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Mysticpuma2003
06-12-2006, 01:53 AM

lowfighter
06-12-2006, 02:07 AM
I would be delighted...

carguy_
06-12-2006, 02:12 AM
No.And I hope this one man crusade ends before I`m forced to pay another 20$ for nothing.

WOLFMondo
06-12-2006, 02:31 AM
I sure would. The B29 was also completed and I'd love to fly that too.

EURO_Snoopy
06-12-2006, 03:33 AM
I still believe this project is best reserved for the Storm Of War, but if there is any chance of it for FB then these guys (http://rrgstudios.com/EN_01_01_News.shtml) may be your best point of contact.

ImpStarDuece
06-12-2006, 03:48 AM
No.

As much as I'd like to see them in the game, the maps are too small and the damage model too limited for serious heavy bomber ops.

I'd much rather pay for something like a medium bomber expansion. Adding another Ju-88 bomber variant, a Ju-88 fighter variant, a solid nose/strike B-25 variant, a bomber Mosquito variant with 2 stage Merlins, a glass nose A-20 variant, a Do-217 and maybe a couple of B-26 variants would be much better and more useful to offline and online play than any two heavy bombers.

WOLFMondo
06-12-2006, 04:17 AM
Solid nose B25 and B26...that would be a nice expansion.

269GA-Veltro
06-12-2006, 04:17 AM
No, absolutely no.

I want close ASAP with the IL2 serie and begin the new BoB era, waiting for Malta. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BTW, a new P-47 cockpit would have been a nice additon, as for the G-55, Hawk-75, new 109 and Stuka cockpit, better DM for the most representative fighters in IL2...ecc. ecc.. ecc.. They have decided to work on a new addon...a jets addon...when they could solve other problems, and improve what we have now in IL2.

I've still fun with IL2, but i want close with it as soon as possible.

OD_79
06-12-2006, 04:19 AM
Unless we could fly the long missions I see little point for them, they're hardly a tactical aircraft.
If we had a theatre wide map like CFS3 on the otherhand then I would be all for it. As we don't though and the twin engined bombers are hard enough to shoot down with super AI gunners I think AI B-17s/B-24s/B-29s are fine.
Sorry,

OD.

danjama
06-12-2006, 04:53 AM
Finland and Berlin are huge maps, amongst others.

The "maps too small" argument is obsolete anyway, considering that airstarts are available.

I really cant see any negative to building some bombers for the game. It would also bring a nice earner to Olegs team.

I'd love to see a B17 and/or B26!

WOLFMondo
06-12-2006, 04:53 AM
I'd say both could be considered tactical aircraft in the Pacific. B17's were pioneering in skip bombing and B24's performed low level straifing runs. About as tactical as a B25 ever got.

Megile_
06-12-2006, 05:00 AM
Remove P-51s from the game please.

We have no flights from Kent to Berlin

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I'm indifferent. I'll fly them and kill them in antons.. its all good.

lowfighter
06-12-2006, 05:08 AM
I'm wondering how many people around fly preponderently or at least in a decent proportion birds like He111 and TB3 (the only true bombers in the game)?

WOLFMondo
06-12-2006, 06:20 AM
The B25 is about a true a bomber as it gets. Its got a bomb sight and carries bombs does it not?

I fly regularly with a freind who only flies bombers. he gets his knickers in a twist when you ask him to fly a single engined plane.

Bearcat99
06-12-2006, 06:58 AM
AS much as I would love to see it and certainly would buy it in a heartbeat.. I agree with Snoop... it would better serve us all if this were do e for BoB... for all the reasons mentioned.... Now if it came to the point where they were doing preliminary cockpits for BoB and eanted to grace us with the pre BoB designs... great... but most guys dont realize how much work it takes to do a cockpit like that... I didnt either until someone pointed it out to me....

lowfighter
06-12-2006, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
The B25 is about a true a bomber as it gets. Its got a bomb sight and carries bombs does it not?



Sure you are right, I used the word "true" for bombers which can't do much "aerobatics" below 100 m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif . B25 can be used to dogfight a little too...

I estimate my flying time in things like B25, Ju88 etc at about 10%.

csThor
06-12-2006, 08:21 AM
No, no and no again.

a) The planes simply dont't fit the game's profile (= tactical warfare) as they were first and foremost strategical bombers.
b) The maps are too small - airstart/end is not a viable option.
c) If introduced anyway they'd be probably misused as ackstars or for some dweebish "let's carpet the next airfield from 500m" nonsense.

