View Full Version : OT: How are my British friends handling everything?

07-03-2007, 06:02 PM
Seems luck was on your side with the recent "incidents" and thankfully everyone is fine. I can only image how crazy it is over there with the news coverage its getting here. Most of all everyone is surprised that doctors seem to be behind most of it. Considering their profession and sworn duty to preserve life this news is very disturbing. I just wanted to know what your views were since its going on over there.

07-04-2007, 03:58 AM
Business as usuall. Ive grown up with this kind of threat, as have many people, to see these so called doctors prepared to take life, it sickens me, and makes me angry and more determined to beat these people. What confuses me more than anything is the way they use religion to kill, hell thats not what god wants, how dare they, people in Britian or where ever they choose to attack will not be intimidated and will not bend to these scum. PS the bit about the twenty odd virgins and the eternal life in paridise, its all C***.

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07-04-2007, 04:11 AM
The timing is what spook me....but enough of using evil to fight evil. This doesn't mean pacifity but do not resort to hate and evil to fight against evil. Like Gandhi said once before: An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Who knows there might be some people who actually want to benefit from the issue of terrorism to legitimate what otherwise couldn't.
..just a theory...

07-04-2007, 06:18 AM
PS the bit about the twenty odd virgins and the eternal life in paridise, its all C***.

Personally, I hope they do make it to some sort of "virgin equipped" afterlife: .......and only then discover that all the virgins are named "Bruce"!


07-04-2007, 06:31 AM
To answer the question;

In typical British stiff upper lip fashion. We Brits have to endure such trying times and these are no different from our long history. Life goes on.

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07-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Some days I have to travel into central London, to the heart of the city. Last week, I was within spitting distance of where the first car bomb was found. Now, my wife isn't happy with me going (understandably) but I echo Goose's comments - life goes on, if you stopped doing what you do in normal life then you are letting 'them' win. I think the majority of Londoners feel the same way.It was the same in the late 70's early 80's with the IRA bombings, and of course in the Blitz. You have to go to work and get on with life.

07-04-2007, 01:10 PM
Perhaps moderation should be taken to the extreme.

07-05-2007, 05:43 AM
I can remember being in London one time, going to Kings Cross railway station by tube. The train stopped at the preceding stop and was about to depart when the driver told us that there was a bomb scare at Kings Cross and that he wouldn't be stopping there (the train carried on mind, just didn't stop) so everyone for Kings cross should get out here.
So we did the only panic was that we might miss the train a kings cross and that seemed to be the general feeling. Oh and a slight worry at where Kings Cross was in relation to us, soon sorted by a couple of native Londoners going the same way whose comment was "Well follow us everyone."
At the time I was quite young so possibly didn't really understand what was going on but everything was calm. As people have said, you do just get on with things. Doing anything else means the terrorists win.

As it happened on this occasion there was either no bomb or it was diffused by the time we got there.

07-05-2007, 06:40 AM
Hi Guys,
Just to say that I and the crew are fine. Missing patrols but I am into Chessmaster10 at the minute so I am enjoying that.
I am IvanUSSR if you play so I will give you a game anytime.
To return to the topic I have been reading up a lot lately on Islam, Milestones-Qutb and The Islamist-Ed Hussain and I think the thorn in the flesh for most of these terrorist is Isreal not Western society as such!
They just do not want that country in there Hemisphere!
But I say who can deny a people the right to exist?
A lot of what Muhammed said about the Jews was for the fledgling Muslim community at that time and is inappropriate for today.
Well I guess if you are programmed to kill inocent people just for the sake of it you are gonna get a lot of problems from them!
I think these people, docter or not are just brain dead murders!

07-05-2007, 12:37 PM
A vague question of sorts...
When did Islamic 'terrorism' start. I think is started with Yasser Arafat in the first aircraft hijacking.
This might not be the correct answer, but you have ask yourself WHY do they do this ???

You'll get the answers from Islamic fundementalists that are no different from the western fundementalists.
I'm sure, not matter what anybody says, that this upsurge in 'terrorism' is a result on what many
in the middle east see as an attempt to 'westernise' (err.. take over) the Islamic territories.

As I've said before.. let them sort themselves out, as they've done for eons,.. before oil became an all important commodity.

07-05-2007, 01:25 PM
It's not only about oil and Islamic fundamentalism and yes, terrorism could be said to have started with Arafat, especially after the failure of Arab conventional military ventures against Israel.

But what on earth is western fundamentalism?

07-05-2007, 02:46 PM
Western Fundamentalists: At a guess, anyone in the western world who thinks everyone else in the world should follow his/her god and culture, there are plenty of them about, the British National Party or BNP, probably some of the more radical church based cults, I sure there must be others as well.

07-05-2007, 03:30 PM
Sure there are others. Would it be fair to include democrats among them? Or socialists?

07-05-2007, 10:06 PM
Democrats? Um, and which party is it that keeps pushing involvement regardless of reason...? Methinks you'll find radicals most anywhere, Republicans included. There will always be those who think their way of viewing the world is the best and only way, and that since they see things in such a way, everyone else should too (and, in some cases, "or else").

In response to K_Freddie, I agree with your assesment of Middle Eastern views of the West, and I'd agree with the "let them sort themselves out", if it weren't for the fact that we've enslaved ourselves to said all important commodity. Unfortunately, the West has become dependant on cheap oil for just about everything, and rather unwilling to make the modifications neccessary to reduce that dependcy, despite the existance of the scientific requirements neccessary to do so.

Of course that puts you on another track, take bio-fuels for example. As a farmer friend of mine says, "If you burn up your corn for fuel, what are you going to eat?" Has the makings of a never ending cycle. No clear answer.

07-06-2007, 03:28 AM
Allow me to disagree with the term 'western fundamentalism'.

The word 'fundamentalism' is generally used to describe an Islamic demand to revive or retain a strictly religious state of affairs - a conservative going back to the basics as it were.

There is no such thing as 'western fundamentalism' - there is no desire at all in the western world for a return to the 'ancien regime' (in which the clergy formed one of the 'estates' in the French parliament, for example).

Socialists must surely share this abhorrence of the 'ancien regime'. And, in case you hadn't noticed, 'democrats' was written with a small letter so that it would be clear what was meant - all socialists are democrats but not all democrats are socialists.

07-06-2007, 03:34 AM
Literal meaning of the word fundamentalism:
3.strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles.

taken from the following website:

07-06-2007, 03:51 AM
And the basic principle of democracy is 'majority rule', 'one man, one vote', 'universal sufferage', etc - no democrat would ever depart from this fundamental idea.

Yet you will never see a democrat ever being described as a fundamentalist - western or otherwise.

07-06-2007, 06:32 AM
I think the key word here is what do you preach?
I mean if the ethos of your religion is to hate a set of people no matter what they do that is "fundamentally" wrong.
As has been said above Islam preaches a world wide religion with no democracy.
They say that voting goes against the will of God, what ever that is?
I suppose they think that they have unique acess to what God wants?
Anyway me and my ancestors have been Roman Catholic for the last thousand years and I an't about to change now!
I don't want to lose my right to vote God dammit!

07-07-2007, 05:27 AM
Great Scot!