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WilhelmSchulz.
05-02-2006, 07:47 PM
Im thinking of geting a Mosin Nagant rifle for a hunting rifle. But some of my frends are saying get the kar98. Wich should I get? NO BIAS!

HeibgesU999
05-02-2006, 08:00 PM
What are you going to be hunting?

blastomatic1759
05-02-2006, 08:34 PM
Personally i like the Mauser better, for certain resaons , the bolt pull is smoothe , the reloading is alot easier , those stripper clips for the Mosin can be stubborn sometimes. and the trigger pull on the Mosin is a bit stiff. Not to say it isnt a bad gun , my favorite out of all my bolt actions is the Mosin Nagant M44. theres nothing more annoying than that thing. ive ran people out from under the pavillion at the shooting range with it , due to the muzzle blast. but its all in what you want. ammo for both are abundant , and not that pricey.

Josef_Schwejk
05-03-2006, 05:37 AM
Of Course the Mosin Nagant!

Forget that Damn Nazi Gun!
Get the Russian one!

Silva_Bullet
05-03-2006, 05:52 AM
Go with the K98. No offence to the Russkies, but the best rifle to come out of Russia was the AKM, which is STILL the best rifle in the world today, but WWII era, either go for the M1 Garand or the K98.

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 06:57 AM
Sigh! A 16 year old American kid can get almost any rifle he wants. Meanwhile, a 44 year old Canadian must file umpteen number of forms in order to get even a chance to purchase a firearm and is then restricted in what he can buy. Most Canadians would agree with that. Constitutional rights, there's the big difference between our two countries.

The_Silent_O
05-03-2006, 07:39 AM
My buddy and I were talking the other day how advanced the M1 Garand was for it's day...which morphed into the M14 that the US Army still uses today. Watch the 5 episode (I think) of "Band of Brothers" where LT Winters unloads about two clips with his Garand...you'll be sold.

Go for the Garand...that way you don't have to manually load the next round with the bolt. Bolting the next round may make your prey BOLT!

Disclaimer: I have never been a personal gun owner, but obviously have experience with weapons. And I've never been a hunter. So take my advice sparingly.

Josef_Schwejk
05-03-2006, 08:24 AM
I never owned a Gun, and never Huntet animals. It's Strange. I Would have no mercy with a Criminal who try's to Steal my Pc (Headshot Time!), but i would NEVER Fire at a Animal.

Well, I only Fired a Few Bullets at a Firing Range. With a Mosin Nagant.

But the American laws that Every Idiot can buy a gun Suck!

There Should be more Controles.
Like it Canada!

In America there are thousands of People Die in a year Just cos Everione can have a Gun.
In Canada only About 100.

That Says it All!

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 09:44 AM
First, let's correct the spelling. It is Moisin Nagant.

The difference in murder rates between the US and Canada has less to do with the legal availability of firearms than it has to do with attitudes with respect to violence. Any person acquainted with the history of the founding of both the United States and Canada knows that there is a philosophical difference between the national psyche of the two. The United States fought a revolutionary war to get out from under a repressive regime. It was basically a nation built by the power of the gun, from the initial settling of the nation, its Revolutionary War and Indian wars and expansionist wars. The gun is a part of the American soul, for good or bad depending on your perspective. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally guaranteed right which is jealously protected as equally or more vociferously than the right to a free press.

Canada was founded by elements mainly loyal to the Crown. From our earliest days we had a strong Royal presence and loyalty thereto. Those who sided with the Crown in the American War of Independance migrated north to Canada and were known as the United Empire Loyalists. We had a very respected presence of law and order through the early Northwestern Mounted Police, affectionately now referred to as "The Mounties." We did not have the same Wild West experience as the US. I can't think of any Canadian equivalent to Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp, etc. We are two nations born to the same parents who chose different paths to national sovereignty.

Sadly, that is changing in Canada. The vast majority of our gun crime is handgun crime, mostly committed by Blacks and Asians of foreign extraction. Some may take exception to that and call me racist, but the facts speak for themselves. We have a strong criminal element of Jamaicans and certain Asian groups who run in gangs, deal drugs and commit crime with illegally owned firearms, mainly handguns. The amount of criminal acts by owners of legally owned and registered firearms is statistically insignificant. That is one reason why our new Prime Minister is committed to scrapping the national firearms registry.

