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KristofVonAsKik
05-16-2005, 07:31 PM
Question...has anyone experienced an Elco boat actually being dangerous, or are they just irritating like a mosquito buzzing your head??

I've stopped going to periscope depth when I encounter them because it's been a waste of time. The only thing they've been good at is scratching my custom paint job with their .50 cals. Now, dependent upon weather, I just open up on the lil'bastards with my deck and flak guns until they explode.

Any thoughts?

Here's one of the little f'ers leaving an oil slick in the Atlantic.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y190/ctbrosky1974/ElcoBoom.jpg

Lovo_Kasistan
05-16-2005, 07:37 PM
So, you have about 900 AP shots loaded... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

KristofVonAsKik
05-16-2005, 07:45 PM
Yah, what's your point?? I figure why use your hand to kill a fly when a 12 gauge works much better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lovo_Kasistan
05-16-2005, 07:47 PM
But it's still absolutely unrealistic.

KristofVonAsKik
05-16-2005, 07:52 PM
I'm not sure why it says that because I have not modded the game. Well, except for the smoke mod that is. But nothing to increase my rounds. Maybe 1.3 did this, or maybe it's just one of the thousands of other bugs that came installed with the game.

Dev team??

Charlie901
05-16-2005, 07:55 PM
It would make all the difference in the world if they blasted off a couple of their torpedos at you, once in a while.

It would be fun to be on the business end of a torpedo, once in a while; having to dodge one.

Oh well, I guess you could chalk it up to the, "Missing U-Boat A.I.", as I've never seen them launch a torpedo at me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

KristofVonAsKik
05-16-2005, 07:58 PM
Agreed. You would think a "torpedo boat" would actually launch a torpedo when in range. Oh well.

zzzspace
05-16-2005, 08:00 PM
I€ve developed a similar habit of killing armed trawlers that way, as long as you don€t get inside 750 yards you will usually get a kill with the gun. It€s a little bit counter-productive though, because you get rid of the armed trawler from your area, but a couple of DDs come running. The strange thing is the merchants don€t scatter, they just keep steaming through the same area where you€ve sank an armed trawler less than an hour ago. The warships respond to the sinkings, but the civilian ships seem to ignore them €¦ surely they would have been warned by radio to vamoose.


(again I€m reminded that this Infopop 'reply to' window system is the worst piece of annoying buggy sh!te I€ve used in the past year, on any form €¦ and the next worst forum was also a little Infopop jobie €¦)

Lovo_Kasistan
05-16-2005, 08:01 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

D4mn dark picture, you were using the AA gun and not the deck gun! It's alright then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

gabriel_cd
05-16-2005, 08:12 PM
While they do little damage to your boat, beware that *you can lose crew to their machine gun fire*.

Happy hunting!

Twelvefield
05-16-2005, 11:22 PM
Elco's can machine gun your crew, and they also call in destroyers. That's enough of a threat for me to want to evade them.

twistedpretzel
05-16-2005, 11:29 PM
I once had one coming at me head on one night.

I dove and fired a T1 within 500 meters, he was going around 20 knots, dunno where he went after impact.

alanschu
05-17-2005, 12:31 AM
dunno where he went after impact

That stirred up some creative imagery http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

genz44
05-17-2005, 02:17 AM
I just took out a trawler coming straight at me with a T1. It left a nice candle in the middle of nowhere.

Elcos...I just had my first encounter with two of them. I figured I'd just hit them with an HE round each and be done with it... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

They just kept circling and shooting my flak gun. Since they were too close for my cannon, I came up with a nice little plan. I set my engines all the way to flank and kept a straight course. The little bugs would have to turn pretty fast in front of me to keep from getting rammed, so naturally they would bounce just a little higher on the waves. Just aim your cannon and wait for the front of the bug to bounce just a little higher than usual and BOOM! Watch their crew fly! The first one I took out left a flaming streak at least 75m long. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Kpt_Zig
05-17-2005, 03:26 AM
It would be fun to be on the business end of a torpedo, once in a while; having to dodge one.

No it wouldn't. You wouldn't even get an explosion, all you'd see is a screen with text saying "Er...you're dead".

Praetorian_Elite
05-17-2005, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by twistedpretzel:
I once had one coming at me head on one night.

I dove and fired a T1 within 500 meters, he was going around 20 knots, dunno where he went after impact.

