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MZ6
11-16-2004, 07:38 AM
The M version, especially, seems like it would be relatively easy to make. From the D-27 currently in the game, the differences sum up to; adding dive brakes, doral fin, new crank case and repositioned landing light ( if I'm not mistaken ). That and 800+ hp.

MZ6
11-16-2004, 07:38 AM
The M version, especially, seems like it would be relatively easy to make. From the D-27 currently in the game, the differences sum up to; adding dive brakes, doral fin, new crank case and repositioned landing light ( if I'm not mistaken ). That and 800+ hp.

Atomic_Marten
11-16-2004, 07:43 AM
There were some rumours about N version, some guy's working on it, and he say that he lost all his work on model in unfortunate system crash. That's weird story....

Certainly hope so that we got this monster in near future... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Vipez-
11-16-2004, 11:17 AM
+800 hp? I Thought the P-47D had R-2800-59 clocked at 2300HP, and P-47M R-2800-57 clocked at 2800 hp, so more like +500 HP, just be precise
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J_Weaver
11-16-2004, 11:36 AM
What were the big differences between the D models and the m/n models?

Zyzbot
11-16-2004, 12:49 PM
http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Seversky-Republic8.html


http://www.adamsplanes.com/P-47N.htm

J_Weaver
11-16-2004, 10:08 PM
WOW! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Thanks! We gotta have a P47N. Is anyone acually working on one or is all this just wishful thinking?

woofiedog
11-17-2004, 12:31 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifExcellent reading Zyzbot! Thank's

Copperhead310th
11-17-2004, 12:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR><span class="ev_code_RED">Though not as fast as the stunning P-47M, the heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence.</span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifGo choke on that thought Luftwhiners. lol

mynameisroland
11-17-2004, 12:39 PM
IS the Ta152 H a

'regular' fighter? If so Id assume it could catch the mighty P47. Also could any regular US piston props fly at 48,500ft?

Copperhead310th
11-17-2004, 01:19 PM
Nope the Ta would eat the P-47's M/N's Dust.
it's that simple.

Kurfurst__
11-17-2004, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
_the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling._

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifGo choke on that thought Luftwhiners. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who needs to catch it if it`s already fleeing in terror at the first sight of the allmighty Kurfürst? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously, sure it`s fast as hell. It can run away (and only at really high altitudes), but apart from that, it`s the same sucker and climb and turnfight as the previous versions. The performance envelope isn`t really better in practical terms. The same old tactics make this plane (more) effective in fight as previous models..

mynameisroland
11-17-2004, 01:28 PM
Ta 152 did 472mph at altitude, and flew higher than the Jug could. The P47 would be in trouble even flying at 467mph when a Ta152 dives down with 8oooft altitude advantage

Cajun76
11-17-2004, 02:36 PM
For a more detailed account of 1st Lt. Perdomo.
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/perdomo/perdomo.htm

JG53Frankyboy
11-17-2004, 08:22 PM
i would call the Me262 as a fighter "in regular service" !

anyone knows how it performed at 10.000m ?

p1ngu666
11-17-2004, 09:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
_the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling._

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gifGo choke on that thought Luftwhiners. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who needs to catch it if it`s already fleeing in terror at the first sight of the allmighty Kurfürst? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously, sure it`s fast as hell. It can run away (and only at really high altitudes), but apart from that, it`s the same sucker and climb and turnfight as the previous versions. The performance envelope isn`t really better in practical terms. The same old tactics make this plane (more) effective in fight as previous models.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

a M would climb and turn better, more power, maybe lighter too, and didnt have the wing hardpoints, untill later fitted.

a N my climb better, not sure, could turn abit better tho cos of bigger wing.

N would dive better too i think, probably heavier, and with a extra 500-300hp over our p47s...

u could get away with more in the N/M in terms of tatics imo, better all round
http://www.pingu666.modded.me.uk/p47n/ if u wanna read about, and, if u like me, forget most of it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Cajun76
11-18-2004, 12:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
i would call the Me262 as a fighter "in regular service" !

anyone knows how it performed at 10.000m ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the red paragraph above. The statement refers to prop fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The N outperformed the latest D models in every meaningful way: rollrate, zoom climb, energy retention, top speed, general manueverability. So, had P-47Ns been deployed in the ETO, LW planes would likely have suffered even more. As it was, regular P-47s demonstrated they were more than capable of taking on thier opponents.