Ultimately, it is the criminal intent that spurs gun crime. It is not the ubiquity of firearms, but the violent intent of criminals that drives gun crime. Canada's gun crime has skyrocketed hand in hand with the influx of certain immigrant groups, amongst whom have arrived a criminal element.

I cannot prove it statistically, but I would bet that the vast amount of gun crime in the US is committed by felons, not the average citizen who exercises his right to own firearms as constitutionally intended. Statistics are bearing my assertion in Canada: almost all gun crime is committed by people who have illegally acquired firearms.

Now, under the guise of "terrorism" certain elements in the US are trying to usurp the constitutionally guaranteed rights of US citizens. They desire to scare the citizen into giving up their rights for "security." Do you really think that 9-11 was committed entirely by Arab terrorists? If you examine all of the evidence you will begin to suspect that those attacks were suspiciously abetted by someone with a hidden agenda. If you look at 9-11 and ask the question "who benefits?" you will not have to look far. Think al-Qaeda? Guess again. There is an insidious movement afoot in the US to rob it of its freedoms that have been cherished for over 200 years. The right to bear arms was enshrined in the consititution for a reason; to protect the citizenry from big government.

Want to read some thought-provoking ideas about 9-11? Check these links:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

http://www.thepowerhour.com/

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/challenge.html

Now go ahead and tell me that you really believe that FEMA and the White House are telling you the "truth."

Josef_Schwejk
05-03-2006, 10:59 AM
HOLY SHEEP!

America Sux! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

bunkerratt
05-03-2006, 11:25 AM
to be honest..i would go with the k98...first it's a better built weapon...most mosin's i have worked are crude piles of ****..the mosin fires a very heavy round...and kicks hard...the 98 is a more accurate weapon...as i was a marine scout/sniperand worked with many weapons...you may also find that some ammo for the mosin is corrosive ..cheap eastern bloc junk...as far as the comment about the akm..it's called an assualt rifle ..designed to meet and engage a target at or less than 300 yds..i own a springfeild armory m1a1 match grade..as far as mr josef schwejk's comments...if you don't live here..don't *****..my country may not be right in all it's actions..however..not any moron can go buy a weapon..as you stated...your comment about a headshot ..real mature..i wouldn't let you own a water pistol.. if you have never fired a weapon in anger at another human being...or been shot at by another being..keep your soup cooler shut...also hunting helps feed my family..i love animals.they are really tasty...and if youi must know..yes..i have ended the lives of 3 humans...does it bother me ..no..it was a job..better them than me .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 11:30 AM
I don't think "America" sucks; I think the people who are trying to hijack America are the ones who suck. I'm a conservative person by nature; that's just the way I lean, so I tend to lean more toward the Republican side by default [isn't that funny? a Canadian Republican?] But the acts being perpetrated by this current gang in the White House are outrageous. I know a lot of average American folk rally 'round the flag when the boys go overseas and I think that sentiment is being taken advantage of by those who are pulling the strings.

The "idea" of America, to me, is quite idealistic: a nation-state of citizens represented by a constitutionally elected government and a bill of rights. The idea is great but it is being badly mangled in the translation.

Celeon999
05-03-2006, 11:47 AM
Do you really want to hunt with it ?

If you just want a decoration look here (http://www.modelguns.co.uk/rifles.htm)

They have also 1:1 metal models of Assault Rifles and SMG´s but some of them are really expensive http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Shoei a company from Japan produces the best 1:1 models in the world. They produce them with use of original blueprints and only use original materials. Unbelievable Quality ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The company had alot of problems with selling their weapons in many countrys. They simply look too realistic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Look at the detail their replicas have !

You can completely field strip them insert original deko ammunition and fully cycle it. Only thing : They dont shoot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

These are the weapons they use in the ww-2 movies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Ive used some spare parts from Shoei myself to complete my K98 and they fit perfectly ! No better way to proof their high quality standards. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


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bunkerratt
05-03-2006, 11:49 AM
wilhelm...also ..if you are not in the know about weapons...before you buy..have a gunsmith check the headspace and muzzle crown on what ever you decide to buy..very important!!!!!!!!!....also the condition of the lands and grooves http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mrwafro
05-03-2006, 12:00 PM
Kaleun1961
The difference in murder rates between the US and Canada has less to do with the legal availability of firearms than it has to do with attitudes with respect to violence....