For this engine it would be a waste of time and ressources.

danjama
06-12-2006, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by csThor:
No, no and no again.

a) The planes simply dont't fit the game's profile (= tactical warfare) as they were first and foremost strategical bombers.
b) The maps are too small - airstart/end is not a viable option.
c) If introduced anyway they'd be probably misused as ackstars or for some dweebish "let's carpet the next airfield from 500m" nonsense.

For this engine it would be a waste of time and ressources.

how is airstart not viable?

lowfighter
06-12-2006, 09:01 AM
Yeah, perhaps we should wait for that simulation which allows us to fly a B17 3 hours to target and back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif
The stangs pilots will be merry too to cover us for those 6 hours.
Luftwaffe will go for a beer first and take off 2 hours later http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

csThor
06-12-2006, 09:17 AM
For me airstart = not using the plane within its historical limits. Airstart is gaming the game ...

lowfighter - I know you meant that as a joke, but that is exactly what would be necessary for a historical and accurate representation of what these planes did. Anything less would be arcade, gamey, fillinappropriatewordshere and a waste of ressources.
Of course I am aware of the problems for "coop-style" missions, but IMO a server model as in most Massive Multiplayer Games (= a Il-2 DF Server with AI planes/objects) is the better alternative, anyway.

LEBillfish
06-12-2006, 09:30 AM
The theme of this series is "direct ground attack"....Fighters to counter that, then eventually AI heavies simply filling in to make better use of the significant number of fighters........Really, only the Betty is not direct ground attack (as even the He111 was intended to be a low level blitz bomber) yet was the most well known of Japanese bombers (though the Ki-48 being a dive bomber would have been wiser).....

Personally I can think of a whole host of other planes that were significant and fit the scheme of the sim.......To make maybe 2-3 taking the same amount of time as a single heavy that would be "abused" in how it was flown.....

Abused in that few would take the time to get to altitude, stay in a tight group, on and on.....Frankly online I'd expect to see "B17" Stukas everywhere dive bombing from low alt..

More so............folks complain about "paying for the PE2/3"....Something that fits in the theme, has many uses, can be flown in any manner on and on............So if they are so unwilling to pay for something so flexible and needed, why would they pay for something so "inflexible" and un-needed.

That point alone erks me to no end........and the whining for the PE2 far exceeded any for the B17 to date.

PBNA-Boosher
06-12-2006, 09:52 AM
No. I probably wouldn't. FOUR ENGINE BOMBERS JUST DON'T FIT into this sim anyway. High Alt. flight models are wacko, nobody wants to make 8 cockpits per plane. I was in charge of the research for this project 3 TIMES! Each time the modeler gave up.

You'll get it, you'll have it for five minutes and then you'll be bored of it, asking for a flyable FW-200. It's not worth it. I've spent SO MUCH money on this game as it is. I'm buying the next 2 addons and then waiting for BoB.

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-12-2006, 09:52 AM
You'd have more fun in a Whirlwind. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Seriously, I'd prefer anything but the sci-fi garbage on the horizon.

jamesdietz
06-12-2006, 10:01 AM
Where do I send the check....am writing it as we speak! No Boonty box tho please!

horseback
06-12-2006, 10:02 AM
Of course I'd snap it up in a heartbeat -- even via Boonty Box download, but I'd hope we also got a Southern England map and a means to transition from map to map, or I'd be doing it primarily to satisfy my curiousity, and fly around the Gulf of Finland or Berlin maps.

Airstarts would seriously suck in aircraft that touchy, out of trim and too slow to stay in the air in the default mode...I lose 500m and several mph of airspeed in a Mustang or Lightning airstart in the QMB; God knows what I'd do with a Fortress!

cheers

horseback

AVGWarhawk
06-12-2006, 10:08 AM
I would like both bombers and would pay. Yes the maps are small and a few of the maps we have should be expanded some. Oleg might want to consider an add on to BoB after initial release. Sort of a continuance of the war after BoB occured. I can see that flying two hours on a large map is not the way to go. I would not have the time to do that. So the air start and smaller maps would work fine for me. I'm sure my squad would have blast with 10 in a B-17 over Berlin.

F0_Dark_P
06-12-2006, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
No, absolutely no.

I want close ASAP with the IL2 serie and begin the new BoB era, waiting for Malta. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

BTW, a new P-47 cockpit would have been a nice additon, as for the G-55, Hawk-75, new 109 and Stuka cockpit, better DM for the most representative fighters in IL2...ecc. ecc.. ecc.. They have decided to work on a new addon...a jets addon...when they could solve other problems, and improve what we have now in IL2.

