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Frequent_Flyer
06-02-2006, 08:40 AM
I have found a few web sites that give a rough estimate of 195-203 P-47's made it to Russia via lend lease. Can anyone direct me to a site that may describe their combat history in Russia?

TgD Thunderbolt56
06-02-2006, 08:58 AM
I know it was less than stellar according to Russian reports. I'll look for that info...


TB

jurinko
06-02-2006, 09:08 AM
Soviets received 268 Thunderbolts - P-47D-22 and D-27. They admired its range, speed, altitude performance, armament and overall quality and attention to detail. However, after they had tried to turn with it as with Yak it was quickly told the Jug is not suitable as a fighter for Eastern front. They moved them to Navy, which considered them as excellent long-range fighter-bombers against ships. After the war, P-47s were scrapped.

berg417448
06-02-2006, 09:09 AM
some info here:

http://www.il2center.com/Allied/US/09/Index.html

Frequent_Flyer
06-02-2006, 12:35 PM
Thanks for the response. It interesting that the Russians would go thru the trouble to replace the mgs on a Hurricane and not replace two .50's with the 20mm on a far superior craft like the Tbolt. Two 20mm and 6 .50's would have have been fun.

SeaFireLIV
06-02-2006, 12:46 PM
perhaps they just got too put off by the fact they couldn`t turn fight in a P47, where a hurricane could. So they were prepared to make the effort to change guns on that plane.

Who knows with a new Russian pilot leader or if Soviet orders where changed we could`ve had an interesting heavy-gun P-47!

Eagle_361st
06-02-2006, 12:57 PM
Mostly what it comes down to is the difference in doctrines. Meaning the Russian doctrine on fighter capabilities and the US were completely different. Also the airwar in the Eastern front very rarely took place at the altitude where the Jug could have been truly effective as an air to air fighter there. I have read somewhere but can't remember where that the Russians were also making a big deal about the "lack of usability" of the P-47 in order to try and pressure the US to give them more P-51's. I can't honestly remember where I read that, so maybe somebody can verify the validity of that statement.

UberDemon
06-02-2006, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
some info here:

http://www.il2center.com/Allied/US/09/Index.html

Holy cr*p! I did write that article for luthier when il2center was in full swing... and it includes info Oleg Maddox sent to me personally. I forgot about that.

PBNA-Boosher
06-02-2006, 03:21 PM
I remember the old days of IL2 Center. Those were good, before the big hacks came along.

Frequent_Flyer
06-02-2006, 05:14 PM
Seafire, also I know that squd. 151 were RAF pilots who taught the VVS how to get to most from their craft. However, that was not the case for the P-47. It is Ironic that the P-40 also far superior to the Hurricane was adequately armed with only 6 X .50's in the mind of the VVS. Yet the twin cannon Spitfire was not appreciated either.