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Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 08:47 PM
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I got the IL-2 game, also by Ubisoft, a long time ago. I never got into playing it, as I seriously injured my back at work and was literally unable to sit at my computer to play any games. Consequently, I lent my copy to a friend. Now it is almost two years later and I am only just able to get back to gaming, thanks to some new medication, physiotherapy and healing time. I saw the ad for SH3, then bought a new computer powerful enough to run it well: Athlon 64, 2 gigs RAM, Nvidea graphics card. It runs super-duper for me; I've altered the time compression so that I routinely run around at 2048 for the long haul voyages.

Now, after boring you with the above and to get to the point, should I get back my copy of IL-2? I've seen ads for some kind of "Gold Pack" which has IL-2 and some add-ons. I would feel like some kind of muppet asking for my game to be returned, seeing as how it is now "binware." Should I invest in the all-in-one package? Is there a community for modding IL-2 as with SH3? Will I be able to enjoy force-feedback in the game with my Microsoft Sidweinder joystick?

Any relevant information greatly appreciated. I'm asking here because I've seen a few posts with avatars and such relating to IL-2.

Thanks guys, and gals too, of course. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

K61

Cpt.Thorne
09-09-2005, 09:08 PM
Hi K61
Yes yes and yes, or no yes yes. You might wanna buyt il2 forgotten battles ace expansionpack and pacific fighter start with the Ace Expanison pack (AEP) lots more stuff than in the original IL-2 missions/campaigns, better graphs more airplanes etc same kinda community modding missionmaking allkinda stuff similar to SHIII, good community I´d say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif also I´d say there is atleast one hyper lobby multiplayer game going on 24/7 so lots of online playing possibilities. Also recommend getting a good joystick to make it enjoyable to control the basic controls of the plane in a heated battle not being forced to get your finger on the keyboard. I have kinda drifted away from IL-2 because of my playing habits of Combat Mission and now SHIII has drifted me to the battle of the atlantic...will get back to flying soon always loved that too. Start your journey to the blue yonder in here IL-2 site (http://www.pacific-fighters.com/en/home.php?skin=S2) Maybe we´ll meet someday in the blue skies...hopefully on the same side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Cheers
Cpt.Thorne

julien673
09-09-2005, 09:31 PM
totaly agree whit him

And welcome back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 09:45 PM
Thanks. Cpt. Thorne! Good info. I currently have the MS Sidewinder which I used to use when playing Combat Flight Simulator. I loved feeling the runway rumbling underneath me and the torsional forces in flight. I remember coming back across the channel in my 109, ailerons shot to ribbons, fighting the stick to keep it level and straight. Good\bad game, typical of Microsoft's programs, good idea with bad execution. It sure got boring quickly doing the same scripted missions ad nauseum. Is IL-2 dynamic campaign similar to SH3?

What flight stick do you recommend? I imagine the technology has moved on. I live in a small town which does not have any stores that have a good selection. I always have to go out of town to Future Shop or Best Buy, and even then they do not always have what's the best, just a selection trying to market to the general population. I recall CH Products used to market a good line of flight-sim related stuff. I don't even know if they are in business anymore.

It's been a real bummer being laid off from gaming the last two and a half, nearly three years. I'm a trucker by occupation and over the last 20 or so years I've had a number of injuries to my lower back, headon collision with a 5-tonne truck who came into my lane, slips on trailer floors. I took a two year hiatus from the road to do some shunting work in our yard, jockeying trailers around the yard and during that time I developed a herniated disc problem with very painful sciatica radiating down to my left foot. It left me unable to sit at all. I used to wear knee pads around the house, kneeling at meals to eat instead of sitting. Real bummer, it was, and of course I had to give up computing until I got a notebook computer, which I would take into bed with me for email and internet, but no gaming. Now I'm getting better to the point where I can sit long enough to enjoy a game, and SH3 is it. But I also want to get back into my flight sims.

My past favourites have been Battlehawks, going back to Commodore Amiga days, Their Finest Hour and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe by Lucas Arts. Then there were a number I tried after that which were somewhat disappointing, Aces of the Pacific I think was the name of one, CFS 2 really stank, in my opinion, with that stupid comic book storyline interface. CFS1 soon grew old, and I tried CFS3 but found I just couldn't adapt to it. Now I want to try IL-2 again, and will on your recommendation. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Cheers!

K61

Hawggy
09-09-2005, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
My past favourites have been Battlehawks, going back to Commodore Amiga days, Their Finest Hour and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe by Lucas Arts.

My greatest nightmare is that there will never be another WWII flitesim that comes close to how fun those three games were. IL-2+AEP+PF is great, but still has missing pieces in it's composition that these classix sure had. Then again, multiplayer was non-existant then, so it was simplier for devs, and I will say Oleg Maddox and team make a great game.

SWOTL represents the good ol days, and I fear I'll never again have that much fun in a sim.

Kaleun1961
09-09-2005, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Hawggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
My past favourites have been Battlehawks, going back to Commodore Amiga days, Their Finest Hour and Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe by Lucas Arts.

My greatest nightmare is that there will never be another WWII flitesim that comes close to how fun those three games were. IL-2+AEP+PF is great, but still has missing pieces in it's composition that these classix sure had. Then again, multiplayer was non-existant then, so it was simplier for devs, and I will say Oleg Maddox and team make a great game.

