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Shadom1990
01-16-2020, 07:50 PM
Hello, I'm new to the forums so i am not sure if this is the right section for it, but my message is for all ubisoft teams that have worked on ac series. I don't know if have consider making a game with inca or maya, there is so much potential there, you could connect it to the predicted "end of the world" on 21/12/2012 which Desmond prevented from happening, they also had pyramids, and the assassins mentor in black flag was maya, you could also connect it to previous games such as ac 3, black flag etc and at the same time tell us more about the first civilization. This could be more brutal and dark, with multiple survival and crafting mechanics, and we could learn more about these dead and forgotten civilisations, also you could have tamable animals like in ac origins and odyssey. I love ac game series, i have played them all (except from those for mobile phones) so i would definitely play an ac game like that. Think about it :D

WendysBrioche
02-03-2020, 04:36 AM
I know the creator of the franchise, Patrice Desilets originally wanted to take the series there and in that direction before he broke things off with Ubisoft. I kinda suspected the series was going to go there back when he was directing, but after he left the settings for the games kinda turned into more of a popularity contest for which setting will attract the most players and sales for every next game afterwards.

If Ragnarok rumors are true, they're going for the Skyrim market now.

I too, would like to see an Assassin's Game set in Pre-Colonial Americas, I think it would be a fantastic setting.

GameGuru2018
02-03-2020, 12:04 PM
Yes, good setting. But meeting of two civilizations would be more interesting! How could it happen that 500 europeans were able to conquer such a big and numerous country?! Only five hundreds against millions and millions!

I think Assassin's Creed of two civilizations meeting would be better!

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/19384_900.jpg

LDS_Darth_Revan
02-06-2020, 11:09 PM
Yes, good setting. But meeting of two civilizations would be more interesting! How could it happen that 500 europeans were able to conquer such a big and numerous country?! Only five hundreds against millions and millions!The Aztecs had a lot of enemies between the tribes under their control and their neighbors. Cortes used this and gathered them all together to make an army strong enough to conquer their capital Tenochtitlan. Didn’t know if you were genuinely asking or not.

LDS_Darth_Revan
02-06-2020, 11:13 PM
I could see a trilogy of games taking place in the America’s being very interesting. One with the Inca, one with the Aztec, and one with either the Maya or one of the big North American civilizations.

GameGuru2018
02-07-2020, 09:43 AM
The Aztecs had a lot of enemies between the tribes under their control and their neighbors. Cortes used this and gathered them all together to make an army strong enough to conquer their capital Tenochtitlan. Didn’t know if you were genuinely asking or not.

It was a rhetorical question!

There are many historical explanations and theories why and how exactly this could happen. But to give him credit, Cortez.......how cunning and smart he was! What a feeling of present day political situation. In foreign country! Evil Genius.

As for Aztecs.....I have mixed feeling.

Culture is rather interesting, misterious, beautiful and scary at the same time. Obsessed with such a thing as Death and practicing massive human sacrifice.

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Az1.jpg

Assassin's Creed there can be very beautiful and scary - contradictory. But, frankly speaking, I don't want to see the game and its story something like Mel Gibson's "Apocalypto" movie!
It was very biased. Anti-Mayan. Europeans came in the end as saviors. Gibson must have forgotten that european "salvation" cost millions and millions of native americans lives. In some places real genocide and extermination. Much, much worse than any religious sacrifices!

Anyway, place is very interesting. Special. Assassin's Creed always was something that was connected to Europe. Even Ancient Egypt, Middle East were somehow connected to Europe. Even Far East, China, Japan.......great silk road. People new about each other cultures from ancient times. Buddha statues were found in vikings settlements.

But Aztecs, Maya, Incs - were totally isolated. They're like from another planet. Even their mystical practices - walking dream state...

For me, it would be good setting. Ineresting, beautiful and tragic.

