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SpinSpinSugar
12-31-2003, 03:53 AM
I appreciate publishing a "we're likely to include these" planeset for BoB at such an early stage will set my-favourite-plane-whiners off, and as such may be best avoided but...

At least could we find out if BoB is likely to be a more balanced theatre sim with equal attention paid to fighters and multi-engined types? FB is heavily weighted toward fighters. Is that really what the people want? (I have no idea, I'm just curious).

Just reading "First Light" by Geoffrey Wellum and can't wait for BoB. I just hope we can hop into a Dornier/Heinkel or a Blenheim/Sterling with the same ease as a Spit I/Vb/Hurri or an Emil.

Cheers, Happy New Year to all in ORR http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SpinSpinSugar
12-31-2003, 03:53 AM
I appreciate publishing a "we're likely to include these" planeset for BoB at such an early stage will set my-favourite-plane-whiners off, and as such may be best avoided but...

At least could we find out if BoB is likely to be a more balanced theatre sim with equal attention paid to fighters and multi-engined types? FB is heavily weighted toward fighters. Is that really what the people want? (I have no idea, I'm just curious).

Just reading "First Light" by Geoffrey Wellum and can't wait for BoB. I just hope we can hop into a Dornier/Heinkel or a Blenheim/Sterling with the same ease as a Spit I/Vb/Hurri or an Emil.

Cheers, Happy New Year to all in ORR http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SSS

Fennec_P
12-31-2003, 06:24 AM
The distribution of fighters and bombers is probably due more to practical constraints than popularity.

1 medium bomber would take as much time to make as maybe 2 or 3 single seat fighters, so to make lots of bombers would be to eliminate many more fighter types.

Jippo01
12-31-2003, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
1 medium bomber would take as much time to make as maybe 2 or 3 single seat fighters, so to make lots of bombers would be to eliminate many more fighter types.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would think even much more. Gunner positions are very diccicult to research completely.

Hopefully we will see many multiengine planes in BoB, though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif At least we will have Bf-110 and Ju-88 for FB so these could convert to BoB. Why not also He-111. Only thing missing from the German side would then be Do-17.


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SpinSpinSugar
12-31-2003, 08:24 AM
Yeah, I appreciate the time multi-position bombers take to develop, I'm just wondering if they'll be in from the start in BoB, unlike IL2.

BoB is concentrating on relatively few aircraft (I'm quite happy with that, there were only ten or fifteen major types in the BoB anyways), I'm just wondering if the bombers are central to 1C's thinking along with the single engined types.

Cheers,

SSS

Dunkelgrun
12-31-2003, 11:10 AM
I would think that the bombers HAVE to be flyable in order to make the sim viable. Ten to twelve flyables has been quoted, so not forgetting that the Italian a/c are going to be included:

RAF
Spitfire
Hurricane

LUFTWAFFE
Bf109E
Bf110C
Ju87B
He111H
Ju88A
Do17

REGIA AERONAUTICA
Fiat BR20 Cicogna
Fiat G50 Falco

would seem to be the essentials. Plus a couple from:

Boulton Paul Defiant MkI
Bristol Blenheim Fighter
FockeWulf 200 Kondor C
Fiat CR42 Freccia

Hopefully there will be variants of some of the a/c that don't count as separate flyables, e.g. Hurricane I & IIA. Not many other a/c types actually saw combat so, look forward to those bombers!
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Stefan-R
12-31-2003, 12:55 PM
Making a a/c flyable contains two seperate thinks:
one is the 3d model
the other is the whole coding-thing with FM, DM ect.

I don't think that FM, DM ect can be made in such an early stage of BoB. So there would be a lot of time to make the 3d model. And the DM and FM of an bomber is as "easy" as the DM and FM of an fighter.

Also without bombers BoB would be very boring:
Luftwaffe: Bf 109 E-3 and maybe E-4 which are almost identical.
RAF: Spitfire Mk I and Hurricane Mk I

-> Big *bump* for the bombers! Lets hope that the forgotten aircrafts like Do17 and Ju88 of the Forgotten Battle will be included in BoB!

LeadSpitter_
01-01-2004, 09:34 AM
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Recon_609IAP
01-01-2004, 10:47 AM
Been begging for bombers in IL2 since it's release, but we continue to get fighters.

the eastern front without a flyable PE has been a shame.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-01-2004, 03:50 PM
Dunkelgrun, agree largely with your list. I hope there are some early RAF bombers in there however for offensive operations across the water. There was plenty of action around the BoB including anti shipping and bombing the barges being prepared for Sea Lion, plus nuisance raids further inland.

