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Nukem_Hicks
04-07-2005, 12:34 PM
I couldn't help but notice over the course of several patrols that those armed trawler crews are EXPERTS in their fields, even in 1940. I've been jumped by them a number of times on 100% realism and each time took her down to 100m and rigged for silent running, creeping along the bottom at about 3 kts. 10 hours later I surfaced and those armed trawlers were still circling my location! Tried it again in the convoy attack training mission. The DD depth charged me for a bit before scooting away when I ran silent. That trawler, however, managed to stick with me every step of the way. It was as if James Bond had swam down and stuck a tracking device on my sub, because they followed me to the inch. It just doesn't seem right...

Nukem_Hicks
04-07-2005, 12:34 PM
I couldn't help but notice over the course of several patrols that those armed trawler crews are EXPERTS in their fields, even in 1940. I've been jumped by them a number of times on 100% realism and each time took her down to 100m and rigged for silent running, creeping along the bottom at about 3 kts. 10 hours later I surfaced and those armed trawlers were still circling my location! Tried it again in the convoy attack training mission. The DD depth charged me for a bit before scooting away when I ran silent. That trawler, however, managed to stick with me every step of the way. It was as if James Bond had swam down and stuck a tracking device on my sub, because they followed me to the inch. It just doesn't seem right...

dagamecat
04-07-2005, 12:52 PM
I can't comment on the trawlers because I havent seen any.

But relating to what you wrote: in my experience, destroyers aren't nearly persistent enough. I want to be tormented for hour upon hour by relentless destroyers. They don't seem to care enough that I've sunk 8 ships of their convoy, or whatever.

Maybe I just havent come across this. Is it possible for a destroyer to pursue for a long period of time (say, 10 hours)?

I would like this, for realism. But then, maybe, we would need a more in-depth damage/repair system, and of course, some kind of u-boat death scene! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CCIP
04-07-2005, 01:12 PM
Never met a trawler that persistent...

As far as destroyer chases being too short - well, consider that if they're escorting destroyers, they would in no way want to chase you for hours simply because that would leave their convoy wide open to other attacks (yea, we know there's no other subs in the GAME, but still...). So they probably would only chase you for so long before they have to turn back and catch their escortees again...

Now, it's much more plausible that a patrolling destroyer or, dare I say... TRAWLER chase you for hours on end, because they have nothing to lose by sticking to you.

I wonder if anyone ever met any hunter-killer groups in the game... that would show us how long they can REALLY hunt you.

Nukem_Hicks
04-07-2005, 01:44 PM
I should probably clarify my original statement. I wasn't so surprised by the fact that patrolling trawlers followed me for so long. What surprised me is that there was no pinging whatsoever; somehow they managed to track me while I was running on silent at 100m, and track my EXACT course. In fact, they were literally running circles around me. They were not dropping depth charges are attempting to attack in any way possible; it was as if I had them attached to a leash. It was very odd, to say the least.

StellarRat
04-07-2005, 01:45 PM
The escort destroyers usually only attacked the U-Boats long enough to make them go deep and give the convoy time to get away. The hunter-killer groups would stay for days sometimes.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-07-2005, 01:58 PM
The Trawlers are dump. I encountered them twice.

In the first incident, I attacked an unprotected convoy, when a trawler came "rushing" at me. I dived and turned. It missed me by far, searching for a while, then sped off. I guess the tactic was rather to surpress me until the convoy was rather save. It didn't succeed.

The second time, the trawler approached head on in darkness and I only saw it the last moment, when it switched on the searchlight. I dived and evaded it, but not 15 minutes later a torpedoe-boat approached, followed by a destroyer. But they didn't find me.

So, no, at least with 1.1 I can asure you there's no but with the armed trawlers.

klaoud2005
04-07-2005, 02:00 PM
I recently had an experience at the straits of Dover, transiting at night on the surface (Nov 1939). I detected a coastal merchant, so I decided to take him on with my deck gun. After making pretty quick work of him, I casually went about my business of resuming my transit south through the straits. About an hour later out comes the RN en force. There were 2 destroyers that must not have been too far off headed right for me. Not knowing if I had been detected yet I made a run at flank on the surface to try and avoid them. Well, soon the lights came on and I knew they were looking for me. The straits are pretty shallow, only about 25m and the wreck of the vessel I sank earlier was broken in half with the bow and stern still sticking out of the water, and mid sections resting on the bottom (Awesome!) so i decided to dive and "hide" next to the wreck.

The destroyers were on me withing no time at all, and they knew exactly were I was, But because of the fact that I was next to the wreck, they couldn't make a proper depth charge run. Soon after the 2 initial destroyers were joined by a 3rd, each taking turns trying to make an approach but being frustrated by the wreck and occationally by each other. They persisted for about 8 hours, but that's a little bit of a guess because I didn't pay close attention to the times....only my air.

Da11en47
04-07-2005, 03:41 PM
Why dont you wimps just blowed the armeded trawlers out of the water. They barely do any damage. Surface and use the mighty deck gun. Unless im thinking about the wrong boat (small partrol boat?, in which i take back everything i said.