Kaleun, I juat want to say thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif As a proud American, I really think you have a good, accurate view of how America is. Everything you said is right on the money and very well put. It is refreshing to know that someone has his mind snugly wrapped around reality, especially since America-Bashing seems to be coming in vogue lately.

As for the original post, go for the K98 man.

HeibgesU999
05-03-2006, 12:14 PM
I would go with the M1 Garand. My old shooting coach captained the Vermont NRA rifle team to victory, and the prize were accurized M1 Garands. Absolutely beautiful rifles.

But if you are hunting black bear or deer, I would go with a Remingston, Stevens Savage, or Ruger bolt action 30-30 or maybe a 30-06. My 8mm might be a little too high velocity for hunting in brush.

You can get the Mauser action on an amazing number of stocks in an amazing number of calibres. I used to have a beautiful 300 Winchester Magnum with a mauser action on a composite stock i used for long range plinking.

The_Silent_O
05-03-2006, 12:26 PM
K1961 is proving himself to be the most northern Texan I know...and that's a compliment. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

"Texans always move them" GEN Robert E. Lee, Battle of the Wilderness, May 6, 1864.

I think in more proper terms you'd consider yourself a Conservative Civil Libertarian...one who is against big government spending and believes in the core values of our Constitution.

bunkerratt
05-03-2006, 12:45 PM
if you want...look @cal.6.5x55 swiss i have a 1909 swiss mauser here also...very sweet and deadly @ranges out to 1000 yds..it was and i belive still the caliber of choice for many hunters in europe..a very well made weapopn..i use norma match grade ammo for this weapon...it's also my deer rifle.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
05-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Well the M1 is too expensev for my(more like my dad's) check book. I was going to hunt deer with it.

And isint the kar round biger the Nagant?
The Nagant is 7.62
The kar98 is a 7.98 I think.
How much dose a kar go for anyway?


Edit: FYI my dad has a 30.06 Savage rifle.

Celeon999
05-03-2006, 01:10 PM
The original K98k had 8.57 Wehrmacht standard but was modified to 7.92 and other calibers by foreign countrys after the war.

So you have to look for that !

blacknight12345
05-03-2006, 01:18 PM
no the AK-47 is the best assault weapon ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

HeibgesU999
05-03-2006, 01:18 PM
I would go with a Savage 30-30. That was my first hunting rifle for Whitetail deer. 50yds is a long shot hunting in the woods.

You don't realy need a 30-06 for deer.

But if you live in Colorado or Wyoming and will be shooting from 400yds that is another story.

Savage gives you good bang for the buck so to speak. Pretty cheap compared to Remingtons's and Rugers, but still excellent quality.

Whatever you get, make sure the stock is not made out of pine. A real shame about Winchesters that way.

HeibgesU999
05-03-2006, 01:20 PM
The mauser action is the most common/copied action in the history of firearms I believe.

Used on more calibres on more rifles than any other.

Celeon999
05-03-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by HeibgesU999:
The mauser action is the most common/copied action in the history of firearms I believe.

Used on more calibres on more rifles than any other.


Yep. Overall about 14 million have been produced (And it gets still build in a hunt sport version).

Some countrys i know who produced it :

Czechoslovakia
Peoples Republic of China (For use against contra revolutionary imperialist elements and other pigs) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Israel
Turkey
Belgium
Poland
Norway
France (In germany for France produced after the war)

And surely a lot more

It still pops up in modern wars , for example in use by african armys , exile cubans paramilitay groups or your local revolution militia around the corner http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
05-03-2006, 01:29 PM
When I was reading the thread I looked at K61's posts and though ****, hes hijacking it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif But it turned out this was the Flight 93 thread.http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i29/WilhelmSchulz-/U.gif

Realjambo
05-03-2006, 01:31 PM
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Im thinking of geting a Mosin Nagant rifle for a hunting rifle. But some of my frends are saying get the kar98. Wich should I get? NO BIAS!