I sent a torpedo flying at an elco boat once. When it hit, he went flying through the air for so far, landed in the water maybe 700m away from me.

DokterBeefcake
05-17-2005, 07:26 AM
The probably don't fire their torps because they're saving them for the Bismark. You know, glory seekers.

KristofVonAsKik
05-17-2005, 07:28 AM
To me it just seems such a waste to use a precious torp on a glorified canoe. Although I can see where it would be cool to catapult an Elco across the ocean... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On a similar topic, one time I did fire off a torp at an armed trawler and was rewarded with a pretty nice impact. The trawler did a full rotation (upside down -> rightside up) on the surface before eventually sinking.

Anyway, advice taken about having my crew killed by Elco gun fire. Thanks!

V-MAN1981
05-17-2005, 07:52 AM
The little bastards sometimes get lucky and can kill any crew on watch or manning the flak/deck guns.

KristofVonAsKik
05-17-2005, 08:11 AM
I assume you're speaking from experience??

TheRealWulfmann
05-17-2005, 10:51 AM
I no longer engage them. I had sunk a couple but when one went under my shortest range for the deck gun, I switched to the flak gun. The flak gunner, a chief gunner, a high ranking seaman and another seaman were killed by MG fire, the only men lost so far on U-46. I would rather just dive and wait for them to leave as getting 4 new bees for experienced crew is not worth the gain for hitting these mosquitoes, IMO.
How would a real U-Boat respond to an in coming MTB? That is often how I resolve questions as I prefer to simulate than look for gaming techniques to win unrealistically.

Wulfmann

Comassion
05-17-2005, 11:00 AM
Elco boats are just a tad annoying when they're alone, and a real threat if there are ships or aircraft nearby that they can call in on you. First make sure that you're willing to risk your sub for 35 tons, and if you want to take one on, surface and stick one expendable guy in the flak gun, and man it yourself to take them out in short order. You risk only one replacable crew member, and it's fun to take them out. However, for good sub commanders I reccommend submerging and leaving them alone. Going after an Elco cost me a patrol, and almost my entire sub, as can be seen here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/3991019123

Also, do not have your damage control crew work on damaged surface structures of the sub while facing an Elco, as they can be shot and killed (found this out while testing stuff).

c_mattio
05-17-2005, 12:41 PM
Like little mosquitoes really. Before 1.3 the problem was that if you had time compression on they could get close enough (without the watch officer seeing them) to you so the deck gun fired straight over the top of them. I didn't realise that you could MG them for a while!

SchroeterU-123
05-17-2005, 02:07 PM
Hi
I have last night lost 2 crew members 1 with was my flak crew http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif so they can be very danger to your crew u can lose them very fast.

InfectiousDust
05-17-2005, 02:15 PM
I have a question out of curiousity for the modders. Has anyone found any actual code for Elco's to fire torpedoes, or was the boat armed only with a machine gun from the very beginning??

cleric101
05-17-2005, 02:41 PM
Those two big pipes at the back of the Elco are supposed to have torpedoes inside. At least they look like they should, I know some torpedo boats had them stored exactly there.

Lovo_Kasistan
05-17-2005, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by InfectiousDust:
I have a question out of curiousity for the modders. Has anyone found any actual code for Elco's to fire torpedoes, or was the boat armed only with a machine gun from the very beginning??
They are only armed with the machine gun, even the DD's can't shoot their torps.

You are the only thing in the whole game that is able to use torpedoes. No enemy torpedoe AI included.

InfectiousDust
05-17-2005, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by cleric101:
Those two big pipes at the back of the Elco are supposed to have torpedoes inside. At least they look like they should, I know some torpedo boats had them stored exactly there.
I know the torpedoes are modeled on the Elco, but the question is whether or not there is any code present to have them use torpedoes. I think it would be very hard for the mod community to write this from scratch. The Elco's behaviour would have to be completely rewritten.

Originally posted by Lovo_Kasistan:
You are the only thing in the whole game that is able to use torpedoes. No enemy torpedoe AI included.
Darn. Well I suppose it was wishful thinking to begin with... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hairback357
05-17-2005, 03:30 PM
I encountered an Elco once and I dove before he saw me. I was just moving slow under water then all of a sudden it just sank. I have no idea what happened. There was no other ships around and I was at 25 meters so I still have no idea what sunk it.

