View Full Version : What a/c is this?

06-26-2008, 08:47 PM

Photo #19

06-26-2008, 09:22 PM
Grumman Avenger?

06-26-2008, 09:26 PM
For some reason the wing shape reminds me of a Fairy Fulmar.

EDIT: OOopss...I meant Fairy Firefly!

06-26-2008, 09:29 PM
My first thought was a TBF Avenger, but the leading wing edge is perpendicular to the fuselage and not swept. 2nd thought was a B5N Kate, but no dice there either. I'm not sure even the best photographic interpreters could tell you from just this photo. Too much of the plane is missing and light refraction on the water distorts the lines. With a few more pics from different angles, it may be possible. Heck, it may be some experimental home-built that someone ditched in.

06-26-2008, 09:31 PM
Yeah, I though TBF at first glance, but the wings are not right for an Avenger. The outer half should be more tapered and the ailerons are too large. The fuselage looks a little narrow as well.

06-26-2008, 09:41 PM
The Fulmar seems like a good possibility, but the wing tips look square. Did some later model have square wing tips?

06-26-2008, 10:10 PM
I meant to say Fairy Firefly earlier:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Fairey-Firefly-...4625&next_id=1304038 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Fairey-Firefly-AS-6/1305283&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=4&sok=WHERE__(aircraft_generic_%3D_%27Fairey_Firefly %27)_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=1314625&next_id=1304038)

06-26-2008, 10:24 PM
not a fulmar


Aside from the wingtips the leading edge on the wreck is virtually perpendicular. This may suggest an earlier period or a GA rather than military build ?

06-26-2008, 10:29 PM
The inboard leading edges are not right.

There was a model (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Fairey-Firefly-TT/1109842&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=19&sok=WHERE__%28aircraft_generic_%3D_%27Fairey_Firef ly%27%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=1128858&next_id=1099448) that didn't have the leading edge radiators, but it had rounded wing tips and smaller ailerons than the airplane in the picture.

06-26-2008, 10:39 PM
Just thinking out loud here.

The wings do resemble a clipped wing spit. The contours seem right, and the ailerons go all the way out to the wing tips, but the wings look to long.

06-26-2008, 10:40 PM
Now of course just because its underwater doesnt necessarily make it a naval aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It could almost be an early 109 except for the wing being too wide

06-26-2008, 11:44 PM
It does sorta look like an early 109. Stubby nose though.

06-27-2008, 12:50 AM
Here it is for anyone who doesn't want to click through the photo scroll...
It looks a little bit like a Kawasaki KI-61 with the wing-tips removed.
But their is also a clip-wing spitfire "vibe" too...(Heck if I know_LOL)

06-27-2008, 01:21 AM
The wing is dead on, but I still have my doubts. It sure does look like it has a long cockpit, like a dive or torpedo bomber.


06-27-2008, 02:30 AM
I just wonder is it upside down?. Could it just have ripped the floor of in hitting the water, or could it just have rusted away.

06-27-2008, 03:26 AM
I don't think it's a spit, because towards the wingtips there is a slight "bow" (curve) on the leading edge.

It's hard for me to explain, because english is not my homelanguage. But I hope you understand what I mean.

06-27-2008, 04:15 AM
That is a Spitfire, upright. It has either had equipment salvaged from it, or it has been hit repeatedly by boats.

06-27-2008, 09:49 AM
after hours (ok minutes) of studying the pic, I think its a plane of some sort. Only joking, I would go with Lietmotiv and say Spitfire also I would ignore what looks like an extended cockpit as being a by product of being underwater for so long. and the 'lump' on the starboard wing could just be a trick of water and light.

06-27-2008, 09:56 AM

Possibly one of these?

06-27-2008, 09:58 AM
After mind splitting deliberation, I have come to the conclusion it is probably, which is to say very likely, but the opposite can never be discounted or ignored no matter how dubious, febrile, inapt, absurd, or risible---anyway---it is highly likely to be inorganic.

06-27-2008, 12:08 PM
Another hint it might be spit are two dark squares that appear to be missing weapon covers at the approximately right places: two seem to be missing, one from a machinegun (left wing) and one from cannon (the right wing).

06-27-2008, 03:27 PM
Im thinking its sumberged http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif