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Turk_man
01-06-2005, 06:24 AM
Just thought I`d see which FFB stick is prefered by the masses.

Turk_man
01-06-2005, 06:24 AM
Just thought I`d see which FFB stick is prefered by the masses.

gprr
01-06-2005, 07:00 AM
Hi

Historicly,MS FFB stick is by far the best but sadly discontinued.
Second and avilable choice would be probably - Thrustmaster Top Gun AfterBurner.
There'r lots of very good guys to advice you on that on Ubi forums.
I myself use my second MS FFB2.

Cheers
gprr

Schmouddle-WT
01-06-2005, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gprr:
Hi

MS FFB stick is by far the best but sadly discontinued.

gprr <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MSSWFF2 is IMHO the best FF joy out there.
Ceasing of production is a step of ultimate idiocy.

Bearcat99
01-06-2005, 08:55 AM
Saitek has a new offering.. the FFB Evo.. I dont know how good it is yet but I agree the MSFFB is the best around even if it isnt being made anymore.

_54th_Target
01-06-2005, 02:25 PM
Ah Yes. I will definately miss my MSFFB2 when it dies. However, it is well made and it the longest that I have ever been able to keep a joystick. It is also the most precise joystick that I have ever used.

_54th_Target

Ketalar
01-06-2005, 02:26 PM
I have to agree with the other speakers. Microsoft made the best FFB stick (MS FFB2). I don't really follow the new FFB's since I've got an MS stick hidden in the basement until the day when my current FFB2 dies (although I hope that day never comes...).

Bearcat99
01-06-2005, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
I have to agree with the other speakers. Microsoft _made_ the best FFB stick (MS FFB2). I don't really follow the new FFB's since I've got an MS stick hidden in the basement until the day when my current FFB2 dies (although I hope that day never comes...). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldnt it be ahoot if the next gen sims didnt have support for the MS sticks..... I have one in my closet too.... still in the box un openedhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stackhouse25th
01-06-2005, 05:58 PM
FFB isnt what real flight sticks do. They make shake a little cus of the engine. I wish they would put more time into making it last longer and have greater accuracy as far as pin point movement and 'ease' of movement.

Fritzofn
01-06-2005, 06:43 PM
love the MSFF stick, u can realy feal flying on the edge of what a plane can do when doing a sharp turn or loop or whatever, but it's also easy to use when u intentional take a spin, and recover it, it's just....nothing iwe tested to date that can beat the MSFF on this :-)

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-06-2005, 09:11 PM
LOL...mine's sitting in the closet too. Slightly used but still ticking nonetheless. I seriously doubt I'll ever go back to it, but you never know.

TB

Saburo_0
01-06-2005, 10:11 PM
I still have my old Logitech Wingman FFB

http://www.sprintcomputer.com/systems/pics/joy150000.jpg

"Most force feedback controllers on the market today use a gear system to provide the effects. Logitech scrapped that idea for one that makes much more sense. Steel cables provide the effects in the Wingman Force, allowing for much less wear and tear on the internal mechanisms. Imagine plastic gears gnashing against each other to provide the effects in other controllers. Now picture steel cables on pulleys moving back and forth. It just makes sense. Add to that Logitech's track record in creating durable equipment, and you can imagine how solid this unit is. "

IL2-chuter
01-07-2005, 01:07 AM
I thought my MSFFB2 was getting a little old (a couple of switches were inconsistant) and technology moves on . . . so . . . I got a Thrustmaster TopGun FFB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Took it back and overhauled my MSFFB2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. Thrilled with it. And you can manually edit the FFB effects folders to get rid of the stupid http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif . . . stuff. I am a RL pilot and I wouldn't sim without it.

Fliger747
01-07-2005, 05:04 AM
I have a Logitec "Wingman", and it is a clever system using motors, drums and cables, tensioned by springs. Not using that one at present as it broke a spring (fixable however).

I have been using a non-FFB X-45 untill yesterday when I dug out the MS FFB-2 and hooked to the Saitek X-45 and CH pedals! So this allows me to still map a lot of features to the Saitek throttle, and prop pitch to the throttle slider on the MS FFB, plus a zillion other availale buttons and hats.

The main advantage of many of the FFB designs is a lack of centering notchiness, resulting in better fine control.

pacettid
01-07-2005, 05:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...Took it back and overhauled my MSFFB2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. Thrilled with it. And you can manually edit the FFB effects folders to get rid of the stupid http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif . . . stuff. I am a RL pilot and I wouldn't sim without it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Could you provide some details on how you went about "rebuilding" it?

Bearcat99
01-07-2005, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
FFB isnt what real flight sticks do. They make shake a little cus of the engine. I wish they would put more time into making it last longer and have greater accuracy as far as pin point movement and 'ease' of movement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have the gun effects turned off. I like the FFB stricktly for thje flight benifits. I never did like the shaking stick, but for flying it cant be beat.

Ketalar
01-07-2005, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I have the gun effects turned off. I like the FFB stricktly for thje flight benifits. I never did like the shaking stick, but for flying it cant be beat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bearcat:
I know this has been asked before, but how do I turn off the gun/cannon effects? I love the gun effects but I fear that they'll wear my stick down faster than if I fly without them.

And what do you mean "if the next gen sims didnt have support for the MS sticks"!? Then we'll stick (pun not intended) with the IL-2 series! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Mc_Roth
01-07-2005, 08:02 AM
There´s 2 versions of Cougar FFB. One cheap and one hard (cash and material).
Never tested any since i don´t live in US.
My plans are more toward the no move stick than back to ffb. althought i enjoyed my CH Force FX Imensely but had to retire it cause of loosy center.