Olympus2018
02-11-2020, 11:34 AM
This thread reminds me of the Indian/Asian thread. The Assassins and the Templars are tied to a specific lore which is Eurocentric to the core. Just like the Ghost of Tsushima would have been ridiculous if it was placed in Paris, An Assassin or a Templar seems out of place, when his ancestry is not European/Mediterranean. The far East and the Far West are distant from the Ezio lore that so many of you praise. How about the Ghost of Tsushima 2: The London Samurai? How much sense would that make? If some of you consider Assassin's Creed Odyssey, not a proper AC title, how can you possibly suggest a Far East or Far West setting which has nothing to do with the Eurocentric Ezio trilogy?

cawatrooper9
02-12-2020, 08:48 PM
This thread reminds me of the Indian/Asian thread. The Assassins and the Templars are tied to a specific lore which is Eurocentric to the core. Just like the Ghost of Tsushima would have been ridiculous if it was placed in Paris, An Assassin or a Templar seems out of place, when his ancestry is not European/Mediterranean. The far East and the Far West are distant from the Ezio lore that so many of you praise. How about the Ghost of Tsushima 2: The London Samurai? How much sense would that make? If some of you consider Assassin's Creed Odyssey, not a proper AC title, how can you possibly suggest a Far East or Far West setting which has nothing to do with the Eurocentric Ezio trilogy?

Uhh, Olympus?

You might wanna check up on your lore, buddy. One of the coolest things about this series is how global it is, and the "Eurocentric" stuff is as ridiculous as it is completely false.

Ah Tabai (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Ah_Tabai), Mayan Assassin and Mentor of the West Indies Brotherhood
https://66.media.tumblr.com/7bd2f3948d4238487974724e68b155f9/tumblr_n9gsw2KP6O1tvmxg0o4_250.png

Shao Jun (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Shao_Jun), Avenger of the Chinese Brotherhood of Assassins
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/61/a8/7c61a8da0ff81a619f5dc9becb87d3e6.jpg

Abraaz Mir (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Arbaaz_Mir), Kashmiri Master of the Indian Brotherhood
https://pm1.narvii.com/6376/fa17620eca918ad806dc16712899fa9b590246ed_00.jpg

Adéwalé (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Ad%C3%A9wal%C3%A9), member of the West Indies Brotherhood of Assassins
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EPWVgCORC-Y/maxresdefault.jpg

Yusuf Tazim (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Yusuf_Tazim), Leader of the Ottoman Brotherhood
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OzQj-0fQNqs/hqdefault.jpg


Statues in the Auditore Sanctuary
Qulan Gal (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Qulan_Gal), Mongolian Assassin
Darius (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Darius), Persian proto-Assassin
Wei Yu (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Wei_Yu), Chinese Assassin
Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Alta%C3%AFr_Ibn-La%27Ahad), Mentor of the Levantine Brotherhood (also the original Assassin in the series, from a meta sense)
Amunet (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Amunet), Egyptian/Greek Assassin
Iltani (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Iltani), Persian proto-Assassin
Leonius (https://assassinscreed.fandom.com/wiki/Leonius), Roman Assassin

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/3/31/Sanctuary_v.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20121015232057


And many more. I'd suggest checking them out- lots of good stories in this series, and I'm surprised you've missed some of these! ;)

GameGuru2018
02-19-2020, 08:54 AM
This thread reminds me of the Indian/Asian thread. The Assassins and the Templars are tied to a specific lore which is Eurocentric to the core. Just like the Ghost of Tsushima would have been ridiculous if it was placed in Paris, An Assassin or a Templar seems out of place, when his ancestry is not European/Mediterranean. The far East and the Far West are distant from the Ezio lore that so many of you praise. How about the Ghost of Tsushima 2: The London Samurai? How much sense would that make? If some of you consider Assassin's Creed Odyssey, not a proper AC title, how can you possibly suggest a Far East or Far West setting which has nothing to do with the Eurocentric Ezio trilogy?

You think Assassin's Creed fans may not like Far Eastern exoticism? Used to european sights people may not like big open world of Far East or Far West? Cultural differences and so on?:confused:

I think good immersive game is good everywhere. Assassin's Creed in China, for example, with its beautiful mountains, temples, shaolin fighting and fencing.... would be very good.

At the very least, it can be two cultures meeting. Europeans coming to Far East or Far West. As trades, explores or warriors.

Olympus2018
02-20-2020, 11:13 AM
Actually, you both confirm my point. Non-European Assassins are only a minority in the series. Most protagonists are European, actually. Who has the entire list of all Assassins that appear in the games? Both the main protagonists and the others...

cawatrooper9
02-20-2020, 03:25 PM
Actually, you both confirm my point. Non-European Assassins are only a minority in the series. Most protagonists are European, actually. Who has the entire list of all Assassins that appear in the games? Both the main protagonists and the others...

