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Oleg_Maddox
11-10-2005, 06:44 AM
We would like to make Bristol Blenheims MKI and MKIV flyable in BoB... But all references we have now doesn't allow us to make cockpits and gunner/other positions well... Lets say with the BoB standards where we make only 100% copy of real cockpits with the refences we have it is simply impossible....

We need good quality photos where all labesls and signs are recognizeable...

So, if you can help - you may send materials to PF@1c.ru

Thanks in advance.

PS. The books and tons of photos I have doesn't allow us to read gauges and signs on them...

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2005, 06:57 AM
Mr Maddox, is in the house
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

MEGILE
11-10-2005, 07:11 AM
BUMP for the man.

Viper2005_
11-10-2005, 07:24 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fe/Bristol_blenheim_cockpit.JPG

Is this good enough?

Skyfoxx1
11-10-2005, 08:36 AM
http://www.aviationarchive.org.uk/Gpages/html/G1933.html
http://www.tinkering.net/issy/illust/cockpit7.jpg

If you can get your hands on one of these it has a diagram of the gauges etc.
http://www.eflightmanuals.com/detail/itemList.asp?page=3&CategoryGroupID=39

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Jaws2002
11-10-2005, 09:35 AM
I think what we need is to locate on in a museum somewhere in the world, then find someone from the forum in that area to go make some nice photos.
I checked the Canadian Heritage Museum and they have no Blenheim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Jaws2002
11-10-2005, 09:38 AM
How about this one, Canadian Bristol Bolingbroke (licence built MKIV)?

http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_bolingbroke.html

stathem
11-10-2005, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
I think what we need is to locate on in a museum somewhere in the world, then find someone from the forum in that area to go make some nice photos.
I checked the Canadian Heritage Museum and they have no Blenheim http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I think there is one at Duxford, certainly there is a Blenheim society in the UK with a flying example. It needs someone with good clearance, sounds like a job for taylortony, if anyone knows him well.

buz13
11-10-2005, 11:14 AM
There is a mark IV at Hendon RAF Museum according to their website....perhaps they could provide photographs or illustrations.

CBY1948
11-10-2005, 11:25 AM
I don't have documentation but... I bought 2 small books in Duxford titled PILOT'S NOTES for SPITFIRE mk F VII/ VIII/ PR X and for MOSQUITO. These books are fac-simile (reproduction) of books used by the pilots and some have been hand-noted by the owners during WW2 for update.
In the list of available PILOT'S Notes there is the Bristol Blenheim V.
In my books there is very detailed pictures of the cockpit, reference of the instruments, and you can read easily the scales and figures on the instruments. Is also described the engine management, how to take-off, to land.. and so on... and technical data needed by the pilot : speed, trim...
The editor is Crécy Publishing Limited in Manchester

Airmail109
11-10-2005, 11:58 AM
Ill pay duxford a visit oleg with my camera and see what I can do. I have a few contacts there. Theres a Blenheim there which broke its back landing, its being restored...ill see what i can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now ill see if I can get in contact with the owner of the Bleheim Graham Warner, but he really badly needs dontations to restore the what was the only flying Blenheim in the world. I suggest if he does let me take extensive photos of the interior, that you give him a donation as a thankyou! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Maybe if I can find a way to get in touch you should contact him Oleg.

danjama
11-10-2005, 01:59 PM
Hi Oleg, i cant help with this, but YOU DA MA! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

nsu
11-10-2005, 02:11 PM
http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/lccockpit2.jpg
The office of a Blenheim I (Bristol Aeroplane Co)
Mark I cockpit
Link:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/el_cooper.html

http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/Blenheim_dual1.jpg
Blenheim I fitted with dual controls 1938

link:
http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/bristol_blenheim_i.html

Gruß NSU http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

FoolTrottel
11-10-2005, 02:29 PM
The Nanton Lancaster Society Air Museum has got a restored Mk IV ... Dunno how complete it is ...

"Where is Nanton you ask ? About a 40 minute drive south of Calgary, Alberta, Canada on Hwy #2"

Anynone of us near there?

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/bristol.html

major_setback
11-10-2005, 02:52 PM
Bombsight pictures, I hope that these help in some way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/wimperis.jpg

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallin...2002/Picture_027.jpg (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/Picture_027.jpg)

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/dsc01201.jpg

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallin...2002/Picture_040.jpg (http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/Picture_040.jpg)

More on the armament/bombsight. http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/blenheim_armament.html

From:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/hallinportti2002/



And (*cough*) how the bombsight works, and diagrams of the dials http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/tsunamilord/bombing.html

starfighter1
11-10-2005, 04:02 PM
hi,
ask this people to get the right stuff http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
even by taking new pics(3d stereo fotos or video) in correct pilot's eyes and angel of view at a restored plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


http://www.arc-duxford.co.uk/




Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
We would like to make Bristol Blenheims MKI and MKIV flyable in BoB... But all references we have now doesn't allow us to make cockpits and gunner/other positions well... Lets say with the BoB standards where we make only 100% copy of real cockpits with the refences we have it is simply impossible....