Remember, the P-47M protypes were around since mid 1943. They weren't ordered into production until mid 1944 for V-1 intercepts. They were not specially designed for V-1 intercepts, the P-47M was a natuaral developement of the P-47 line. If regualr P-47s been outclassed by thier opponents, the P-47M would undoubtedly been put into production sooner, they simply weren't needed to deal with the threats they faced. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
11-18-2004, 05:36 AM
ANY fighter ..... ANY Airforce http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but yes, i read the last sentence , there they spoke about piston engines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nevertheless , i have no doubt that the P-47N was a top notch fighter of its area !
and the Ta152H-1 , to few were build . but, leaving any biased ore nationalist thinkings away , in a fight betwenn these two birds , the tactical position and zthe pilot would make the winner - and dont forgett luck, every soldier in the world needs luck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and still the Tank hadnt the range and the groundattack abilities of the Jug .
i like the Thunderbolt since in in interest of combat planes , and thats for now over 25 years .

Diablo310th
11-18-2004, 05:59 AM
Alright...that does it. I am going to get the files maile dto the modeller that was working on the N. However...we need somebody else working on the model too just to insure it gets done. With all the 45 Axis ac coming out and in game it's time we got an updated version of the Jug too. The N model best suits IL2 right now because of Pacific Fighters. Again.....lets emplore somebody to get teh N model done. Shoot..I'll kick in a few bucks if somebody does it and it gets in the game. So come on all you modellers out there...somebody step up and "Just Do It".

Cajun76
11-18-2004, 06:43 AM
I and several others, (I don't want to speak on thier behalf in regards to actual pledges) have offered anywhere from (MISPRINT)&gt; $25 - $100 apiece for a late P-47 variant, even some so-called Luftwhiners. I'll put up at least a $100 myself if Oleg accepts it into the sim/game.

Personally, I like the P-47N over the P-47M. It's a multi-role, superlative fighter, able to go on long range escort or ground pound with ease, no special variant or Mk, and outclasses many one dimensional fighters that only have one real role. It's a true "war winner", imho.

Biloxi72
11-18-2004, 06:59 AM
S!
Bah why give us a new jug, give us the f4u-4 so we can then also do some early korean war maps. All the allies need in the late war Pacific is the F4u-4 it owns them all.

Let the flaming begin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Diablo310th
11-18-2004, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
I and several others, (I don't want to speak on thier behalf in regards to actual pledges) have offered anywhere from $525 - $100 apiece for a late P-47 variant, even some so-called Luftwhiners. I'll put up at least a $100 myself if Oleg accepts it into the sim/game.

Personally, I like the P-47N over the P-47M. It's a multi-role, superlative fighter, able to go on long range escort or ground pound with ease, no special variant or Mk, and outclasses many one dimensional fighters that only have one real role. It's a true "war winner", imho. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cajun.....I'm with you. I would much rather ahve the N model for what all it will do. any word however on a modeler that is willing to take on teh project now and do it quickly. I don't think there is alot of changes to actually ahve to be made to get it up and going. I know it's got a fillet on the tail, squared off wings and a different cockpit. Ok..so tehre is alot to do to get it running. also..didn't it ahve the K14 gunsite? The programming for that is already installed. Just add horsepower and roll and turning and speed to teh D-27 and a new pit and some cosmetic changes to teh 27 and joila' we have it. LOL ok I'm asking for alot...but like you Cajun...I'd put money up to get it in teh game. I fly teh Jug 99.9% of teh tiem anyway and for all the hours i ahve spent in it , it would be worth it.

VW-IceFire
11-18-2004, 08:12 AM
I'd want the P-47N model so I can run P-47N ground attack missions against Japan with HVAR's and bombs. It'd be a great plane to have for that...it was operational for several months from Iwo and I'd be happy to see it.