Even if that were true (I wholeheartedly disagree)... so what?

If you've somehow managed to not see the examples listed here as significant (and hardly exhaustive, by the way), wouldn't it only serve to suggest that stories about non-Western Assassins could use more representation, since they're clearly established?

I mean, the myth that you suggested that the Brotherhood isn't global is thoroughly untrue, so why not tell more global stories?

Gotta say, that's a bizarre (and pretty concerning) take, Olympus. I'd suggest trying to broaden your perspective of the series- it really is a lot more interesting that way.

Olympus2018
02-20-2020, 05:25 PM
Even if that were true (I wholeheartedly disagree)... so what?


If you've somehow managed to not see the examples listed here as significant (and hardly exhaustive, by the way), wouldn't it only serve to suggest that stories about non-Western Assassins could use more representation, since they're clearly established?


I mean, the myth that you suggested that the Brotherhood isn't global is thoroughly untrue, so why not tell more global stories?


Gotta say, that's a bizarre (and pretty concerning) take, Olympus. I'd suggest trying to broaden your perspective of the series- it really is a lot more interesting that way.


My claim was never that Assassin's Creed did not have a global representation. I claimed it was euro-centric to the core, which is true.


The main ISU characters are Greco-Roman mythical entities like Minerva or Athena.
Most settings are Euro-centric: London, Paris, Italy, Greece, America under European rule, Egypt under GrecoRoman rule, post-Byzantine Turkey, Russia Chronicles etc. Only China, India and a couple of Middle Eastern settings (Syria and Israel) don't have a predominant European flavour.

The historical Templars themselves, derive straight from European history, even if the Assassins were originally muslim mercenaries / hitmen. So, I never said the Creed is strictly European, but it is Euro-centric: Most of the lore revolved around Europe. Ezio, Arno, Alexios, Eve, Jacob etc. are European characters. Euro-centric does not necessarily mean exclusively European. There is obviously a misunderstanding here...

cawatrooper9
02-20-2020, 10:14 PM
Olympus, I think you and I have a fundamental difference on opinion of what the point of the series is.

The Creed is a Brotherhood that doesn't stem directly from some European traditions, but it's an idea that molds itself to the various cultures that the Assassins inhabit, all across the globe. It's why by the second game in the series we still saw the Assassins fighting the Templars (in Italy, of all places), despite both IRL groups not really being prominent or even around at that point.

Have most of the main games been in Europe or the Americas? Yeah, I suppose. But I have no idea why that could possibly be reason to argue to limit the series.

I'm not here to tell you what the series should mean to you. And I can't claim to know your intentions. But I do think that, at the very least, claiming that it "should" be Euro-centric is not at all a good take.

Olympus2018
02-21-2020, 12:00 AM
Well the idea is not to apply double standards, which means that since it is ok for many games to be Japano-centric, for example, I don't see what's wrong with Euro-centric games? Euro-centrism does not exclude the rest of the world, it just focuses more on a European setting. That is as much legitimate as Sinocentrism or Japanocentrism. No one ever complained about Shinobi or the Ghost of Tsushima being bad because they excluded the rest of the world.

LDS_Darth_Revan
02-21-2020, 12:15 AM
What a surprise, one of the posters against having LGBT+ heroes is also against having non-Eurocentric heroes. By the way, having games set in other parts of the world wouldn't make them centric for those parts of the world. Also those games you mention are single games, not an expansive series.

LDS_Darth_Revan
02-21-2020, 12:18 AM
As for the topic, as mentioned there are already heroes in the series that come from places outside the European sphere. And the Is were global so no reason to limit your ptions with them. You could do many things with this and still have it fit. To list a couple:
1. Have them be proto-organizations like we've seen before such as the Cult of Cosmos or Order of the Ancients being proto-Templars.
2. Have it set during European contact, so the Assassins and Templars are both trying to get a foothold in this new world.

GameGuru2018
02-21-2020, 10:54 AM
Assassin's Creed today is more than assassin's creed. It's more than Europe. It's a worldwide historic game!

