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AFJ_rsm
05-29-2007, 05:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtrfrcKoTc


Nuff said.


Now imagine if they did combat again.... yum

tagTaken2
05-29-2007, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:

Now imagine if they did combat again.... yum

Imagine if they tried to make money off a combat sim again. I already have a set of coasters.

MS are in for the cash and that's it. They managed to put out probably the best FFB stick ever- accident? Who knows... - and then dropped it because it wasn't generating the income. Forget about the love, try ebay.

Believe me, I'd be happy to eat my words.

triad773
05-29-2007, 06:19 AM
Not me.

But to each his own.

BGs_Ricky
05-29-2007, 06:19 AM
If it's the in-game music I'll never buy it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Worf101
05-29-2007, 06:29 AM
What???

No AAA?
No Bloodthirsty Huns after my hide?
No "Friendly" tracers whippin by my cockpit?

No thanks.

Superluminal_8
05-29-2007, 06:29 AM
Nah,need a new rig to get that run properly.Until then, occasional flight in FS9 will do.

Genie-
05-29-2007, 06:34 AM
it all looks nice in small movie .. but when you kick FSX on HIGH you stay tunned how BAD textures are done!

just look at end movie part with that Rio De Janeiro Jesus statue, and look at texture of ground he is standing on. Even on this low resolution movie you see how bad it is.

I was very dissapointed with look of FSX (i have tried on ultra high just to check how it looks)

check view on land all on ultra high
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1157/fsxpt1.jpg

leitmotiv
05-29-2007, 08:17 AM
You need a GOZR tune-up:

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?t=2005&sid=7f68f...c254373fec48c4b29876 (http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?t=2005&sid=7f68fe9df646c254373fec48c4b29876)

See all GOZR stickies:

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

LStarosta
05-29-2007, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Genie-:
it all looks nice in small movie .. but when you kick FSX on HIGH you stay tunned how BAD textures are done!

just look at end movie part with that Rio De Janeiro Jesus statue, and look at texture of ground he is standing on. Even on this low resolution movie you see how bad it is.

I was very dissapointed with look of FSX (i have tried on ultra high just to check how it looks)

check view on land all on ultra high
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1157/fsxpt1.jpg

My copy of FS9 running on a laptop with an Intel 945GM graphics unit has better graphics than that.

I_KG100_Prien
05-29-2007, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
You need a GOZR tune-up:

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?t=2005&sid=7f68f...c254373fec48c4b29876 (http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewtopic.php?t=2005&sid=7f68fe9df646c254373fec48c4b29876)

See all GOZR stickies:

http://www.gozr.net/iocl/viewforum.php?f=38

Yeah, there are tweaks needed to get the game to look like that.. Plus there are a lot of scenery packs to be downloaded that will make the game look that pretty.. Then it won't be all terrain, but just the areas that the packs spruce up.

Which is fine with me.. I think FSX is good stuff but I'm not someone who thinks graphics make a game... I'm more concerned with what I can do with the program to pass the time in an enjoyable fashion. What the terrain looks like has nothing to do with whether or not I'm doing my ILS approach properly.

Philipscdrw
05-29-2007, 09:41 AM
If I had the hard disk space, and if spending hours and hours on flightsim.com and avsim.com endlessly selecting, downloading, installing, debugging, cataloguing, and archiving countless addons was what I'd consider 'fun', then I'd get back into the Microsoft FS series. As it is there's enough systems administration to keep Il-2 running! My next sim move will be towards Condor soaring simulator I think.

I_KG100_Prien
05-29-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
If I had the hard disk space, and if spending hours and hours on flightsim.com and avsim.com endlessly selecting, downloading, installing, debugging, cataloguing, and archiving countless addons was what I'd consider 'fun', then I'd get back into the Microsoft FS series. As it is there's enough systems administration to keep Il-2 running! My next sim move will be towards Condor soaring simulator I think.

Funny thing is the program runs just fine stock. I have not downloaded a single scenery pack. I bought Shockwaves Wings of Power addon because it's neat. The only tweaks I did were a few of the ones that GOZR has posted up on his forum, just to get a few more FPS, and it took me all of about 2 minutes.

Never had a single problem with FSX out of the box.

