View Full Version : Microsoft antispyware Beta

05-01-2005, 07:17 PM

I highly recomend this download to anyone useing Windows.

05-01-2005, 08:01 PM
Been using it for some time now. It's really quite good. I recommend it highly.

05-01-2005, 08:07 PM
I've yet to have it find anything. I'm not saying it is bad, just that my combination of other programming seems to have everything it can do covered so far, but I'm gonna use it a bit longer just in case.


05-01-2005, 08:42 PM
I've heard it removes Outlook, Internet Explorer, and occasionally, Windows itself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

05-01-2005, 08:49 PM
It's worked flawlessly for me.

05-02-2005, 12:34 AM
Alex St. John is one of the founders of Microsoft DirectX tecnology. He has this to say:

In December 2004, Microsoft took a giant step down the path to completely closing access to the internet for anything but Microsoft software, while confirming its complete loss of control over windows security, by acquiring anti-spyware company Giant Software. Think about it: Why does Microsoft need to buy a third-party to fix Windows, so installing software can't screw it up permanently? It can't think of a way to ensure that any any software installed on Windows can reliably be uninstalled by a consumer? It dosen't know how to tell the difference between a stable, working version of Windows and one that has been corrupted?

Instead of solving the problem that loose operating-system architecture created, Microsoft is going to block all non-Microsoft online software functionality and dump the burden of understanding the difference between responsible software (that's not provided by Microsoft) and malware on the consumer. Fortunatly for the company (although it can't tell the difference), is that Giant brings it this expertise. Here are some quotes from the Giant Web site on identifying signs of spyware:

" I see pop-up advertisements all the time. ...If you see pop-up ads as soon as you turn on the computer or when your not even browsing the Web, you may have spyware or other unwanted software on your computer."

So, for example: Microsoft's update service messaging, Microsoft IM, plugging itself; MSN pushing a password account; and Windows Media Player constantly suggesting new updates. Great! All we'll see from now on is Microsoft Windows (branded) pop-up warning and dialogs.

"My settings have changed and I can't change them back to the way they were. ...Some unwanted software has the ability to change your homepage settings..."

Windows SP2, delivered via the Windows Update service, didn't mysteriously and irrevocably change my settings? You can't mistype a URL without getting a plug for MSN search from IE itself, but Microsoft will protect us from anybody else that does the same.

"My Web browser contains additional components that I don't remember downloading....Spyware and other unwanted software can add additional toolbars to your Web browser that you don't want or need."

Software I don't remember installing is probably bad? I don't remember installing 90% of the software my family, my IT department, Microsoft, and I deliberately installed on my computer. I can't install a new printer without getting a slew of new software I don't need or understand installed along with the driver. My new Cannon printer stuck a Cannon Easy Print toolbar in my browser and 10 new applications on my system. According to Microsoft, that means Cannon might be spyware. Why should I have to remember the software I install anyway-isn't that something the OS should be able to do?

"My computer seems sluggish....Spyware and other unwanted software are not necessarily designed to be efficient. The resources these programs use to track your activities and deliver advertisements can slow down your computer and errors in the software can make your computer crash. If you notice a sudden increase in the number of times a certain program crashes, or if your computer is slower than normal at performing routine tasks, you may have spyware or other unwanted software on your machine."

SO buggy, bloated software laced with branded pop-up dialogs might be spyware? I think Microsoft bought these guys just to stop them drawing the next obvious conclusion. The vast majority of functionality most spyware and addware needs to work is provided by the Windows OS and IE in the first place.

If you notice Windows, IE and Microsoft Word being slower or crashing more than usual, then that's a symptom of it being somebody other than Microsoft's fault. The solution is for you to use the antispyware solution that will replace evil spyware pop-ups with Microsoft branded pop-up warning dialogs, provided to you by the company with the spotless record for protecting consumer privacy and security. I feel safer already. Whatever you do, don't ask any inconvenient questions about whos really at the root of the problems your computer is having.

Although It seems like a rant, the above story reminded me why I use as little Microsoft software as possible. There are safe, free and better alternatives to IE, WMP and others that I'm too tired to remember right now.

The point is, I have tried the anti-spyware beta for some time now and found that it does, in fact let any Microsoft app run whether you want it to or not. It runs scans automaticly, even though I have told it not to. And it will dial up the internet without permission looking for updates.

I shouldn't need to have my firewall set to block my anti-spyware program. There are, IMO lots of excellent anti-spyware programs that are just as free and treat all programs equally. In my mind the Microsoft program is going to end up becoming another sieve like IE so your probably better off to stay away from it.

05-02-2005, 08:43 AM

Had it since it came out and it works great http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

It ant found nuttin and thats great http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

05-02-2005, 09:19 AM
Apparently a bug in an early version flagged some competitors' anti spyware software as spyware.

05-02-2005, 09:21 AM
There are safe, free and better alternatives to IE

I use Opera - 8.0 is very nice and it actually conforms with CSS rendering standards. I find it much more reliable than Firefox on both Windows and Linux. It's not free for use for commercial organisations, though.

05-02-2005, 10:14 AM
Googling Alex St. John sure was interesting. Even more so when stumbling across this page:

Predicting OpenGL as a blind alley...fired from Microsoft years ago...founder of a company sneaking spyware into your rig...no wonder he talks against MS` antispyware.

05-02-2005, 11:28 AM
I like spyware doctor....

05-02-2005, 02:56 PM

05-02-2005, 07:07 PM
used it once, it found nothing, then immediatley used ad aware and it found 17 spy bots. so what does this microsoft thing do then if it does not find anything?

05-02-2005, 07:14 PM
What is funny is that most the holes that allow spyware to exist are hole in the Microsoft suite of OS. Atleast they are attempting to take out their own trash...

05-03-2005, 08:25 PM
This is my solution to the spyware and adware problem.
I run IL2 on its own dedicated Win98 box.
Everything else I do using OS X on a Mac.

It works for me.

05-03-2005, 09:54 PM
well, i picked up some really annoying auroa spyware popup **** http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
mixture of spybot, adaware and the ms thing, a small removeal tool and i think im clean...

man, i really do hate the ppl that make annoyin cr4p like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

05-04-2005, 06:21 AM
It just dawned on me. I think I paid $80 US dollars for a good car alarm, the locks on my house are worth mabey $100.

But my computer...yesh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...$90 for Norton antivirus, $230 for a firewall, $30 for NetGuard, and I'm still looking for somthing that will once and for all shore up my computer from malicious software.

Computer security is a never ending battle. An expensive battle. I think Microsoft should darn well help the consumers out deffending against the holes Microsoft put there in the first place!

If MSa can muster up a wonder pill for my computer, I'm all for it.