We need good quality photos where all labesls and signs are recognizeable...

So, if you can help - you may send materials to PF@1c.ru

Thanks in advance.

PS. The books and tons of photos I have doesn't allow us to read gauges and signs on them...

jamesdietz
11-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Yippeee!

VW-IceFire
11-10-2005, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
How about this one, Canadian Bristol Bolingbroke (licence built MKIV)?

http://www.warplane.com/pages/aircraft_bolingbroke.html
Unfortnately its still in many small pieces or being remade into small pieces that don't currently exist.

Thats the last I saw of it back about a year ago. These things go very slowly sometimes so I don't think she's going to be much use to us. I'm not sure if anyone here is on good terms with the museum staff and can scan some of the references?

Turk_man
11-10-2005, 06:03 PM
This ones in Ottawa, it says it`s stored but accesible.http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/BristolBolingbrokeIVT.shtml

jensenpark
11-10-2005, 07:47 PM
There is a beautiful one in Victoria (bolingbroke) at the Aviation Museum at the airport.

Dubbo from the Hellhounds and I were just there...

Mint condition.

I'll send the man some pics...

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2005, 07:48 PM
http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/BristolBolingbrokeIVT.shtml


If necessary, I can take a road trip with a digital camera and ask them if I can take pictures of the thing.

Ugly_Kid
11-10-2005, 10:33 PM
There are more under virtualpilots website:
http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/blenheim2001/

The museum in Finland should be useful target for a trip. (The Blenheim is stored in a hangar and not out for public display)

Maraz_5SA
11-11-2005, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by CBY1948:
I don't have documentation but... I bought 2 small books in Duxford titled PILOT'S NOTES for SPITFIRE mk F VII/ VIII/ PR X and for MOSQUITO. These books are fac-simile (reproduction) of books used by the pilots and some have been hand-noted by the owners during WW2 for update.
In the list of available PILOT'S Notes there is the Bristol Blenheim V.


I have the Pilot's Notes for the Blenheim IV, I am just working at this model for Target Tobruk. But the cockpit pictures in this booklet are not very clear, not clear enough to show the labels on gauges and other small details.

On the other hand its very clear about the function of all cockpit instruments and gear (e.g. flaps, prop pitch, mixture, cowl flaps, etc...), on flight procedures, etc.

Mr. Oleg if you need this book please PM me for details.

Cheers
Maraz

MatoKKK
11-11-2005, 09:07 AM
@Maraz and others.

Please note Oleg's instructions. He wrote to SEND THE MATERIALS TO HIM. Not posting it here, not asking him to contact you over PM. I had the pleasure working with him. He is a busy man, so don't expect him to check all the messages and links here. If you have ANYTHING valueable, zip it up, and email it to him (or if it is too big, upload it somewhere and send him the link). It would be a shame if some good stuff gets overlooked because of this. Thank you.

mole_boy
11-11-2005, 07:28 PM
any chance of blenheim for il-2 pf? It would make the mission builders very happy

Dmus
11-12-2005, 12:24 AM
A friend of mine has Complete maintainance manual(original)of Blendheim.
I think he once emailed to Maddox about it ,hoping blendheim would be made in IL2.

I don´t remember how much pictures there are in that manual,but i will ask him about it.

Aaron_GT
11-12-2005, 02:09 AM
Oleg,

There is a Blenheim society in the UK which
advertises regularly in Aeroplane Monthly. If
I could find my recent copy of Aeroplane Monthly
I'd post the details here, but someone who has
got a copy could probably look it up. I am sure
they have extensive information.

Aaron_GT
11-12-2005, 03:47 AM
There is a new book on the Blenheim:
"The Bristol Blenheim", 656 pages, 400 photos published by the Blenheim society, cost: 34.95.

Contact details: Mr. G.A. Warner, MBE, "Hirondelle", Kithurst Lane, Storrington, W. Sussex, RH20 4LP, UK.

-HH-Dubbo
11-12-2005, 07:07 PM
Here is the only interior shot I have of the Boly on Vancouver Island (MkIV)
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/100_091650.jpg
And the link below is 100% larger again, for detail

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/100_0916.JPG

airjunkie
11-13-2005, 10:40 AM
http://print.google.com/
type in this other titles and you will find pics of
Bristol Blenheims

flatlander5
11-14-2005, 04:41 PM
There is a Bollingbroke in a museum 40km south of Calgary.