I guess I'll follow the logic pattern and say until Oleg fixes the AI in IL2 I'll never touch it again. I've yet to see perfect software.

bzc3lk
05-29-2007, 09:55 AM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/fsx8.jpg http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/fsx7.jpg[/IMG] (http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/fsx7.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)
Two pictures from a four year old rig.I manage to average about 29 fps with medium traffic.

Xiolablu3
05-29-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm really not into flying around in a civilian plane on a computer, so I would never buy any of these FS games.

Bits of it do look nice tho.


I like the action in a combat sim. And specifically a WW2 combat sim.

Read the comments from people who own the game :-

Fromt the video creator :-

'Two things;

my computer is a AMD Athlon 64 x2 2ghz with 2gb ram and geforce 7800gt w/512mb ram.
It was edited on my quad xeon mac with final cut studio.

the footage was captured using fraps at 60fps, fullframe. FPS was between 4 and 10 throughout the capturing, but with the feature "no sync" wich doesn't record the frames that doesn't change'

From a game owner :-

'Is this an official Microsoft video? I have this game and to be honest I cannot even get close to those graphics!

Is it homemade or a Microsoft plug? If it is they should be ashamed of themselves for showing the FSX like this, not a single PC at the moment can show graphics like that right now,'


So it seems the video was captured at 4-10fps and speeded up and edited/touched up.

leitmotiv
05-29-2007, 11:13 AM
Rationalizations, haw haw. It takes about 20 minutes, tops, to do the most elementary work in the sim's scenery options to get FSX running as well as in that ad. Just refer to your basic GOZR tips. Yes, you do need a very good computer, but you do for everything now, and you will for BOB. If you want to play IL-2 46, fine, but there are many who require more than online antics to feel they have been flight simming. To me FSX is a taste of BOB, and I'd rather have that than the rather dated IL-2 46 right now.

Chivas
05-29-2007, 11:29 AM
FSX looks great up high but still sucks down low. No amount of Gozr treatment is going to change that. I'm hoping the Vista DX10 update will improve the terrain textures,shorelines,etc.

FSX does a great job for what it was designed to do. Some find it great fun, others find it boring. I would enjoy flying it more when the graphics are fixed. Graphics are everything to me as thats what I'm looking at and drawing the immersion from. If I flew only long haul flights at 10 to 30 thousand feet, FSX is outstanding. If you fly like I do down low its not so impressive.

The FSX engine will require alot of optimizing to include a decent damage model, combat FM, and mulitplayer. I hope MS will give it a go but don't think they have the desire to do it right.

BrotherVoodoo
05-29-2007, 11:40 AM
I love FSX for civil aviation! It's great to learn approaches, navigation, comms.... But when I get done with that, I always return to our beloved IL2 for some real action!

leitmotiv
05-29-2007, 12:20 PM
Do you own it, Chivas?

Chivas
05-29-2007, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Do you own it, Chivas?

Yes, and I wouldn't judge FSX unless I did. My computer is high end and can run FSX with all sliders maxed, but with some slow downs. I only turn down some road traffic and aircraft detail because I don't look at my own aircraft when flying. The SP1 patch did improve frame rate stability nicely but we will have to wait for the DX10 update to see any improvements in low terrain graphics. Hoping for the best.

major_setback
05-29-2007, 12:44 PM
FPS isn't quite so much an issue now with the SP1 update. It actually is playable now using autogen etc. My sysem is quite qood (dual core, 2 Gig memory) but it's over a year old now, so hardly state of the art.

If you like just flying you'll like it; if you just like fighting you won't.

I have had a couple of problems with add-ons, but that's just a small issue that I'll soon get on top of I'm sure.

Divine-Wind
05-29-2007, 12:48 PM
I have little desire to buy FSX, as I don't want to melt my Dell. (Yet) Missing out on a lot of stuff, but as it is I can barely squeeze out 15 FPS on FS9...

Hey, does Gozr have any FS9 optimization tips?

capt_frank
05-29-2007, 02:22 PM
I took the plunge and purchased a new computer so I could enjoy games such as FSX and SHIV rite now whilst anticipating KOS and BOB.

Yes, FSX does take just a tad bit of resources to run, but it shore is mighty fine. Do like the turbulence and rain/snow effects. Makes landing the toughest I've seen in any sim so far.

I just took a flight out of Interlaken in a heavy thunderstorm, quite spectaular...a little difficult keeping a heading when I entered the clouds.

