View Full Version : B-17 as Mistel

-HH- Beebop
03-21-2006, 09:11 PM
Found this interesting site:


03-21-2006, 10:30 PM
Yeah,that's how Joe Kennedy Jr. was killed(JFK's older brother).

-HH- Beebop
03-21-2006, 10:46 PM
Close Esell. Joe Kennedy Jr. was flying a B-24 fitted out the same as the B-17's in the previous link. Here is what I found:


BTW Esell, thanks for the post. It caused me to look up more info as I was unaware that other bombers were used in the same way and, that a Kennedy gave his life in defense of his country. Most only know the story of JFK.

03-21-2006, 11:39 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I guess I jumped the gun there;I remembered seeing it on the Military Channel,and like you,assumed it was a B-17-only project.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Sir Winston Churchill

03-22-2006, 12:45 AM
A little more info on the BQ-7 & BQ-8.

Link: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher2/b17_14.html (http://home.att.net/%7Ejbaugher2/b17_14.html)

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">The monument for Joseph Kennedy and his crew (1993).</span>

Link: http://www.atlantikwall.net/related_v3.htm

Consolidated BQ-8

In 1944 the USAAF intended to convert some worn-out Consolidated B-24D/J Liberator bombers to BQ-8 radio-controlled assault drones for use against heavily defended targets on Japanese islands in the Pacific. The concept was the same as used for the B-17 Flying Fortress conversions in the BQ-7 Aphrodite project. The BQ-8 would take off with two crew, who would then climb to cruise altitude, arm the fuzes, hand the plane over to remote control from an accompanying director aircraft, and bail out. The payload of the BQ-8 consisted of about 11300 kg (25000 lb) of Torpex high-explosive. It is unknown, how many B-24s were actually converted to BQ-8 drones, and the USAAF never flew an operational BQ-8 mission.

The U.S. Navy had converted at least two PB4Y-1 (their version of the B-24) patrol bombers to assault drones under project "Anvil", but the BQ-8 designation did most probably not apply to these planes. "Anvil" used a complicated remote-control setup. The image of the drone's TV camera was transmitted to a B-17, which then sent course-correction commands to a converted PV-1 Ventura, which actually controlled the drone. Two "Anvil" missions were flown in the North Sea area, but without a definite success. On the first one on 12 August 1944, the PB4Y exploded prematurely and killed both pilots. While the second "Anvil" attack in September that year struck the target area, the accuracy could not be determined because the TV camera had been destroyed by flak. Because of the apparent severe reliability and accuracy drawbacks, project "Anvil" was terminated after the second mission.

Data for B-24D (BQ-8 was similar):

Length 20.22 m (66 ft 4 in)
Wingspan 33.53 m (110 ft)
Height 5.46 m (17 ft 11 in)
Weight 29000 kg (64000 lb)
Speed 320 km/h (200 mph)
Ceiling 9100 m (30000 ft)
Range 3700 km (2300 miles) (with 2270 kg (5000 lb) bomb load)
Propulsion 4x Pratt & Whitney R-1830-43 piston engine; 890 kW (1200 hp) each

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">For the above link add... b/e/n/t/w/a/t/e/r to correct. Without the slashes. LoL</span>

03-22-2006, 01:33 AM
Woofie,thanks for the informative lowdown;interesting.

-HH- Beebop
03-22-2006, 05:31 PM
Thanks woofiedog. Your usual, excellent research has given more depth to another little-known subject.