If you were to say that here in the UK someone would probably call the police, run home and hide under their dining table!

I'm not knocking you Willhelm, don't get me wrong my friend, it just raised my eyebrows when I read it. May I ask, out of curiosity, as a resident of a country where gun laws are extreme to say the least - and probably for the good, what you'd hunt, where, and how your parents feel about it? (I recall you saying you are at College so I'm guessing you're kinda 16-18 yrs old?)

Take this as I have meant it please, there is no sarcasm intended, I'm just intrigued.

bunkerratt
05-03-2006, 01:36 PM
the mosin is a big round.it has a "r"designation...aka the base of the round has a large rim..i had the dam carbine version ..with the bayonet ..belive me..go with the 98..the mosin is a pain in the *** after about 10 rounds on the range with it to sight it in ...well...i'll let you find out...honestly..go with the 98..or a savage .a good 98 should go for about 300 bucks...depending of the grade you choose..around the same as a savage..for the price..as with any surplus weapon..have it looked over..by some one you trust with weapons..have you thought about a lee/enfield.303 british?..it's also a very good weapon.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

bunkerratt
05-03-2006, 01:43 PM
do NOT buy any sks's or weapons made by a firm named NORINCO made in china ..soft recivers and parts..the heat treat sucks and the things are good for about 300 rounds before they go to ****..or blow up in your face..however a real russian made sks is still a good grab for the money.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
05-03-2006, 01:47 PM
what you'd hunt
Wight tail deer

and how your parents feel about it?
My dad got me into hunting(and Im 16)

[Elite]cobrae
05-03-2006, 02:46 PM
In my opinion it all depends on what kind of rifle exactly .... some countrys made them better than others ..... I own a Chinese T-53 Carbine ...basicly the Chinese version of the M44 ... and a 1917 German Gew 98 8mm ... and I must say I like the Nagant alot but it is extremely loud ... On the other hand Mausers are extremely customizeable .

My Nagant is verey accurate at 50-200 Yards with open sights and the recoil is not too bad but you will not want to take more than 3 shots as I went deaf for 2 hours after 5 shots without ear plugs .... I use it to hunt Whitetail Deer and it doesnt slow me down in the woods unlike a long rifle would but it still has the stopping power and range for such hunting .... There is also Scout kits avaleable that do not harm the rifle for mounting a scope and keeping its value...


As for my Mauser I cant say much because the bore is ruined ....

corporal342
05-03-2006, 02:49 PM
Crazy how no one has mentioned getting a 1903 Springfield, No.1 MKIII, or a No.4 MKI. .30-06 and .303 are two of the most popular hunting rounds in the world. And there is plenty of variety in the ammo market. You tailor your downrange power and performance so as to not over power a shot on a whitetail.

Wilhem:
I started shooting on surplus Enfields and Springfields. Both are reasonably priced. And good deals can be found on surplus Enfields. Go to a gun show and price out some rifles, pick them up and get a feel for there wait, and think about how ballistics of the round will perform for you.
A good surplus rifle can hit the X's alot more than most think.

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 03:08 PM
Thanks for your compliments, mrwafro and Otto, glad you appreciated mine. It's difficult to find an average person who can read through the propaganda these days and not be a Yankee basher. Our Canadian media is guilty of this sort of thing, and worse are the idiot opposition politicians who see every conservative plan to reduce taxation as leading us down the road to "becoming like Americans." Then there's the leftist bias that pervades the schools and universities. This elitist attitude toward America by too many Canadians is something of which I am ashamed.

I served briefly [one year] as a reservist rifleman, so I became quite familiar with firearms. My brother is a hunter and sportsman who taught me how to shoot before I served. I've eaten game and fish that he brought home, and like BR says, I like animals too; they taste nice. The anti-hunting lobby are a bunch of wingnuts. A wild animal lives freely until it dies, at the hands of another animal or perhaps by a hunter's bullet. Far more to be said than the cow or pig that lives penned up before it is slaughtered. Ever seen how barbaarically veal calves are treated? Makes me sick; I won't eat veal.

Jambo, you may be fascinated by American hunters. People here in North America are likewise fascinated by English soccer hooligans. Who was it who said that "Americans and Britons are two peoples divided by a common language?" Not taking a jab here either, my wife is English and I've been there a number of times, even got married over there.