I have not installed anything ceptin SP1 and it's smooth silk.

I for one am very glad I purchased it, with or without the ground textures as they currently are.

leitmotiv
05-29-2007, 02:36 PM
To be honest, I had no "issues" with the ground textures. I flew low over London and was amazed by the detail. It certainly will be better, but for now it is still amazing. And, after all it's the atmospheric effects on flying which make the sim, and those, and the FMs are wonderful.

Chivas
05-29-2007, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
To be honest, I had no "issues" with the ground textures. I flew low over London and was amazed by the detail. It certainly will be better, but for now it is still amazing. And, after all it's the atmospheric effects on flying which make the sim, and those, and the FMs are wonderful.

Yes the ground textures are what they are some people don't notice a problem others do. I was a bit of an landscape artist in my younger years so it just jumps out at me. The ground texture doesn't look solid, and out of focus making the trees and buildings look like they are floating. Its just something that MS had to hedge on to get all the other good things in the sim to work at reasonable frame rates.

VMF-214_HaVoK
05-29-2007, 04:34 PM
Looks stunning but Im all about the combat and online play. And Hyperlobby...cant forget that.

Divine-Wind
05-29-2007, 05:11 PM
Wow! I tried some of the tips in Gozr's thread, and FS9 flies beautifully! A bit of a stutter here and there, but a lot better than the fast-paced slideshow I had before. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Stew278
05-29-2007, 05:12 PM
So they had to do a bunch of tweaking and editing to get the video looking that smooth. I was wondering how a computer with worse specs than mine was making things so fluid. That's cheating. Let people see the stuttering slide show that is the unedited clip. Don't give them unrealistic expectations.

MS probably doesn't want to waste the time to make good terrain textures since most of the diehards end up buying addon terrain anyways. Making things too perfect from the get go would undermine all of the aftermarket companies that live off improvements for MSFS. Lots of money to be made there. Some of those terrain or plane addons cost as much as a full game.

Swivet
05-29-2007, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
I love FSX for civil aviation! It's great to learn approaches, navigation, comms.... But when I get done with that, I always return to our beloved IL2 for some real action!


What he said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


But i heard it's got moving animals and traffic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Now if they'd make a real DM for it or atleast be able to hit a few targets with military aircraft in designated areas only to hold my interest i might stick with it a little longer. Just get bored with it after a while http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.Still looks incredible tho

leitmotiv
05-29-2007, 07:48 PM
I paint, and I most definitely would not hold a Constable up to a computer-generated image (unless I wanted to laugh). For a degraded medium, FSX does all right. When I am chugging along at 250 in my Hampden at 3000 feet, it is as good as it gets. The airplanes, like the Flight Replicas 109s are just glorious. Even my old Skua in FS9 looks remarkable. To me, an artifact from the mid-20th century, just making this illusion do as well as it does is mind-boggling. I fancy in 30 years you will be able to buy CONSTABLE CLOUDS for FS45.

BoCfuss
05-29-2007, 09:45 PM
Here is a neat little video for those who haven't seen Tile Proxy yet.

http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w140/bramski/?action...rrent=matterhorn.flv (http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w140/bramski/?action=view&current=matterhorn.flv)

NAFP_supah
05-29-2007, 09:58 PM
VERY nice !

M_Gunz
05-29-2007, 10:30 PM
Dialup here so I'm not watching but if you think some eye-candy clip made on a high end system
is going to "make me have to buy FSX" then you must be as stupid as you think I must be.

Go peddle your tricycle out on the highway, there's another FSX thread here that goes into
specifics and the reccomendation is not "buy".

Old_Canuck
05-30-2007, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I paint, and I most definitely would not hold a Constable up to a computer-generated image (unless I wanted to laugh). For a degraded medium, FSX does all right. When I am chugging along at 250 in my Hampden at 3000 feet, it is as good as it gets. The airplanes, like the Flight Replicas 109s are just glorious. Even my old Skua in FS9 looks remarkable. To me, an artifact from the mid-20th century, just making this illusion do as well as it does is mind-boggling. I fancy in 30 years you will be able to buy CONSTABLE CLOUDS for FS45.