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/bristol.html

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_blenheim3.jpg


~Flatlander

KG26_Alpha
11-15-2005, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Ill pay duxford a visit oleg with my camera and see what I can do. I have a few contacts there. Theres a Blenheim there which broke its back landing, its being restored...ill see what i can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now ill see if I can get in contact with the owner of the Bleheim Graham Warner, but he really badly needs dontations to restore the what was the only flying Blenheim in the world. I suggest if he does let me take extensive photos of the interior, that you give him a donation as a thankyou! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Maybe if I can find a way to get in touch you should contact him Oleg.

Theres no Blenheims at Duxford at all in one piece.

The one that crashed (Mk IV) is currently with ARC having a MkI nose fitted which is from a conversion someone made into a car.......there not sure what panel will be used MkI or MkIV yet.

The non flying example at Duxford the MkI is in pieces in hangar 63 theres no panel or gauges assembled or gunner/bomber positions either to be of any use to Oleg.

starfighter1
11-15-2005, 02:35 PM
hi,
hi man
this people in Moskow have no time to see real things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



Originally posted by flatlander5:
There is a Bollingbroke in a museum 40km south of Calgary.

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/bristol.html

http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_blenheim3.jpg


~Flatlander

RAF238th_Soak
11-15-2005, 05:11 PM
Here is a listing planes

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/blenheimregistry/blenheimregistry.html

Raeric
11-16-2005, 05:11 PM
Aircraft in picture supplied by Turc_Man is NOT a Bristol Blenheim or Bolingbroke... and it is NOT in Ottawa! What you see is the recently unveiled Handly Page Halifax Bomber at the RCAF Museum in Trenton, ON. This magnificent aircraft is the only technically complete example of its kind in the world.

Read all about it at: http://www.halibag.com/

Mave_FI
11-17-2005, 04:51 AM
Is it too hard for someone who happens to live near a museum with Blenheim in it to go, talk to the staff and tell what's it all about and ask if one could go and take pictures from the cockpit and gunner seat? And all of the interrior at the same time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

arjisme
11-17-2005, 07:48 AM
All the pics and links are great, but I think its shots like what -HH-Dubbo provided that come close to giving what Oleg asked for. What is missing in most information provided is this:

"We need good quality photos where all labesls and signs are recognizeable..."

If anyone does get to a museum and can get permission to take some pictures, see if you can include some good, clear close-up shots of each gauge (or group of gauges) and control(s) so that the labelling can be easily read.

-HH-Dubbo
11-17-2005, 02:14 PM
Looking to get to the museum and get inside. Should be interesting

gkll
11-17-2005, 11:17 PM
hey all.. the Nanton museum sent me some photos they just took, Ill pass them on to 1c. However they were so helpful I didn't yet have the heart to mention they had glare in some photos and others were a touch blurry. I will, and also can stop in next time I am on a trip down south and take some of my own. FYI to those other 3 who emailed the museum.

gkll
11-23-2005, 04:39 PM
I am going back and forth with the museum and 1c. 1c mentioned a few extra needed pics and so on, I passed this on to the museum. If need be I will travel down there and take the photos myself, although the museum has been very helpful and is a great little museum. It has a bit of personal history to it as well, my grandfather was in 15SFTS (Commonwealth air training) just south of there, at Claresholm, and may have serviced or rebuilt some of the museum aircraft.

1c had nothing to say about the aircraft being a Bolingbroke (Canadian made), I did pass on details of the aircraft build date and model.

FYI

SeaFireLIV
11-29-2005, 06:19 AM
Philosophy time...

Isn`t it great that Oleg (the main man developer) can post on these boards and get good help towards the making of BOB from the community members who are in the know?

I think it`s just great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

avimimus
11-29-2005, 05:55 PM
Hear, hear!

I bet if we wanted we could even put together a good lobby to try to get government/museum/military grants for modelling help.

I just sent Oleg information on the bolingbroke in Ottawa.

WWMaxGunz
11-29-2005, 09:10 PM
Perhaps people restoring can say where to get the plans like they use?

RAF23-Shrike
12-02-2005, 11:11 AM
got a nice and clear altitude guage from here...
http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/instruments3.html

use ctrl-f and 'blenheim' to get to the pic.

Oleg, tried to reply to your mail, but yours/or mine mail server seems to not be working at the moment.

MOH_MADMAN
12-06-2005, 11:46 AM
Im a pro photog so if there is one of those planes in the Phoenix AZ area, I will go photograph them in perfect detail. Let me know.