I've still fun with IL2, but i want close with it as soon as possible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

jeanba2
06-12-2006, 10:12 AM
I voted no : for me, the FB engine is not capable of simulating strategic bombings

Frequent_Flyer
06-12-2006, 10:23 AM
If the estimated time of release for BOB is truely end of 2006, it would be a better fit in BOB assuming the 'high altitude' flight models and atmosphere will be closer to accurate. However, I would buy an add-on for this Sim.

SPLASH_1
06-12-2006, 10:52 AM
No to anymore heavies in fb not if it interfers with BOB.

But i would love maybe a graphics update to Mighty 8th as this has nothing to do with Oleg but this game still Rocks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

lowfighter
06-12-2006, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:

You'll get it, you'll have it for five minutes and then you'll be bored of it, asking for a flyable FW-200.

Not sure about that because we do have herds of all possible variants of a fighter but NO, yeah, absolutely NONE heavy bomber. Might be a blast even for online (which I don't really care). Imagine the Luftwaffe bliss eating them alive (how many AI B17 can you shoot down in a FWA4 with limited ammunition of course? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) Imagine also the joy of that " stuka" b17 (nice one LeBillfish, thanks for laugh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) which penetrates the defence and annihilates everything on the ground.

Personaly I don't care at all about the 46 add on for example. But a B17, hey this is a legend of WWII airwar!
And I don't care about all the AC which never saw combat or, at the WWII scale of conflict, had an insignifiant contribution, but which we do have in game. But hey B17...

jamesdietz
06-12-2006, 11:47 AM
Actaually I'd pay for a well thought out accurate & accurate historicallyAir War Germany campaign flying fighters from either or preferably both sides...with new maps & AI Aerial & Flak gunners that weren't uber gunners & large formations of B-17s & B-24s...etc etc.Of course I'd need a new rig to run it all & that won't happen til after SoVBoB so...oh well forget it...

swambast
06-12-2006, 11:59 AM
Yes, I would definitely pay for this, and love it.

Umm, sorry for stating the obvious, but couldn't the "Bomber" expansion pack possibly come with a new, big old giant flyable map specifically catering to bomber ops? Is that so illogical a concept?

GAU-8
06-12-2006, 12:23 PM
I would buy it.

the reason i push for this scenario so much is that, it will be YEARS before we get a flyable B-17 in B.O.B. /S.O.W. game IF at all.

how many other aircraft are in this sim that are high alt? quite a few. and a lot of you fly them.UP HIGH! i see no complaints there. but mention a bomber....and all of a sudden. the complaints come rolling in.

this IS THE encyclopedia of flight sims... they should be in. i can almost assure you, they will never be in B.O.B. yes the game engine can handle them better, but the amount of new detail oleg requests....who would do them THEN? really this current sim is our best alternative.

also, who cares if its flown ONCE after WE decide to purchase it? oleg has his money out of it. i bought PE-2 add-on. and i havent touched ANY new planes out of it.none. to me its just a patch. I will decide if i want to fly a B-17 once..or a hundred thousand times. WHY does it matter to those who have NO INTEREST..if we fly it once...or always? again, OLEG gets money out of the deal, and makes a large group of us happy.

woofiedog
06-12-2006, 01:03 PM
Yes in a Heart Beat... and Hopefully an A-26 and a B-26 is added to the list.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/B-26.jpg

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/02/images/interior_colours_us_22.jpg

StellarRat
06-12-2006, 01:07 PM
This whole argument about the maps being "too small" for heavy bombers is a bunch of horsepoo. The maps are "too small" for medium bombers already and some fighters could easily fly across and back many of them without even taking drop tanks. If you don't believe me take a fully fueled B-25 or P-51 and see how you can stay up there.

I notice a lot of people that don't want these planes are Luftlovers. I think the real reason is that they don't want to have to fight them online at high altitudes because that would be too hard, in-spite of realism of the situation.

jamesdietz
06-12-2006, 01:36 PM
Hey thats not true...we have them (B-17s & B-24s)now to fly against...but with no real 8th Air Force ( or 9th AF or 15thAF etc etc for B-25s or A-20s in Europe or B-29s in the Pacific either,)campaign that I know of( & believe me I have all the campaigns I'll ever need esp with DCG-IL-2 in its latest form...) but I'd love to have any & all new aircraft ...maybe even a Me-410 too,but without a great campaign or two,to really use these birds ....
I have enough sim flying ahead to last forever ..but a really well done fighter escort or Luftwaffe defensive European campaign well thats something someone could do now,uh...while waiting for your Big Bird dreams to come true....

marc_hawkins
06-12-2006, 03:32 PM
For the hell of it i'd take any period plane in this sim, but it being a question of priorities for limited time and resources, and me being somehow in a position to influence Oleg

(Via this perhaps http://www.r33b.net )

I would concentrate on the many other issues tha need addressing in this particular sim.