GT182
04-07-2005, 04:08 PM
Yep, as soon as you find out it's an Armed Trawler, blow it out of the water with your deck gun before they get to you. I've gotten 2 so far with the deck gun at night. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I'm even going to try taking out a Tribal Destroyer with the DG next time I see one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif LOL

Da11en47
04-07-2005, 04:14 PM
Do the armed trawlers have torps. If so anyone seen them fire one.

GT182
04-07-2005, 05:08 PM
I don't believe they have torpedos, just small caliber deck guns. It's the PT boats, that have torpedos, you have to watchout for. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ltforce
04-07-2005, 06:41 PM
i went head to head agasint about 6 in total after 14 patrols starting from the beggining of the war and i pwned them lol, i just go in at flank and i dont let my crew do the gunning cause theyt seem to be useless i shoot a range finding shot at them then i start aiming for their turret in the front and once i take it out about 2-3 shots(i found a trick for perfect aiming u watch the barrel go up and down and as soon as it goes down u have about 1 sec and once its steady in a low postions like ur over a wave not going into one, u shoot at it hits exactly where u aim and if u get the range right u hit the gun) and they dont seem to be that good once their turret is gone u shoot them until they sink then laugh, they rarely hit me cause i get their turret real quick so they have abouot 1-2 shots out and they arent too accurate....

Johnny_JG2
04-07-2005, 06:57 PM
I've never had any trawlers or destroyers stick with me for more than an hour or so.

Trawlers are easy pickings if you have access to your deck gun.

I've had patroling destroyers- not attached to a convoy - come after me, but they never, ever stay with me. I just go 1-2knots, and when they drop charges and I think they may hit me, I go flank and change depths/directions, then back to slow again. They always just.. give up.

No challenge!

Menthol_moose
04-07-2005, 07:30 PM
Armed trawlers seem to quite common, so it might be a different units your seeing, not the same unit.

Ive run on silent and never had problems getting out of the situation.

Vixentrox1970
04-08-2005, 08:07 AM
I see them from time to time. Last time there was 2 of them guarding a small convoy in early 1942. I made a torpedo attack from the surface. Right after the first torp hit I got picked up in thier searchlights. Obviously they opened fire.......and so did the rest of the merchies in the convoy who seemed to be mostly armed. Yikes! Managed to get away though with some minor damage after I dived.

axeman3d
04-08-2005, 08:15 AM
The small armed trawlers/patrol craft seem to have great eyesight but precious little else. You can blow them out the water with the deck gun quite easily, even quicker if you man it yourself. Every time I've tried to take a Destroyer out on the surface though, it's killed or badly injured me every time. They also seem to be more persistant with their depth charging than the trawlers.

Dominicrigg
04-08-2005, 08:39 AM
If it followed you that long you were using time compression. With time comp on it makes spotting and listening distances larger, so he will keep picking yuo up and following you. When evading dont use higher then about 4, and less then that if they are close. For realistic results dont use it at all when evading.

Also he doesnt need ASDIC to find you, some have hydrophones so can listen for you which is most likely what he was doing.

reumatiib
04-08-2005, 08:57 AM
I know that in SH2 ships without Active Sonar could pick up your location if other DD were near by with A.S. Perhaps this is what is going on in SH3. I hope I meet some Trawlers soon, I need some real action!

What I found in one case was a small merchant that tried to ram me, and though I ran deep and quiet it was following me around like it was tied to my leg.

reumatiib
04-08-2005, 09:05 AM
number of asdic equipped ships in British Navy at war's start:

"1939: Over 165 British destroyers, sloops and trawlers are carrying asdic equipment that can be used at 15 knots. Adopted by the United States, the "Searchlight" operated at 14-22 kilohertz and was effective up to 2,500 yards. This range was reduced by rough or high-salinity seas, underwater temperature inversions and thermo clines. Although sonar was responsible for 68 of the 104 submarine kills in '39 and '40, it was found to be an ineffective area sweep tool."

From Sonar Timeline
http://www.de220.com/Electronics/Sonar/Sonar.htm

The_Biz
04-08-2005, 02:46 PM
I had a lengthy little game of cat and mouse with a pair of the trawlers outside of a harbour once, did not stop me getting the cruiser anchored there.

On the way out I managed to get in a position to use the deck gun one at a time and it was good bye and good riddance.

Early in the war the destroyers, etc do not seem too difficult to avoid or aggressive, which is fairly representative of how things went.

Maj_Solo
04-08-2005, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Da11en47:
Why dont you wimps just blowed the armeded trawlers out of the water. They barely do any damage. Surface and use the mighty deck gun. Unless im thinking about the wrong boat (small partrol boat?, in which i take back everything i said. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get a seet list of kills that way, one mission I sunk 18 ships, only five with torpedoes, I think 12 of those were trawlers amd thugboats, after that mission I put the Schweinhunde emblem on my boat, say after me, Ich bin ein Schweinhunde.

And the only torpedo boat that did attack me I shot down with the Flak gun, stupid kids in that boat.

But I also like to warn you about those armed trawlers, on one mission I did encounter an Ace crew that opened fire at 4000m and like 95% of their rounds hit and my boat was reeling from the shocks and deck gun reloading got slower and slower so finally I dove bleeding, 10 crew dead, including Mr.SuperWatchOfficer. I licked my wounds and then returned to base.