I'm not advocating extending too far beyond 40/41 because that would increase the number of types dramatically and I don't think would be in the spirit of a "focused" product, but in order to have balanced missions you'd need RAF bombing capability in terms of at least Blenheims, and probably Sterlings for hops across to St Omer / Lille / Lens etc. in that period.

Cheers,

SSS

Dunkelgrun
01-01-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Dunkelgrun, agree largely with your list. I hope there are some early RAF bombers in there however for offensive operations across the water. There was plenty of action around the BoB including anti shipping and bombing the barges being prepared for Sea Lion, plus nuisance raids further inland.

I'm not advocating extending too far beyond 40/41 because that would increase the number of types dramatically and I don't think would be in the spirit of a "focused" product, but in order to have balanced missions you'd need RAF bombing capability in terms of at least Blenheims, and probably Sterlings for hops across to St Omer / Lille / Lens etc. in that period.

Cheers,

SSS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Agreed, it would be nice to be able to fly some early RAF bombing raids, but with 10-12 flyables I'm not holding my breath. I think that there is a Wellington pictured in the dev. updates though, so we just might get lucky!
Cheers!


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carlopenn
01-03-2004, 09:20 AM
I own a copy of "Rowans Battle of Britain" which is an old Flight sim and in comparison nothing fantastic !! BUT.......This was my first Flight sim, it had a flyable Spitfire that looked the Biz... a Hurricane, Stuka, ME 109 and 110 you could also man the guns in a Dornier DO17 Heinkel 111 and a JU88. The detail was nowhere near as fantastic as IL2, but back in the hazy days of yesteryear technology didnt allow us this pleasure. The planes where all Equally matched and I had very few occasions in "flight" of the problems people complain about in IL2. One thing I recall and always enjoyed is using the "break" command, if your formation was in Danger and you announced the Break order, your formation broke !! You could fly the most "Historical" battles of the Battle of Britain. Anyway, My most memorable experience of this game was flying the "Battle of Britain day" mission, seriously heavy duty !! I never lasted more than a few minutes in this, the 109's would swoop down and whoop my ***...The bombers where many, in fact I could hazard a guess at 100 aircraft all flying in the same airspace.........Well, back to IL2.....I am so looking forward to BoB and hope that Oleg does as good a job as he has with IL2, I am excited to see how in a comparitive way the planes and AI will work and how accurate the game will be?
Also the thought of whizzing around over the Skies of london gives me a thrill.......Look out for the Barrage ballons..........lol

Sturmvogel66
01-03-2004, 04:46 PM
I would assume that since it will be a highly focused game, that they will take the time to model as much as they can. If they as a dev team cannot take on every historical model of the conflict, then third-party modellers can help. If Ubi makes the guidelines public soon, then imagine how much of a help the community could be. I know it is selfish to say I want I want, but I want to see this sim shine as the best flight sim ever created. It should be as historically accurate as possible, with flight models that cannot get any more perfect, and graphics that will make you wonder if it is just a game or not. I want to be able to scramble a Hurricane Mk.1 out of Biggin Hill just missing the hedges that flank the stream below as my wingman fixes himself on my right wing. I want to be climbing from 10,000 feet to 20,000 in my Spit Mk.1 along with my squadron getting vectors to the enemy bombers. I want the weather to be very dynamic, and even change during a single mission. I also want to see the obscure planes (maybe even flyable) such as the Fairy Swordfish, and the Boulton Paul Defiant, take off and fly over the English country side. I want to see a dynamic smart aircraft marking system, where each plane AI or player has a unique paint scheme, instead of a letter/number that goes down in alphabetical/numerical order. All in all I want this sim to be so amazing that everyone that loves flight sims will buy it so that Ubi can prosper and make it better and better, with addons and expansions. I love flight sims. The major point of my post is, I know that Ubi will do a great job, and I hope they take their time with BoB, and I wouldnt mind if it took a little longer than planned. I just hope they make the sim the best that it can be.

Sturmvogel66
01-05-2004, 10:15 PM
Well, guess I killed this thread http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

LEXX_Luthor
01-06-2004, 12:15 AM
We could do without most of the gunner positions. The only ones really interesting are the top gunner behind pilot, and possibly nose gunner. (you have to have rear gunner for Fb110). If this would save time, the most important thing is the bombers are made FLYABLE.

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