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ThaWhistle
03-30-2011, 12:14 PM
So did anyone else notice that with all the stuff about consumersim and capitalism in the subject 16 stuff in ACB, it almost seemed like a jab at us?


Think about it, they keep pumping out game after game, and are selling just about every piece of merchandise they can possibly slap the assassins creed name on.

Don't get me wrong, I will keep throwing money at Ubi as long as they keep cranking out these games, but there is something deeply ironic about the whole thing.

Abeonis
03-30-2011, 12:38 PM
Apart from a few shirts, there isn't that much merchandise based on the AC games out.

ThaWhistle
03-30-2011, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
Apart from a few shirts, there isn't that much merchandise based on the AC games out.

whatchu talkin bout willis?

tshirt, sweatshirts, thecomic books, that upcoming encylopedia, 9 games, that one video they sold on xbox and itunes. Thats more than most other games have. and given the somewhat anti-consumerism message in the game, that makes it stand out even more.

kriegerdesgottes
03-30-2011, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Abeonis:
Apart from a few shirts, there isn't that much merchandise based on the AC games out.

yeah I have to agree but I see what you are saying ThaWhistle, but really aside from the comics and the figures there isn't any AC merchandise other than digital material. Stupid Halo gets posters and keychains and towels and even call of duty gets more t-shirts and a freaking JEEP. I wish there was more AC merchandise but if there was I'd be sooo broke.

trueflyingsheep
03-30-2011, 05:38 PM
i really liked the atheistic*, anticapitalist undertone of the games. iít like ubisoft to be ďevenĒ bolder and show nude scenes in the next game. (because this is like flipping the bird to sexual double standards ubiquitous in a certain 50-state banana republic)

*or rather antitheistic, since the game isnít hostile against gods but rather against religions.

CanterburyTales
04-25-2011, 08:13 PM
I personally find it jarring not just from a meta standpoint, or a personal standpoint (I prefer capitalism myself), but also from the a story perspective: I could easily see the Assassins being connected with the rise of capitalism, as prior to it, there was feudalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism) and mercantilism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercantilism), which didn't offer much social mobility or civil and economic liberties as capitalism does. There's also the line saying that capitalism will end democracy, even though some scholars in real life have argued that in a lot of cases (though not all) that capitalism was a requirement for creating modern liberal democracies.

As far as Abstergo is concerned, they're arguably a shadow government variety of state capitalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism), which many argue was what the Soviet Union was.

Finally, to sum up this irony, here (http://sfdebris.blip.tv/file/5135122/) is a satire of anti-consumerist messages in an early episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Neelanna
04-26-2011, 03:00 PM
I thought the first two games did an excellent job of walking that fine line on keeping the politics of both sides in a gray area.
Brotherhood started to stray from that a bit, becoming slightly slanted toward leftist thought. Which to me is ironic, since it is equally dangerous and controlling of peoples free will.
It was there to a strong enough degree that I suspected Shaun of being a Templar plant as he seemed to be so typically leftist.
Hopefully Ubisoft realizes the HUGE mistake of choosing one side over the other in future games. Yes, corporations are big and evil, but no more so than governments.
Keep the rhetoric as individuals vs big entities of both sides and they will continue to be able to walk that fine gray line.

lilbacchant
04-26-2011, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by CanterburyTales:
There's also the line saying that capitalism will end democracy, even though some scholars in real life have argued that in a lot of cases (though not all) that capitalism was a requirement for creating modern liberal democracies.

Hmm, well the problem with capitalism is that without government regulations and controls, it will inevitably lead to monopolies and, most likely, transform the government itself into an oligarchy.

I'm not knocking capitalism, per say, simply pointing out that it, along with just about any economic system, has the potential to enslave a populace.

This potential becomes a particular concern when people start to value the economic system more than they value their government -- for whatever reasons.

Any economic system at its core relies on greed as a means of motivating its populace. Thus, if left unattended by "higher ideals", corruption and eventual loss of liberties will occur. Unfortunately, no society has yet arisen with a better solution to motivate its citizens -- i.e., better than greed, fear, etc.

And that, I think, is the point behind the templar's attitude toward capitalism. As far as they're concerned, it's still an easily manipulated exploitation of one of humanity's weaknesses: greed.

payrob07
04-26-2011, 10:55 PM
Capitalism is the only way America will survive. Socialism creates inflation, poverty, a terrible outlook on life, and dependence on a governing body. The American dream cannot be achieved through socialism and communism. Yes it has to be controlled, but doesn't everything? Everybody cannot have a job, and everyone cannot be rich, if that were the case our economy would die. There would be no consuming or anything. Capitalism gives us a dream. Socialism sucks. I've been to France thrice and life in the USA is much better.

ThaWhistle
04-27-2011, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by lilbacchant:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CanterburyTales:
There's also the line saying that capitalism will end democracy, even though some scholars in real life have argued that in a lot of cases (though not all) that capitalism was a requirement for creating modern liberal democracies.

Hmm, well the problem with capitalism is that without government regulations and controls, it will inevitably lead to monopolies and, most likely, transform the government itself into an oligarchy.

I'm not knocking capitalism, per say, simply pointing out that it, along with just about any economic system, has the potential to enslave a populace.

This potential becomes a particular concern when people start to value the economic system more than they value their government -- for whatever reasons.

Any economic system at its core relies on greed as a means of motivating its populace. Thus, if left unattended by "higher ideals", corruption and eventual loss of liberties will occur. Unfortunately, no society has yet arisen with a better solution to motivate its citizens -- i.e., better than greed, fear, etc.

And that, I think, is the point behind the templar's attitude toward capitalism. As far as they're concerned, it's still an easily manipulated exploitation of one of humanity's weaknesses: greed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the same is true of all systems of economics. when there is no regulation, a small group generally rises to the top.

lilbacchant
04-27-2011, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
the same is true of all systems of economics. when there is no regulation, a small group generally rises to the top.

My point exactly. And in the AC universe, Abstergo (templars) are that small group.

Biomedical-Fire
04-28-2011, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by ThaWhistle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Abeonis:
Apart from a few shirts, there isn't that much merchandise based on the AC games out.

whatchu talkin bout willis?

tshirt, sweatshirts, thecomic books, that upcoming encylopedia, 9 games, that one video they sold on xbox and itunes. Thats more than most other games have. and given the somewhat anti-consumerism message in the game, that makes it stand out even more. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'd just be happy if Ubisoft just made an Universal Collector's Edition of Assassin's Creed. Here in N. America we got a disappointing CE, but received an CE nonetheless of Assassin's Creed. Whereas the UK, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand did not. Then as an afterthought Ubi gave N. America the Assassin's Creed II Master Assassin Edition, while the UK, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand received the awesome Black Edition. Then Ubi insults N. America again with the questionable Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood Jack-in-the-Box Collector's Edition, while the UK, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand receive once again another awesome CE in the Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood Codex Edition. So if any Ubisoft dev or someone who thinks up these Collector's Editions, please make them universal. It would be nice if N. America for once received the same Collector's Edition as the UK, Europe, Asia, Australia and New Zealand receive. If every other publisher can give the world an universal CE, then why can't you?