MAD

rednine
12-10-2005, 05:05 PM
im guessing he needs refrence as to what guages are what as well?

robindeeyk
12-19-2005, 07:47 AM
http://www.aviationarchive.org.uk/Gpages/html/G1933.html

nice vieuw of the cokpit

tsail
12-27-2005, 09:43 AM
Chance of adding visible tracer rounds from USN and USAF fighters....The tracers from Navy fighters are non existant. Every 5th round I believe was WP...at least that what it appears to be in gun camera footage..
Aside from that one issue I love the game..
Thanks

danjama
12-30-2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by tsail:
Chance of adding visible tracer rounds from USN and USAF fighters....The tracers from Navy fighters are non existant. Every 5th round I believe was WP...at least that what it appears to be in gun camera footage..
Aside from that one issue I love the game..
Thanks

well that doesnt belong in this thread so please dont bring it here!

Arm_slinger
01-11-2006, 09:53 AM
A thought has occured to me. Might it not be worth while someone high up from Olegs team, or Ubi,to contact the RAF Museum at Hendon to see if they can do anything about photographs for their blenheim.

Also there is the Blenheim society.

Philipscdrw
01-26-2006, 01:13 PM
For realism, when flying the Blenheim, you should glue the keyboard to the underside of your chair and map the 'Drain all hydraulic fluid' button right next to the 'Undercarriage Up/Down' control.

The Blenheim had the undercarriage, hydraulic, and prop pitch controls (or something similar) on three identically-shaped knobs conveniently placed behind and below the pilot's elbow.

Aaron_GT
01-29-2006, 02:07 AM
With design flaws like that in WW2 cockpits you can see why the MB.5 was so praised!

Aaron_GT
01-29-2006, 02:12 AM
Perhaps people restoring can say where to get the plans like they use?

I sent Oleg the details of the Blenheim society. If anyone has the information, it is probably them. So let's hope they can help out and we can get a Blenheim for BoB.

What would be really nice for lovers of slightly rubbish planes is an NF Blenheim too, but I expect that good visual references are very thin on the ground for this. (The Blenheim was a good light day bomber of its day, but a Blenheim with 5 MGs would not be the best of night fighters).

VV_Holdenb
02-04-2006, 12:27 PM
I went to RAF Hendon muesum today to photograph their Bristol Blenheim IV.

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/bristol-blenheim-iv.htm

Sent Oleg and 1c a few external shots of
bombadier position, bomb sight and and top gun Turret. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Unable to get cockpit shots as they have a "closed cockpit" policy at muesum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif Passed address on as they may be able to provide cockpit photographs, but don't know what the costs would be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Treetop64
03-13-2006, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
For realism, when flying the Blenheim, you should glue the keyboard to the underside of your chair and map the 'Drain all hydraulic fluid' button right next to the 'Undercarriage Up/Down' control.

The Blenheim had the undercarriage, hydraulic, and prop pitch controls (or something similar) on three identically-shaped knobs conveniently placed behind and below the pilot's elbow.

LOL!

Another example of brilliant British design of ergonomics!

Back on point: Someone in this forum must be an intimate bedfellow with a museum curator somewhere, right? Let's come through for the man!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

gkll
04-03-2006, 11:53 PM
Hi all,

I believe the guy working on the cockpit has everything he needs. I forwarded on some pictures from the Nanton air museum from here in Alberta Canada (this was some time ago), and these seem to have done the trick. There are just a few details and these are being taken care of, the guy working on the pit sent some photos with the details he needed clearer circled, and we will get some extra photos.

PS that Nanton museum has some nice planes. Check it out, it is south of Calgary up against the foothills, beautiful country. Close to the commonwealth air training base that was at Claresholm, my grandfather was a sergeant there in charge of maintenance during the war.

FYI

TheEDFLegacy
05-06-2006, 02:20 PM
I might be able to help.

The Canadian Bolingbroke is located in Ottawa, which is fairly close to me.

http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifact...BolingbrokeIVT.shtml (http://www.aviation.technomuses.ca/collections/artifacts/aircraft/BristolBolingbrokeIVT.shtml)

A while ago I inquired about their accessability, I got this from the museum:

----
...We do allow photos of the aircraft to be taken from the vantage point of the barriers present. There is no charge for this - other than the regular admission fee of $6.00. However, if a photographer would like to take photos from a closer distance (i.e - be allowed to walk around the aircraft) a Visitor Services host would need to be assigned for the duration of the photo shoot. As well if the photos are to be used for more
than one person - again a Visitor Services host would need to be assigned for the duration of the photo shoot. The cost per hour is $75.00...
---

So it would cost money to get close. As well, according to them:

---
...Visitors are not allowed into any aircraft on the museum floor.
---

However, they did give me the e-mail to what they said as the "photo "go to guy"", and I'm going to try him to see if I can get some pictures.

I'll send a formal e-mail once I've got more info.