For me BOB is the future of the heavies.

RAF92_Moser
06-12-2006, 04:58 PM
I would have traded some of these planned payware expansions for a flyable U.S heavy. Would be fun wouldn't it? I mean these bombers are already in this sim, just not flyable, so you cannot argue that they don't belong. Airstarts are perfectly acceptable, you don't have to spend 55 minutes to get the B-29 to cruise altitude, so what if it isn't "historical".

In that case, I guess you need to wear an oxygen mask, stand on your head, roll on the floor a few times, wear a backpack full of rocks to simulate those g's, and have someone smack you in the side of head when you explode.

But perhaps, I'm dreaming, we aren't getting them, but damn, it would have been great.

WTE_Galway
06-12-2006, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by RAF92_Moser:

In that case, I guess you need to wear an oxygen mask, stand on your head, roll on the floor a few times, wear a backpack full of rocks to simulate those g's, and have someone smack you in the side of head when you explode.


Are you saying that wearing my flying helmet and googles when I take the I16 or P11c for a spin and setting up a fan blowing at my face and getting my GF to spray water into it when the game is set to thunderstorms might be a bit excessive ?

swambast
06-12-2006, 05:30 PM
I mean these bombers are already in this sim, just not flyable, so you cannot argue that they don't belong.

Damn, well put!


But perhaps, I'm dreaming, we aren't getting them, but damn, it would have been great.

Damn, I hope you're wrong - but my thoughts exactly!

RCAF_Irish_403
06-12-2006, 07:15 PM
Negative. Bring on BOB sez me

JamesBlonde888
06-12-2006, 07:28 PM
Only if it had Lancasters and Halifaxes too. I would be interested in Night ops.

TAW_Oilburner
06-12-2006, 09:36 PM
Yes without question.

masaker2005
06-13-2006, 02:34 AM
I would rather preffer one four-engined bomber than upcoming jet cr@p. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Low_Flyer_MkVb
06-13-2006, 03:53 AM
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swambast
06-13-2006, 07:03 AM
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CD_Metal_heaD
06-13-2006, 08:57 AM
no more damn aircraft for this game... if they need to make one more expansion they should fix the game not add more aircraft! there are loads with bug´s in this game, why add even more now when they are starting on a new seris!?

Mysticpuma2003
06-13-2006, 09:50 AM
Yes, I agree Metal head, but the B-17 and B-24 are already in the game, just not flyable.

I don't want a completely new plane, the B-17 is already there. It just needs to be flyable, as does the B-24.

In case i never stated it, I would snap up this expansion, if oleg could just Sanction it.

I didn't have to buy Battle over Europe, but I did.
This game still rocks the world of flight sims, and it will be ages before any US Heavy appears in BoB, so Oleg could/should pass this out to an external dev company, just to complete the Bombers of the US.

AVGWarhawk
06-13-2006, 09:56 AM
I would believe that after BoB is released, the IL2 series will go to the wayside and Oleg will work on expansion for BoB. I would not hold my breath waiting on the flyable B-17 or B-24 concering IL2.

jamesdietz
06-13-2006, 11:12 AM
Just don't interfere with BoB!

FI-Skipper
06-13-2006, 01:17 PM
I would buy it!MUch better than any of this cr@p about VVS '46.SUrely if this agme is all about realism we should have planes that actually saw action rather than nonsense jet planes no-one will fly....

JamesBlonde888
06-13-2006, 09:25 PM
Sim pilots UNITE against **** jet sims!!!

Beep beep you shot down another MiG. Whoopdy ****ing Doo

DuxCorvan
06-14-2006, 04:30 AM
Bla bla bla bla... it won't happen. Save your fingertips for more productive threads.

We'll have A-20C, that was made centuries ago. No more US bombers were completed before limit date, and Boeing is one of those 'sensitive' companies -you know what I'm talking about. So, no, there will be no flyables B-17, B-29 or B-26 in FB. Never ever. Learn to live with it.