But I think the chances of the previous model are pretty much nil. It'd probably need to be done by an experienced modeler...

Eagle_361st
11-18-2004, 09:43 AM
My offer/pleadge still stands for the modeler who can do the "N" and get into the game in time. I still alot of what is needed to do the model and pit.

Cajun76
11-18-2004, 02:57 PM
Oops! That's $25 - $100, not $525!

Slantaye
11-18-2004, 11:14 PM
given a choice ill take the M over the N ....speed is life.

even a couple more mph matters. always.

notice how the p47s shot down ki84s on the deck with impugnity. it wasnt even a contest.

Korolov
11-18-2004, 11:40 PM
P-51H - 487mph (783kmh) @ 25,000ft (7620m)
F4U-5 - 470mph (756kmh) @ 26,800ft (8170m)
J7W1 "Shinden" - 466mph (750kmh) @ 28,545ft (8700m)

If anyone is curious, the P-47N was capable of 397mph (639kmh) at 3000m, which is the more important figure IMO.

Daiichidoku
11-18-2004, 11:50 PM
ok, I LOVE the Jug...its my number 1 ride...

but lets face it, the M was a one-off, and the N was limited numbers and very very late war....

yet another marginal type to pollute the FB seas with the i 185, La7 3xB20, etc

better to have from USA a P61, or even Marauders

Cajun76
11-19-2004, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
_P-51H_ - 487mph (783kmh) @ 25,000ft (7620m)
_F4U-5_ - 470mph (756kmh) @ 26,800ft (8170m)
_J7W1 "Shinden"_ - 466mph (750kmh) @ 28,545ft (8700m)

If anyone is curious, the P-47N was capable of 397mph (639kmh) at 3000m, which is the more important figure IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many from that list have more than 1000 examples, or even flew in combat during WWII? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

IIRC, the P-47N had over 1800 examples produced, the first deliveries beginning in September of 1944, the same month Bf-109Ks started arriving. I think around 1000 P-47Ns were produced before the war ended.

The M was fewer in numbers, about 130 examples.

WOLFMondo
11-19-2004, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
better to have from USA a P61, or even Marauders <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

More P47N's saw service than P61's in WW2 and certainly made more of an impact. Its certainly not marginal.

Eagle_361st
11-19-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
ok, I LOVE the Jug...its my number 1 ride...

but lets face it, the M was a one-off, and the N was limited numbers and very very late war....

yet another marginal type to pollute the FB seas with the i 185, La7 3xB20, etc

better to have from USA a P61, or even Marauders <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P-47 is quite far from marginal, obviously you do not love Jug. And as said before, there were over 1,500 examples made and used before the wars end. The contribution of the "N" is far higher than you seem to know.

Copperhead310th
11-20-2004, 05:20 AM
Does anyone know Olegs thought's on a P-47M or N? it seems i remeber he said NO to the idea of an M model but was open to the idea of an N.

Best hope for a P-47 N (or M) is the original modeler. *sigh* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I'm even starting to give up hope for the p-61.
Oleg says it's getting very late for new stuff.

Korolov
11-20-2004, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
How many from that list have more than 1000 examples, or even flew in combat during WWII? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

IIRC, the P-47N had over 1800 examples produced, the first deliveries beginning in September of 1944, the same month Bf-109Ks started arriving. I think around 1000 P-47Ns were produced before the war ended.

The M was fewer in numbers, about 130 examples. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Almost 600 examples of the P-51H were made, I don't know about the F4U-4/5 but I'm pretty sure there were quite a few of those.

But hey, I couldnt let this quote get away untouched:

"the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling."

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WOLFMondo
11-20-2004, 09:36 AM
I don't think any P51H's actually saw combat? I thought most of them built were in service but still were in the familiarisation process with there squads?

Cajun76
11-20-2004, 09:55 AM
I understand, but the quote is being taken out of context. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

When the N was deployed, no other prop fighter in regular service ie. operating in combat in at least squadron strength (something the Ta for one never achieved) could catch it except the P-47M.