I never became a hunter and I don't own firearms, but I do respect the rights of others to do so. I get really ticked off by the anti hunting crowd and protesters in general. Their real agenda is they don't like what others do and would like to have the power to make other people live according to their dictates. No thanks, not for me.

P.S. Wilhelm: whichever rifle you get, best of luck with it.

HeibgesU999
05-03-2006, 03:27 PM
The thing about the anti-hunting movement, is that beyond not wanted them hunted, they could care less about animals.

Money from hunting and fishing licenses supports most of the wildlife habitat in the united states.

Without Ducks Unlimited for instance there would be precious few wetland in North America today.

WilhelmSchulz.
05-03-2006, 03:50 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Stop hijacking it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Now I want to go paly COD2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

J_Weaver
05-03-2006, 05:12 PM
To answer the original poster's question, its a tough call, they both are good rifles. Personally, I'd go for the Mauser. They are the best bolt action rifles ever made. However, I find the sights of the Mauser a bit hard to see in low light conditions. I like the sights on the Mosin Nagant better, but the action isn't as smooth.

IMO, if your hunting in a wooded area where shots will be fairly colse (100 yards or so) a good lever gun is something to look at. They are smaller, lighter and easier to carry than a full size military rifle. One chamber in 30-30 or .44mag would do nicely.

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 05:18 PM
Gee, how many times are you people going to keep misspelling it? It's Moisin Nagant. See? There's an "i" after the "o." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kaleun1961
05-03-2006, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Stop hijacking it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Now I want to go paly COD2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

You should get a job with the FAA.

blastomatic1759
05-03-2006, 06:42 PM
i cant remember what i paid for my Mausers but it was less than $250 i think , the Mosin was cheaper , i paid $106 for the M44. both are available in full length and carbine, but the loud factor definitely goes to the M44 mosin that things great when it comes to noise.

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WilhelmSchulz.
05-03-2006, 07:02 PM
Ok so most WWII bolt actions?

blastomatic1759
05-03-2006, 07:09 PM
come to think of it if you want a really nice bolt action the K31 Schmidt Rubin is sweet.and really accurate. theyre cool enough that i had to buy 3 of them. of course one has a peep sight , ones got a scope and ones open sights. but its a really fine rifle , and its some of the cleanest ammo ive shot so far. gotta love the swiss.

J_Weaver
05-03-2006, 07:13 PM
Yes, most rifles in WWII were bolt action. The US was the first to have a semi-auto rifle. By 1943/44 the Germans were issuing the G-43 and the Russians the STV-40.

Blastomatic, nice collection! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Looks like you have a Turkish Mauser along with a VZ-24. Right?

The_Silent_O
05-03-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
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If you were to say that here in the UK someone would probably call the police, run home and hide under their dining table!

I'm not knocking you Willhelm, don't get me wrong my friend, it just raised my eyebrows when I read it. May I ask, out of curiosity, as a resident of a country where gun laws are extreme to say the least - and probably for the good, what you'd hunt, where, and how your parents feel about it? (I recall you saying you are at College so I'm guessing you're kinda 16-18 yrs old?)

Take this as I have meant it please, there is no sarcasm intended, I'm just intrigued.

here's a girl half Wilhelm Schultz's age...

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Full story...
Girl, 8, Credited With Year's 1st Bear Kill
2 Rounds Did In the 211-Pound Animal, Third-Grader From Western Md. Says

By Nelson Hernandez
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 25, 2005; B03



MOUNT NEBO, Md., Oct. 24 -- There's a new hunting legend in the mountains of Western Maryland.

Born to the woods, she's 4 1/2 feet tall and 8 years old, with a shock of light brown hair and a steady trigger finger that put two bullets into a black bear's chest cavity Monday, according to her and her father and granduncle, who were hunting with her. State officials backed the claim by Sierra Stiles and credited her with the first kill of Maryland's second bear season since hunting the animals resumed after a half-century ban.

Maryland Department of Natural Resources officials, waiting to take measurements and tissue samples from the bears at a wildlife management center here, shook their heads in amazement at the news that the first hunter to bag a bear was a third-grade girl from Kitzmiller, on Maryland's border with West Virginia.