SWOTL represents the good ol days, and I fear I'll never again have that much fun in a sim. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've still got old hardware sitting around in storage, capable of running DOS only, in the hopes that I can get my hands on these again one day. I remember selling off my old copy of SWOTL to some kid at a garage sale. What a mistake, in retrospect, that has turned out to be. Where is that kid now? I can't find that game anywhere. I tried Underdogs but Lucas Arts hasn't released the game to them.

Their Finest Hour was great too, because you could play it from either side and had some influence over the outcome of the war, as with SWOTL. But the problem was my Amiga kept eating the diskettes. It had no hard drive in those days; everything ran from 3.5" floppies. It had copy protection too, so I couldn't run from backups and discard them when they got mangled.

vanjast
09-10-2005, 12:42 AM
I've been 'flying' some 2 or 3 years now on IL2. A truly great game, with Oleg and his team, consistently in contact with the community which is great as we get good feedback on patches (which have been numerous).
This game is a notch (make that 100000 notches) above the rest. You'll find it nearly impossible to play with at first, but work on it, and you be greatly rewarded (Iron Cross, Red Star, DFC..).

As for hardware, I use a Saitek X45 (currently broken so I'm a sub captain until I fix it). I recommend this over your stick. It's well worth it as it allows you HOTAS (Hands-on-throttle-and-stick / hands off keyboard)) play where every second makes the difference between life and death.

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Cpt.Thorne
09-10-2005, 04:37 AM
K61
Well woke up after my nightshift. So about the joysticks. As far as I am concerned there are 3 ways of going at it. The basic way Logitech Joysticks (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/productlist/US/EN,crid=2214) (I have the Attack 3 and am happy with it so far with throttle and 11 buttons to control/shoot with the plane). Or the Grog way Saitek (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/pcgc.asp) or the pro way with throttles and rudder pedals etc. CH Joysticks (http://www.chproducts.com/retail_flash/index.html) anyone suit themselves the best way they see reasonable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but like I said I am happy with the basic stick with enough buttons and throttle on it to maneuvre the plane HOTAS. Hopefully these helped.
Cheers
Cpt.T

Dominicrigg
09-10-2005, 05:03 AM
I would recommend sturmovik! Its a great game, i loved it. ~But i have not played pacific fighters, i would get sturmovik with the add on pack, as the aircraft and theatre is much more exciting then the pacific (in my opinion)

The best thing to do would be to get your copy back from your friend (its yours after all...) and then wait for the battle of britain game by oleg, this should be rocktastic.

As for campaigns they are pretty dull and lifeless in the sturmovik game, very badly translated english and though the map is supposed to change according to missions you get none of that feeling. Its strongest point is single missions and multiplayer. You can have months of fun in multiplayer without a doubt!

Lets hope for the british game he makes a new single player style interface ect, then it will really be the best game in the history of the universe!

joeap
09-10-2005, 06:04 AM
Well get all 3 if you can. IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles Gold Pack (with the Aces expansion) and the Pacific Fighters. Even if you are not into the Pacific there are some good planes for the ETO, plus trying a carrier landing or too might be fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Point is if you want to keep up with the patches you need all 3...and the patches have added some great content.

vanjast
09-10-2005, 06:07 AM
Get all 3 AND the latest patch. The latest patch introduces the most realistic flight model to date... and it's soooo goood http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

capt_frank
09-10-2005, 06:59 AM
Kaleun1961,

i use my trusty ole MS sidewinder precision 2 joystick hooked up with a saitek X52. i love the feel of the sidewinder with the X52 throttle. the X52 stick is used as a button bay.

Kaleun1961
09-10-2005, 01:46 PM
Thanks everyone one for your posts. I think I will go out and get the whole package deal. I can get the basic game for $20, no big deal to let my friend keep it. His wife doesn't like to let him spend a lot of money on games; I can afford to let this one go.

I like the idea of getting all the add-ons and patches in one big software suite. You've all given me some good advice on hardware as well, so that will be my next acquisition. First I have to pay for the CPU I messed up while working on my brother's computer. If you want, you can read up on that in the help forum in the thread, "Bent CPU Pins." What an expensive mistake. I will have to get the Visa card cleared off after that and then get the IL-2 pack.

Cheers, everyone! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

K61

vanjast
09-12-2005, 05:45 PM
In the SH3 forums there are only a few running at 100% reality settings, and this is not that hard.
You'll think I'm joking but wait until you start with 100% IL2 stuff, you find SH3 100% childs play.
On both sims I 'ARE' 100% and nothing less. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Kaleun1961 as soon as you're accustomed to IL2 switch to 100% -- you'll never look back.
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vanjast
09-12-2005, 06:11 PM
A few movies from yours truly..
Fw190vsYak3 (http://www.vanjast.com/images/FWTut.avi)(40MB)
Fw190vsMustang (http://www.vanjast.com/images/Elite.avi)(52MB)
LowLevelBomb (http://www.vanjast.com/images/LowOne.avi)(16MB)
SoppyMovie (http://www.vanjast.com/images/SoFarAway.avi)(55MB)
HighAltitude (http://www.vanjast.com/images/UberFW190.avi)(50MB)
Fw190vsMustang2 (http://www.vanjast.com/images/BatMobile.wmv)(25MB)
TigersVsZeros (http://www.vanjast.com/images/FastFurious.wmv)(37MB)
PacificWar (http://www.vanjast.com/images/wingman.wmv)(27MB)
Normandy (http://www.vanjast.com/images/BattleOfNormandy1.wmv)(187MB)
Armada43 (http://www.vanjast.com/images/Armada43.wmv)(270MB)

Plus there are countless excellent movies here..
IL2 movie Makers (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=400102&f=65710358)