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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 04:56 PM
Posted in before in ORR but I think there might be someone interested in here too:


Tested above sea (to keep the turns horizontal) at loaded weight and full ammo, radiators closed and prop pitch 100% or Auto (german planes).

Model / time for 360 degrees sustained turn / sustained speed in FB / turn time in RL / sustained speed in RL

Bf109E4 / 21 / 260 / 19 / 270
Bf109F4 / 20 / 280 / 18 / 300
Bf109G2 / 19 / 280 / 20 / 320
Bf109G6 / 22 / 280 / 20
Bf109G6late / 22 / 280 / 20
Bf109G6/AS / 20 / 290 / 20
Bf109G10 / 20 / 290 / 20
Bf109K4 / 21 / 310 / 21 / 340
Me262 / 31 / 330 / 20 / 480
Fw190A5 / 21 / 310 / 23
Fw190A9 / 21 / 340 / 23
Fw190D9 / 22 / 340 / 22 / 350

Yak1 / 20 / 260 / 20 / 260
Yak1b / 18 / 270 / 18 / 280
Yak9 / 18 / 280 / 18 / 280
Yak3 / 16 / 300 / 18 / 300
Yak9U / 19 / 300 / 20 / 300
Lagg3 '41 / 21 / 270 / 21
Lagg3 '43 / 19 / 280 / 19
La5 / 20 / 270 / 21
La5F / 19 / 280 / 20
La7 / 16 / 300 / 18 / 320

P39N / 18 / 280 / 19
P39Q1 / 20 / 280 / 20 / 300
P40M / 19 / 260 / 19 / 260
P47D5 / 23 / 300 / 26 / 300
P47D27 / 24 / 300 /
HurricaneI / 20 / 250 / 18
HurricaneIIb / 21 / 230 / 19 / 270
HurricaneIIc / 19 / 250 / 19 / 260



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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 04:56 PM
Posted in before in ORR but I think there might be someone interested in here too:


Tested above sea (to keep the turns horizontal) at loaded weight and full ammo, radiators closed and prop pitch 100% or Auto (german planes).

Model / time for 360 degrees sustained turn / sustained speed in FB / turn time in RL / sustained speed in RL

Bf109E4 / 21 / 260 / 19 / 270
Bf109F4 / 20 / 280 / 18 / 300
Bf109G2 / 19 / 280 / 20 / 320
Bf109G6 / 22 / 280 / 20
Bf109G6late / 22 / 280 / 20
Bf109G6/AS / 20 / 290 / 20
Bf109G10 / 20 / 290 / 20
Bf109K4 / 21 / 310 / 21 / 340
Me262 / 31 / 330 / 20 / 480
Fw190A5 / 21 / 310 / 23
Fw190A9 / 21 / 340 / 23
Fw190D9 / 22 / 340 / 22 / 350

Yak1 / 20 / 260 / 20 / 260
Yak1b / 18 / 270 / 18 / 280
Yak9 / 18 / 280 / 18 / 280
Yak3 / 16 / 300 / 18 / 300
Yak9U / 19 / 300 / 20 / 300
Lagg3 '41 / 21 / 270 / 21
Lagg3 '43 / 19 / 280 / 19
La5 / 20 / 270 / 21
La5F / 19 / 280 / 20
La7 / 16 / 300 / 18 / 320

P39N / 18 / 280 / 19
P39Q1 / 20 / 280 / 20 / 300
P40M / 19 / 260 / 19 / 260
P47D5 / 23 / 300 / 26 / 300
P47D27 / 24 / 300 /
HurricaneI / 20 / 250 / 18
HurricaneIIb / 21 / 230 / 19 / 270
HurricaneIIc / 19 / 250 / 19 / 260



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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:04 PM
Thanks, interesting and backs up your other thread.

The one that really stands out is the Me 262. I'm afraid that in FB 1.1b it always feels like it's flying with its undercarriage down.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:14 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- Thanks, interesting and backs up your other thread.
-
- The one that really stands out is the Me 262. I'm
- afraid that in FB 1.1b it always feels like it's
- flying with its undercarriage down.


Yes absolutely. What FB really needs right now is a cumulative effect of Gs over pilot. Me-262 could sustained turns at high turn rate but at much higher G, making it very hard for the pilot (5G instead of 3G on best late war piston engine turnfighters).

In reality most pilots can sustain 1 turn at 7G, 2 turns at 5G and 4 turns at 3G.
Since FB does not have such a cumulative G effect (that will make turnfighting much more realistic) then Me-262 was crippled in turn, and unfortunately in everything related to energy retention.


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Message Edited on 08/18/0311:15AM by Huckebein_FW

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 05:40 PM
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Message Edited on 08/18/0306:40PM by Slechtvalk

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:26 PM
Huckebein_FW wrote:

(5G instead of - 3G on best late war piston engine turnfighters).



Can this be explained in a little more detail?


How is the ME 262 able to sustain Higher G in a turn?

Does the ME 262 have a higher powerloading or lower wingloading than late war piston engine turnfighters?





JG14_Josf

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:30 PM
Looks like the Fw190 A's are as overmodeled as the Yak3/La7.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:31 PM
Nobody actually flys at loaded weight in FB.

25-50% fuel would probably be more accurate...more for the 109's on a big map.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:34 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Looks like the Fw190 A's are as overmodeled as the
- Yak3/La7.


G2 also, you can outturn yak1&9, La5FN, F4, p39 with 2 fingers in your nose.

You can keep your energy much better than the fighters mentioned above with turnfighting.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:34 PM
Looks like the P-47 is the most overmodeled of them all!



JG14_Josf

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:35 PM
The G2 is only turning one second faster than it should. I looked for planes that were doing two seconds better than they should.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 06:52 PM
But you can maintain energy much better! First circle will be even but the second turn a p39, la5 can't turn with you anymore.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 07:23 PM
Nothing is overmodeled, just ask the experts. Everyting is correct. Just learn to fly it the way it is.