Sierra recounted here how she shot the 211-pound bear from 50 yards away with her .243-caliber rifle. "I was scared," she said, then paused for dramatic emphasis. "Because bears will eat anything!"

With evidence that the bear population has rebounded after nearly being wiped out in the early 1900s, Maryland is allowing hunters to kill 40 to 55 bears this season. This is up from a haul of 20 bears last year, when hunters met the quota in one day. The season is likely to last a few days longer because of the higher quota and abysmal weather: It was raining, then snowing, Monday in Western Maryland.

Early on, the hunt did not appear very promising: At least one hunter quit because of the weather, and animal rights advocates in bear suits protested in front of the natural resources headquarters in Annapolis.

Then at 9:50 a.m., Sierra, wet and shivering, arrived at the Mount Nebo Wildlife Management Area with her father and granduncle in a red Ford F-150 pickup. They backed into a small garage, and game workers hoisted the bear's carcass out of the truck's bed with a hanging hook.

Donald Stiles beamed as his daughter, dressed in hunters' camouflage with a fluorescent orange vest, told how she skipped school to shoot the male bear.

After winning one of 200 bear-hunting permits granted by lottery this year -- and acing the required safety test with a score of 98 -- Sierra recalled being rousted out of bed by her mother at 4:58 a.m., wolfing down a bowl of cereal and heading outside, to a field on her granduncle's farm. They waited two hours in the bush under a steady, cold rain.

"I was dragging," Sierra said.

It got a bit brighter as the sun glowed sullenly through a thick blanket of clouds, she said. Sierra's granduncle, Robert Harvey, saw a dark shadow in the distance, but he didn't know what it was. Her father thought it was a bear.

"I froze up," she recalled. Regaining her composure, Sierra stood behind a tree, waiting until the bear was about 50 yards away, she said. Then she took careful aim and squeezed the trigger. The bullet struck the bear behind the shoulder. Unfazed by the rifle's light recoil, she said, she ejected the casing, reloaded and fired another round.

It hit. The bear ran about 150 feet before collapsing.

"I was really, really, really happy," Sierra exclaimed. "They won't eat now. They won't eat a thing."

She described her feat to a group of natural resources officials and reporters at the Mount Nebo center. Harry Spiker, who manages the hunt for the natural resources department, said he had no doubt that Sierra shot the bear. He said he'd heard lots of tall tales from hunters and had learned to distinguish the credible from the inflated.

If Sierra seems like a natural, it's probably because she is. Her father remembers carrying her out to hunt raccoon with him when she was 1 month old. But even he's never killed a bear, and the only bears Sierra had seen before Monday were in zoos.

After a trip to a taxidermist, she'll be able to see one all the time: She plans to take the stuffed bear home.

The Humane Society of the United States, which has urged Maryland Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) to ban bear hunts, expressed concern Monday over the age of the hunter and noted that the first bear killed last year was a young bear.

"Governor Ehrlich is personally responsible for exposing young children and young bears to this cruelty," read the news release.

But hunters who came later, hauling bears of their own, were astonished by Sierra's feat of marksmanship -- usually bears will start to run too fast for a hunter to get off a second shot. And the bears weren't lulled into complacency by the 51-year moratorium, said Paul Peditto, director of DNR's wildlife and heritage service.

"Bears perceive humans as a threat, period," he said. "They don't know the difference between a human who's just out in the woods and someone who is hunting," viewing all as a possible danger to their feeding area.

So how did Sierra make the shot? "I'm fast at everything," she explained.

"I can't imagine the pride," said Tim Kvech, 31, the second hunter to bring in a bear. "My daughter's 9, and I can't do that."

The third hunter to come in -- and the third to arrive in a red pickup -- was Tera Roach, 23, a Reisterstown, Md., native. She had trapped two bears in Maine, but the bear she shot Monday, a 147-pound female, was her first bear kill in Maryland.

Hearing of Sierra's feat, Roach said, "That's good to see any kids out there, especially girls."

"The ladies are taking over," Peditto observed. "And it's a good thing."
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For some families in the USA, it's a traditional skill passed from one generation to the next. A valued skill, like knitting and dressing game.

It's also a necessity to protect both humans and farm animals in some places here...

