I don't want to be crass, but I suspect few armys would waste expensive 40mm ammunition shooting at a bailed out flyer in the sky when they can just capture (or bayonnet) him when he reaches the ground. It's a lot cheaper!

I would rather the AAA not shoot at parachutes (except paratroopers of course) and that it stop shooting at airplanes which have force landed as well. To me it just sems like a design flaw as the AI seems programmed to go after the player's "pilot", rather than his/her "plane".

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 10:57 PM
zoomar::
-- To me it just sems like a design flaw as the AI seems
-- programmed to go after the player's "pilot", rather than
-- his/her "plane".

Agreed, I don't like it. It sounds bad. It sounds like real WAR. Granted, they could make the AI para~attacks more random, sometimes killing, sometimes not, and this could help an escape attempt during a campaign. Also not every parachute attack is succseful, as many stories tell. But I ~love~ this parachute killing game feature, cos it makes you think a little more about WAR before hitting the Refly button/buttonette.

Since birth I too have been spoonfed Hollywood Western Front classics where the only para~strafers are German.

XyZspineZyX
10-28-2003, 11:18 PM
Its annoying to get killed by the AA when flying Online Wars like VOW. You would have a small chance to escape but if you bail near an enemy AA you are killed by them. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 12:15 AM
the best solution for me would be the option to delay the opening of the chute , but apparently this was suggested (and rejected) before , if I remember right.

XyZspineZyX
10-29-2003, 01:29 AM
Na Russians were good at shooting thier own people. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 03:47 PM
uuum, that was a nasty remark.

malkuth wrote:
- Na Russians were good at shooting thier own people.
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XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 09:29 PM
Related to parachutes (most likely mentioned before), but how about a minimum altitude for the ai pilots to bail. Seem's a bit pathetic to watch them bail out at 50m, or even worse as they're sliding across the ground.

XyZspineZyX
10-30-2003, 10:49 PM
perioikos wrote:
- Related to parachutes (most likely mentioned
- before), but how about a minimum altitude for the ai
- pilots to bail. Seem's a bit pathetic to watch them
- bail out at 50m, or even worse as they're sliding
- across the ground.

Yea that's true also they may need to be more smart enough to bail out over wood field area instead of going belly landing on treetop. I feel helpless watch my wingmen crash-landing in same time wonder if my shot-down enemy planes will crash into wood or meadow field.

Regards
SnowLeopard