Does your Hampden have a good virtual cockpit? This Hampden is a few blocks from where I live. It's the only one on display in the world (Canadian Museum of Flight). Nearby is a restored Gooney Bird the Spirit of Skeena which used to belong to Queen Charlotte Airlines and which took me on my first trip to a logging camp on the Queen Charlotte Ilands in the late '60s.

http://www.canadianflight.org/collect/col_11a.jpg

http://www.canadianflight.org/collect/col_07.jpg

mrsiCkstar
05-30-2007, 01:43 AM
BoCfuss thamks for the video... there's an incredible sense of height and altitude on that video that I haven't ever seen on FS before... I'm wondering if with SP1 my system would run FSX decently?

right now I can max out all the settings in FS9 and run it without a hitch.

Te_Vigo
05-30-2007, 04:15 AM
The SP1 for FSX works pretty good FPS wise and helps a lot.
Can't wait to finish off my new rig... badaxe2/ dual core extreme/ fast RAM/ 4 ch RAID/ corssfire (when the ultra cards are released)
Hopefully FSX will have support for tesselation.

In reading through some of the blogs, there is a projection (not guaranteed) that the first Add On will have some large floating structures and something to land on them included.

I was wondering why a token military jet wasn't included with the initial release.

leitmotiv
05-30-2007, 08:24 AM
The Hampden is the brand new one for FSX by AlphaSim, Old_Canuck:

http://www.alphasim3.com/store/product_info.php?currency=CAD&products_id=201

Yes, the VC is very good and the externals are fabulous with the FSX reflections---looks like a real Hampden. I am crazy about this airplane so I am in hog heaven with it. Yes, I'm aware of that Canadian Hampden, have followed its progress over the years. Intend to visit it someday. In ENEMY COAST AHEAD Gibson describes night missions where they were toss bombing into railway tunnels with their Hampdens. Wild.

AFJ_rsm
05-30-2007, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Dialup here so I'm not watching but if you think some eye-candy clip made on a high end system
is going to "make me have to buy FSX" then you must be as stupid as you think I must be.

Go peddle your tricycle out on the highway, there's another FSX thread here that goes into
specifics and the reccomendation is not "buy".

I'm just quoting this for posterity.

I'm in a relatively good mood today so I will just let this pass. Just makes me wonder how come I got banned off ubi forums a while ago for so little while people like you still "enlighten" us with their presence

major_setback
05-30-2007, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by BoCfuss:
Here is a neat little video for those who haven't seen Tile Proxy yet.

http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w140/bramski/?action...rrent=matterhorn.flv (http://s175.photobucket.com/albums/w140/bramski/?action=view&current=matterhorn.flv)

Thats an amazing piece of film, but I have a question: What is Tile Proxy?

BaldieJr
05-30-2007, 01:45 PM
I did some searching for tileproxy. Holy cow.

Divine-Wind
05-30-2007, 01:51 PM
DANGIT MAN TELL ME WHAT IT IS OR I'LL SPONTANEOUSLY UNCOMBUST.

major_setback
05-30-2007, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
I did some searching for tileproxy. Holy cow.


I didn't do any searching for Tile Proxy at all... that should be up to the original poster GDI (God Damn It)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

leitmotiv
05-30-2007, 01:57 PM
Don't sweat it, AFJ_rsm. We will be far better prepared for BOB, and those who stick to IL-2 alone will have to do a lot of adaptation.

XyZspineZyX
05-30-2007, 02:17 PM
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tileproxy

Long live Google http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

BaldieJr
05-30-2007, 02:22 PM
Tileproxy downloads texture from google maps, mods them for FS, and FS uses them. Thats why that video looks so fast/good: its satellite textures.

I guess a lot of people are turning off autgen and getting a framerate boost.

I found some screens that are simply amazing. I have FS9 and will be trying tileproxy with it.

Bearcat99
05-30-2007, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Swivet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
I love FSX for civil aviation! It's great to learn approaches, navigation, comms.... But when I get done with that, I always return to our beloved IL2 for some real action!


What he said http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


But i heard it's got moving animals and traffic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Now if they'd make a real DM for it or atleast be able to hit a few targets with military aircraft in designated areas only to hold my interest i might stick with it a little longer. Just get bored with it after a while http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif.Still looks incredible tho </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they were smart they would do a combat patch or even a paid combat kit... ($19-$29) with DMs for everyting...