Celeon999
05-04-2006, 02:11 AM
What about Celeon´s hunting equipment ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon needs it not for hunting animals but for hunting humans that ring on his door to sell him something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Since these nasty religious sect freaks wear body armors and kevlar helmets Celeon was in need of more firepower. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1149/pic134328wd.jpg



Or you could take the new weapon from Heckler and Koch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Designed to finally replace the aging M4 series and become the new main contract supplier of the us.army http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

For those amored armed bears you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/630/41614main9au.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9812/416101main8rh.jpg

blastomatic1759
05-04-2006, 05:14 AM
what no mausers?

Celeon999
05-04-2006, 07:40 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Thats not really Celeon´s stuff. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ive found that pic on an America´s Army fanpage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Its the collection of an crazy Softair gun fan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kaleun1961
05-04-2006, 08:19 AM
"For those amored armed bears you know."

Well, if I ever met an "amored" bear, I would want some heavy firearms too. I'm really not interested in that kind of relationship with a ***** bear. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
05-04-2006, 08:42 AM
Celeon´s english knowledge strikes back again ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

!!!armoured!!! Thats the word i was searching for. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Next time im just saying gepanzerter B¤r and you know what im talking about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Kaleun1961
05-04-2006, 10:52 AM
Between your English and WS's spelling there's lots of material here for humour. All in good fun of course.

The_Silent_O
05-04-2006, 12:06 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

actually, CEL is probably a bit offended since the Bear (or Bar) is the symbol of his home city.

"Run away...it's an eight year old american girl with a rifle!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Country_symbol_de-Berlin_color.png/300px-Country_symbol_de-Berlin_color.png

Which leads me to a question, other than the Berlin Zoo, do bears actually live in the wild around Berlin???

Celeon999
05-04-2006, 12:36 PM
Nope.

But we have lots of wild boars. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You know that Celeon´s post socialistic house stands next to a huge forest.

When it gets dark they often come into the neighbourhood in search for food http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif They normally disappear into the forest again at sunrise , are completely harmless and try to avoid humans whenever they can.

But they can get pretty dangerous when they have baby pigs with them. Then its better to go out of their way , they will attack anyone that gets to close to them.

Celeon already had many encounters with them on his way to work in the morning http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But Celeon was clever , made http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif and handed the street over to them.

Talking about post-socialism : I heard ol´ double U was "fascinated" by Merkel´s life in the GDR ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6744/800pxzwijntje9mr.jpg

The_Silent_O
05-05-2006, 09:21 AM
CEL...did you accidentally post a photo of your girlfriend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ... She's...UMMM...Pretty? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
05-05-2006, 09:46 AM
Wait till she hears that ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Kaleun1961
05-05-2006, 09:58 AM
Otto, that was a boar. Perhaps you were referring to this:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/K-61/Comedy%20Pics/worstbum.jpg

Yeah, I know I ran that once before, but I thought we could use a chuckle.

Celeon999
05-05-2006, 10:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


My eyes! MY EYES !!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Kaleun1961
05-05-2006, 10:31 AM
Yeah, it does make you want to gouge your eyes out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BueJack
05-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Past company profiles...
Director: I'm taking leave for the next week..
Secretary: So what are you going to MURDER this time ??
Director: hopefully a couple of springbok
Secretary: My favourite Rugby team, anything else??

And on Sunday mass (church = RC0 the Directors there.. 'praying'... then he's gone for a week.
The next week he's back at work...
He's Irish-ZA, yet he feels guilty about 'pluggin' a bok (deer)or 2 in the brain. Then he goes to 'mass' again, and feels better about the dirty-deed (observation).......

Conversation..
Do you own a gun ?
No!..
Why ??
When I have a gun is when I'm going to kill something/someone, until then, I have no need for a gun...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

blastomatic1759
05-07-2006, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by J_Weaver:
Yes, most rifles in WWII were bolt action. The US was the first to have a semi-auto rifle. By 1943/44 the Germans were issuing the G-43 and the Russians the STV-40.

Blastomatic, nice collection! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Looks like you have a Turkish Mauser along with a VZ-24. Right?


yep its turkish , all the way to the lettering on the rear site , to which i cant understand to save my life. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif the other wall looks better than that one.