1) China
2) Japan
3) India
4) Arabic AC
5) Maya, Aztecs, Incs
6) Russia

And other regions in different historical eras, sooner or later, will be as a big Assassin's Creed.

Assassin's Creed will suffocate in Europe only. It needs more space.

As for Far East, Indochina region.....it can be easily connected with Europe.

https://s5.gifyu.com/images/C2c0346aa1080489b5.jpg

One of Assassin's Creed should be - a big European Medieval Game!
Ancient Greece, Rome.....and than Dark Ages, inquisition, plague, Alps,may be dragons and dwarfs....

Europe shouldn't be forgotten as well.

Olympus2018
02-21-2020, 12:10 PM
What a surprise, one of the posters against having LGBT+ heroes.

I was never against LGBT. You don't know what you are saying...

cawatrooper9
02-21-2020, 03:36 PM
Yeah, let's not go there, guys.

Olympus, all I'm trying to explain is that it's not a double standard because Assassin's Creed has been about a lot more than Europe for a very long time. It's part of the series' DNA, and I'd argue it's so much better for it. If you're looking for a series of games set exclusively in Europe... this ain't it, chief.

And it really never has been, not even since the first game.


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/assassinscreed/images/8/8a/AC-AltairMalikMap.png/revision/latest?cb=20120922124310


Anyway, let's try to get back on topic.

I contributed to an article with The Ones Who Came Before (https://www.theoneswhocamebefore.com/potentialsettings) a few years ago where I suggested an Aztec game. Not quite Incan or Mayan, but still definitely one of my most anticipated settings.

Imagine how amazing it would be to be able to explore the city of Tenochtitlán!

GameGuru2018
02-22-2020, 09:00 AM
cawatrooper9, what do think about Carlos Castaneda legacy? Can this also be used in the game?

(He was talking about knowledge that came from pre-Aztecs civiliztion - Toltec.)

GameGuru2018
02-23-2020, 07:05 AM
Why do I ask......

I think everyone who is interested in Aztecs, Maya, Incs should read these books. It will let to understand their culture and basis of their religion deeper.

Thousands and thousands years have passed since the Toltec era....but people are still keeping these knowledge. Not in books or manuscripts but passing it from hand to hand, from shaman to disciple, like a burning fire.


https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Cst7.jpg

LDS_Darth_Revan
02-23-2020, 07:40 AM
Thousands and thousands years have passed since the Toltec eraUm, the Toltec civilization began around 900 to about 1168 AD so existed only about a thousand years ago

Now the Olmecs are about that age, lasting from around 1500 to 400 BC and are the first known Mesoamerican civilization. Also doing things like being the first civilization to have a number 0, possibly the compass, the Mesoamerican calendar, first writing in America, and even popcorn.

Olympus2018
02-23-2020, 12:46 PM
Um, the Toltec civilization began around 900 to about 1168 AD so existed only about a thousand years ago

Now the Olmecs are about that age, lasting from around 1500 to 400 BC and are the first known Mesoamerican civilization. Also doing things like being the first civilization to have a number 0, possibly the compass, the Mesoamerican calendar, first writing in America, and even popcorn.

Only the Mayan had proper writing, since 300 BC. The Olmec may have been the first civilization in the Western Hemisphere to develop a writing system. Symbols found in 2002 and 2006 date from 650 BC and 900 BC respectively, preceding the oldest Zapotec writing found so far, which dates from about 500 BC.

The 2002 find at the San Andrés site shows a bird, speech scrolls, and glyphs that are similar to the later Mayan hieroglyphs. Known as the Cascajal Block, and dated between 1100 BC and 900 BCE, the 2006 find from a site near San Lorenzo shows a set of 62 symbols, 28 of which are unique, carved on a serpentine block. A large number of prominent archaeologists have hailed this find as the "earliest pre-Columbian writing". Others are skeptical because of the stone's singularity, the fact that it had been removed from any archaeological context, and because it bears no apparent resemblance to any other Mesoamerican writing system. Only the Mayan script is readable though!

cawatrooper9
02-24-2020, 03:32 PM
cawatrooper9, what do think about Carlos Castaneda legacy? Can this also be used in the game?

(He was talking about knowledge that came from pre-Aztecs civiliztion - Toltec.)

I'm not particularly familiar with his work, but I'll definitely check it out! :D