DuxCorvan
01-07-2005, 08:13 AM
God made the best FFB stick for every man. Unfortunately, it has no USB connection and gives a sensation of losing control after half-an-hour of continued use... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Saburo_0
01-07-2005, 08:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I have the gun effects turned off. I like the FFB stricktly for thje flight benifits. I never did like the shaking stick, but for flying it cant be beat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


_Bearcat:_
I know this has been asked before, but how do I turn off the gun/cannon effects? I love the gun effects but I fear that they'll wear my stick down faster than if I fly without them.

And what do you mean "if the next gen sims didnt have support for the MS sticks"!? Then we'll stick (pun not intended) with the IL-2 series! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can go into your FFB folder in FB/PF & remove or rename the gun files, one is named Punch I believe the others are pretty obvious if IRC. just make a back up copy in case you want a file back.

Ketalar
01-07-2005, 09:22 AM
So just deleting or renaming them will solve it, and it won't crash IL-2? A bit off topic, I know, but still related to FFB...

lucas_valentine
01-07-2005, 02:44 PM
I have a MSSWFFB2 and it's fantastic, the best stick money can buy. Whats more if you want one, just look on Ebay, you'll find loads.

Osirisx9
01-07-2005, 05:48 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lucas_valentine:
I have a MSSWFFB2 and it's fantastic, the best stick money can buy. Whats more if you want one, just look on Ebay, you'll find loads.[/QUOTE

If you want a stick that will last , get a CH products stick. I prefer an acurate, well built,stick instead of something that shakes when I fire the guns. If CH products were to build a FFB stick I'll be in line to give them my hard earned cash.

RAF238thOsiris
www.warbirdsofprey.org (http://www.warbirdsofprey.org)

Bearcat99
01-07-2005, 05:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Osirisx9:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lucas_valentine:
I have a MSSWFFB2 and it's fantastic, the best stick money can buy. Whats more if you want one, just look on Ebay, you'll find loads.[/QUOTE

If you want a stick that will last , get a CH products stick. I prefer an acurate, well built,stick instead of something that shakes when I fire the guns. If CH products were to build a FFB stick I'll be in line to give them my hard earned cash.

RAF238thOsiris
http://www.warbirdsofprey.org <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO..... I still have my original MSFFB stick that works fine from 2001. I gave it to my son to use. I have been using my current one almost everyday for at least an hour and as much as 12 hours on occassion when I am fortunate enough to have that kind of time. The stick is just as good as day one. While it is true that you usually DO get what you pay for... sometimes you get more. As in this sim... and my MSFFB2 joystick.

Bearcat99
01-07-2005, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I have the gun effects turned off. I like the FFB stricktly for thje flight benifits. I never did like the shaking stick, but for flying it cant be beat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


_Bearcat:_
I know this has been asked before, but how do I turn off the gun/cannon effects? I love the gun effects but I fear that they'll wear my stick down faster than if I fly without them.

And what do you mean "if the next gen sims didnt have support for the MS sticks"!? Then we'll stick (pun not intended) with the IL-2 series! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I simply turn it off in the inputs section I think it is. No config edits, nothing like that. The flight characteristics are still there.. at least on my rig running WinXP Pro.

Saburo_0
01-07-2005, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
So just deleting or renaming them will solve it, and it won't crash IL-2? A bit off topic, I know, but still related to FFB... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it won't crash the game. I guess it looks for the files doesn't find them & then moves on. Someone explained it that way to me once.

I haven't tried Bearcat's method myself, but looks like their maybe two ways to do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bearcat99
01-07-2005, 10:25 PM
Correction make that Hardware&gt;Inputs&gt; and just move the toggle to the right.

dutchman08
01-07-2005, 10:35 PM
I've had a Logitech Force 3D FF Joystick for about 2 years. It was a good joystick, but the twist handle started to fail.

So I see the "exact" same joystick on Overstock.Com for $19.99 - I figure, what the heck, I can replace my old dying joystick with the exact same thing. Fair deal.

Well, it's not the exact same thing, it's brand new, but made much cheaper than the one I bought years ago. The FF doesn't work and the calibration gets lost/messed up within moments of calibrating.

The model # is different than my original one and the SN is crossed out with black ink (but you can still read it).

I think Overstock.Com is selling bogus gear, so be aware if you are looking for deals, most of the time you get what you pay for.

Oh well, thankfully it was only $20 bucks I'm out. But I'm still without a good economy joystick for use with PF.

Daytraders
01-08-2005, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
God made the best FFB stick for every man. Unfortunately, it has no USB connection and gives a sensation of losing control after half-an-hour of continued use... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or just a few minutes in some peoples cases http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DuxCorvan
01-08-2005, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daytraders:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
God made the best FFB stick for every man. Unfortunately, it has no USB connection and gives a sensation of losing control after half-an-hour of continued use... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

or just a few minutes in some peoples cases http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

n00bs! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

TheGozr
01-08-2005, 02:33 PM
I recently purchase a stick and i really love such a difference. any FFB( totally unrealistic),any Saitek,any logitec are just toys IMO and i never realized this before.

Many of us come out with some complaints about stallings and planes manoeuverability , since now on i would not beleive or retain any infos with someone using TOYS..
It's hard and harsh to say this but it's a fact and i never beleived it before.. We spend a lot of time piloting plane in the sim, it all depend on how you concider il2 to be for you.