Lovo_Kasistan
05-17-2005, 03:39 PM
I made a mission that contained only the Bismarck and some Elcos. Those brave soldiers didn't even change their course to get themselves into a good shooting position for their not existing torpedoes, they just followed their initial course and started shooting at the BB with the AA guns. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

W.Irving
05-17-2005, 04:31 PM
I spotted a burning PT boat in the strait of Gibraltar once.

http://img270.echo.cx/img270/876/pt1ti.th.jpg (http://img270.echo.cx/my.php?image=pt1ti.jpg)

Akula_971
05-17-2005, 04:39 PM
For Elco's just man the flak gun, remove the crew from the conning tower, except one man, you know the one, the least experienced one, the guy who would be wearing the red shirt in star trek. Then just flak em to death whilst running at flank

Diggerless
05-17-2005, 04:47 PM
hmmm...can't work it out ...Elco is short for what exactly... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

genz44
05-17-2005, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Akula_971:
For Elco's just man the flak gun, remove the crew from the conning tower, except one man, you know the one, the least experienced one, the guy who would be wearing the red shirt in star trek. Then just flak em to death whilst running at flank
Or just try my way, if you have a deck gun. Go to flank on a straight course. Man your deck gun and aim it down all the way. Now, just wait for the Elco to cross in front of your sub. Keep the cannon on his bow and wait for it to rise a bit more than usual. When his bow is up, fire a single HE shell into him. Now, watch the fireworks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I've done this a few times now and haven't lost a crewman yet. Remember, patience will bring rewards.

Diggerless
05-17-2005, 04:54 PM
...ignore me...just been to the museum to get me an answer...humble grovelments... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Horvald
05-17-2005, 04:58 PM
never again will I believe what people say on the forum. After listening to this forum I thought , well everyone says they are not to dangerous so why not engage them next time they attack me. Sounded easy right? wrong! the result being they mowed down my flak gunner. He was my first crew killed and I had him for a long time, **** it how will explain this to his familyhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

genz44
05-17-2005, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by Horvald:
never again will I believe what people say on the forum. After listening to this forum I thought , well everyone says they are not to dangerous so why not engage them next time they attack me. Sounded easy right? wrong! the result being they mowed down my flak gunner. He was my first crew killed and I had him for a long time, **** it how will explain this to his familyhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
My first encounter had me trying to find the "sweet spot" with my deck gun. All the while, my flak gun was taking constant damage. That's why I'll never put one of my men in there to take one out.

Maj_Solo
05-17-2005, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Lovo_Kasistan:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

D4mn dark picture, you were using the AA gun and not the deck gun! It's alright then. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

yah, spend more time on the bridge and not down there in the boat with the bright light and all the civies and u see better (hi hi, worthless remark, no reply necessary), Cheers!

OlavFalco
05-18-2005, 12:38 PM
I had fun with an elco once, shot the blighter up with the flak gun, it limped off for about 200 metres slowly sinking, at which point i decided to ram the b*****d at the highest speed i could from my previously halted state.

needless to say it went down like a Dutch prostitute.....

W.Irving
05-18-2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Diggerless:
hmmm...can't work it out ...Elco is short for what exactly... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

The division (Elco Naval Division) of the maker (Electric Boat Company) of the PT boat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If you spot one, man the deck gun and hurl a few HE grenades at it. AP rounds are not needed, and manning the flak gun(s) will get your crew members killed. They always come in pairs though.

SS.DJSatane
05-18-2005, 12:49 PM
They supposed to be able to use their main weapon which is a torpedo, but I guess in SH3 they are fresh out.

I would consider it a bug or missing/needed feature.


T BOATS DON'T ACTUALLY USE THEIR TORPEDOES, EVEN THOUGH ITS THEIR MAIN WEAPON
PT boats do not seem to be ever using their torpedoes, even though this is their main weapon.
For example, you can script a mission with British PT Boats attacking a german battleship
and they will just fire their machine guns at the battleship, they don't ever fire
their torpedoes. This should be easy to fix, for example torpedo bombers drop torpedoes so
there is code for AI to use them already built in.

W.Irving
05-18-2005, 12:54 PM
There are torpedo planes? Avengers and Devastators then?
Er... do they attack U-boats?