Divine-Wind
05-30-2007, 04:23 PM
Knowing M$ the DM's would be undermodelled, and then you'd have to buy a booster pack to fix it.

Wait that's EA, nevermind.

LStarosta
05-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Tileproxy downloads texture from google maps, mods them for FS, and FS uses them. Thats why that video looks so fast/good: its satellite textures.

I guess a lot of people are turning off autgen and getting a framerate boost.

I found some screens that are simply amazing. I have FS9 and will be trying tileproxy with it.

Let me know how that works for ya.

K_Freddie
05-30-2007, 04:51 PM
Same old story..
There are lot's of people flying simpleton sims, saying this and that ..... butt .... when it gets down to the nitty gritty, there can only be 1, Oleg's FW190-A9 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gee sorry forgot the ground textures.. I just assumed they were vastly superior... of course http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BoCfuss
05-30-2007, 05:58 PM
Tile Proxy uses mainley Virtual Earth and Google Earth for your ground textures, by proxy. The higher the Sat. Resolution the better it looks. Some areas look awesome and some look horrible. It takes 10 to 30 minutes to load and has no autogen. It is VFR heaven. But it is for slow movers.

Its not for me just yet. I will wait awhile and see what happens.

Philipscdrw
05-30-2007, 06:09 PM
If I got FSX, I'd get the VFR Scenery X packages from Just Flight/Horizon Simulations, for England/Wales. Unfortunately each of the three volumes takes up 20GB in "all bells & whistles" mode, and I've only got a 60GB HDD to begin with... I'd need a 120GB HDD just to begin to think about FSX. And I don't want it /that/ much. I'd prefer to spend the money on real flying!

AFJ_Locust
05-31-2007, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by AFJ_rsm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qtrfrcKoTc


Nuff said.


Now imagine if they did combat again.... yum

BRO ARE THERE GUNZ IN IT YET ??

AFJ_rsm
05-31-2007, 01:41 PM
not yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


i think there most definitely will be a cfs4 sooner rather than later though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

John_Wayne_
05-31-2007, 03:07 PM
FSX is good in parts. High up, it's great. Down low, there's problems. Solved eventually by a downloaded add-on, methinks. Thanks to Gozr (and the SP1 update), I've got it running at an acceptable rate, unless I fly over cities. In time I daresay I'll have it running as smoothly as FS9 - I've got so many airplanes, add-ons and improvements for it I'm loathe to give it up. Feel like Hitler in that FSX video sometimes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Allow me to illustrate.

FS9
1280 x 1024, Max terrain renders, max visibility, max traffic, max autogen, extremely dense scenery. 20 FPS (locked)


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fs92007-05-3114-58-18-01600.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fs92007-05-3115-13-01-06600.jpg

FSX
1024 x 768, Medium terrain renders, medium visibility, no traffic, normal autogen, normal density scenery (Gozr's tweaks applied). 6 - 10 FPS (attempted lock @ 15)


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-3112-37-34-81600.jpg


Southern England. FSX. Settings as above, 15 FPS.


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fsx2007-05-2215-51-47-21600.jpg


The 'burbs of New York. FS9


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fs92007-05-3115-10-51-98600.jpg



This would be a slideshow for me in FSX:-

New York.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fs92007-05-3115-15-35-31600.jpg

The city of Gloucester, England VFR compatable add-on.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b71/Big_Duke/fs92006-06-1001-19-51-51600.jpg

To sum up. I'm sticking with FS9 while experimenting with FSX - and liking what I see when it all goes right.

major_setback
05-31-2007, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Tileproxy downloads texture from google maps, mods them for FS, and FS uses them. Thats why that video looks so fast/good: its satellite textures.

I guess a lot of people are turning off autgen and getting a framerate boost.

I found some screens that are simply amazing. I have FS9 and will be trying tileproxy with it.

Thanks for the info, BtW there's something wrong with your signature link, whenever I click on it all I see is some tosser in the bath! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BoCfuss
05-31-2007, 09:44 PM
I'm with John Wayne, or I was, Until I upgraded my computer from an AMD 3500, to an Intel E6600 Dual Core, much better memory etc. I have it overclocked a bit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Now there is no way I go back to FS9. But it is sad to see FS9 go, as I spent the equivalent of the GNP of most third world countries on addons for it.