IIRC, 555 examples of P-51H, first production model flown in Febuary 1945. It was not in operational staus when the war ended.

Production of the F4U-5 started in 1946. http://www.vought.com/heritage/products/html/f4u-5.html

And WUAF_Badsight's favorite, the Magnicent Lightning left the ground 3 times for a total flight time of 45 minutes as far as I can tell. Although it's a rather cool design, I don't know where the 466mph/750kph comes from, projected?

The cool thing about the P-47N is that not only is it bleeding fast and flying high in significant numbers, it wan't some one-sided, single role a/c. It could carry bombs and rockets as well. I see some planes beat the P-47N in 1 or two categories, usually not by much, but then they are outclassed or incapable of matching the rest of it's capabilities. IMHO, it was the superlative fighter of the war, able to do most any job required of a fighter or fighter/bomber.

It's at the top or near in all these categories:
Speed
Altitude
Range
Firepower
Ground Pounding (2500lbs of bombs and 8 HVARS)
Roll Rate
Dive
Ruggedness
Dependability
Visibility

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RocketRobin__
11-23-2004, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
i would call the Me262 as a fighter "in regular service" !

anyone knows how it performed at 10.000m ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the red paragraph above. The statement refers to prop fighters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The N outperformed the latest D models in every meaningful way: rollrate, zoom climb, energy retention, top speed, general manueverability. So, had P-47Ns been deployed in the ETO, LW planes would likely have suffered even more. As it was, regular P-47s demonstrated they were more than capable of taking on thier opponents.

Remember, the P-47M protypes were around since mid 1943. They weren't ordered into production until mid 1944 for V-1 intercepts. They were not specially designed for V-1 intercepts, the P-47M was a natuaral developement of the P-47 line. If regualr P-47s been outclassed by thier opponents, the P-47M would undoubtedly been put into production sooner, they simply weren't needed to deal with the threats they faced. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The reason the P47M wasn't deployed sooner is because the USAAF was phasing out P-47s with the less expensive P-51s.
The reason the 56th became equipped with the P-47M is because Hub Zemke refused to fly the P-51 and told the powers that what they could do with it.
When Zemke finally got his Ms, they were plagued with engine problems, because they were held on the docks in England so long that they had internal corrosion.

All things considered, I don't think I'd ever want to put my life in the hands of a US Army bean counter.

Fish6891
11-23-2004, 01:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Does anyone know Olegs thought's on a P-47M or N? it seems i remeber he said NO to the idea of an M model but was open to the idea of an N.

Best hope for a P-47 N (or M) is the original modeler. *sigh* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I'm even starting to give up hope for the p-61.
Oleg says it's getting very late for new stuff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the FW-190D13 hmm?

Copperhead310th
11-23-2004, 01:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fish6891:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Does anyone know Olegs thought's on a P-47M or N? it seems i remeber he said NO to the idea of an M model but was open to the idea of an N.

Best hope for a P-47 N (or M) is the original modeler. *sigh* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I'm even starting to give up hope for the p-61.
Oleg says it's getting very late for new stuff. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What about the FW-190D13 hmm? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

was far too late in the war.
if the world were a tub if ice cream...
FW-190's would be plane jane vanillia & P-47's would be Chocholate chip cookie dough. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

now if i were a big fan of the 190 series i would most likely agree and say...you know what! we just don't have enough FW-190 types in the Sim! Oleg..Please Sir....can we have some more?" But i'm not the big lover of the FW-190's. infact the ONLY 2 i like are the A3...not in sim & the A6. So on the VERY rare occation you find me in anything BUT a Thunderbolt....if for some reason i dunno...say get a wild hair up my a$$ i'll fly German. But if i do it's in a 190 A6 or 109 G/G-6/G6-AS.
Reasons:
1. Only german fighters i like.
2. i don't need to fly the latest UBER luftwaffe ufo super plane that seems to get better and better with each patch.
A6 suits me just nicely.
thank you very much...Drive through please.


Basically the P-47N/M are much needed on the allied side for the pacific. N for PTO. M for ETO to chase V-1's.