PDA

View Full Version : Is trackir worth the money



Daniel39363
10-21-2009, 08:30 PM
Is trackir really worth a hundred bucks. I really want it but I feel like it should only cost $30-$40. I think they are overpricing it, but I want the opinions of those who own the system. Thanks.

idonno
10-21-2009, 08:37 PM
Definately worth it.

The best thing to happen to flight sims since the joystick.

I don't agree with many who say that it's a big advantage (a little bit of an advantage maybe sometimes), I flew combat sims for years before I bought my TrackIR, but 6dof does make things easier and more emersive.

R_Target
10-21-2009, 08:48 PM
Yes.

ElAurens
10-21-2009, 09:11 PM
I won't fly without it ever again.

Stiletto-
10-21-2009, 09:15 PM
Only nerds fly without TrackIR. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Seriously though it is great, the immersion level it gives is worth it alone.

Choctaw111
10-21-2009, 09:19 PM
The TrackIR will enhance your simming experience, dollar for dollar, more than ANY other peripheral, hands down. Even more than a nice HOTAS setup. NOTHING can compare with the new situational awareness you get with this thing.
Once you do get a TrackIR you will wonder why or how you flew so long without it. It really is that good. You will never fly without it again.

Bearcat99
10-21-2009, 09:22 PM
Absolutely..

AWL_Spinner
10-21-2009, 09:25 PM
I was championing this back when it was TrackIR version 1.

Cannot fly without one.

Flying with one is truly a simulation of being there for the brain - the first time you fly a visual circuit, or track a burning bad guy down to the ground over your virtual shoulder.. well, it's a figurative eye opener.

Easily worth what you pay for a joystick.

Cheers, Spinner

skarden
10-21-2009, 09:39 PM
Yep,yes and absolutly! they're not joking when they say you'll never be able to fly with out it again.I'll fly with a crappy joystick loong before I part with my trackir.

Sillius_Sodus
10-21-2009, 10:03 PM
Nice video BillSwagger,

You showed some good fire discipline there. I don't use TrackIR but it seems that you would be panning around using the same kind head movements you would use in real life, making it very intuitive. The members of my squad who use it swear by it.

I have both the hat switch on my Saitek Cyborg Evo and the mini-stick on my CH Pro Throttle mapped to act like a mouse. Of the two the mini-stick is smoother but I've used a hat switch to look around for so long now that it's hard to change.

Waldo.Pepper
10-21-2009, 10:32 PM
Track IR is essential. It is worth $500.00
It is easily more important that the latest all singing all dancing joystick/hotas/pedal thingy that the manufacturers say you just gotta have.

Sell your first born. It is that good.

Clear enough?

TheFamilyMan
10-21-2009, 11:21 PM
Yes, but only if you are really into combat flight sims. If FSX is your passion, its not nearly as essential.

In terms of what it is like using a TIR, what happens (to me at least) is that eventually you think you are looking around "naturally" with your head, i.e. as if you were really in that cockpit scaning the skies. More that once when I've watch an IL-2 video have I turned my head expecting to be able to look around. IMO it's great to get one for IL-2 and for RoF or OFF I'd say it's required hardware. Enjoy, S!

RSS-Martin
10-21-2009, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by Stiletto-:
Only nerds fly without TrackIR. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Seriously though it is great, the immersion level it gives is worth it alone.

Ah yes....well guess I am a nerd.
Still get my kills flying my bomber, hit my targets, but I guess I am still doing something wrong? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Do you guys get loyalties from that company that makes those things? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

knightflyte
10-22-2009, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
I was championing this back when it was TrackIR version 1.

Cannot fly without one.

Flying with one is truly a simulation of being there for the brain - the first time you fly a visual circuit, or track a burning bad guy down to the ground over your virtual shoulder.. well, it's a figurative eye opener.

Easily worth what you pay for a joystick.

Cheers, Spinner


Ditto.

As others have chimed I WON'T fly without it. EVER. I bought my first Track IR with version 1. It worked very well when Forgotten Battles came ou and incorporated enhanced mode.

Since then nothing.... and I mean NOTHING has added to my enjoyment of flight simming and racing simming. I've hasd single sticks, HOTAS, HOTAS and rudder pedal. As much as I've progressed in accoutriment they pale to the Track IR.

If you are a casual simmer then I can see passing this by, but if you really consider this a hobby/past time then you owe it to yourself to at least look deeper into one.

If you want to see how effective Track IR is look at any of the Rise of Flight combat videos at you Tube.


I almost always mention this when replying to someones querie about this great peripheral.

Imagine flying a BF 109. You're chasing down Russian Pe-8s.As you nose over to attack you bear down on one blasting his engine with your cannon. You swoop down underneath and rise toward him for another clip. As you fly by or underneath you examine your flaming handi work. There's nothing so satisfying is there? Flying a mere feet away as the wing burns and falls away is amazing to see as you fly by. You turn your head and continue viewing the carnage as you scoop on by.

Anyway. This whole 109 attack is flawlessly viewed not by a hat switch or by IL2's tracking (I forgot what it's called I haven't used it in that long) but by your own head turning to get a view. This is a stunning immersion factor that can't be dicounted and is what sells the devise.

Ba5tard5word
10-22-2009, 12:57 AM
Where's the best place to order it from in the US and what is the best version for the cost?

TooCooL34
10-22-2009, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
Ah yes....well guess I am a nerd.
Still get my kills flying my bomber, hit my targets, but I guess I am still doing something wrong? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Do you guys get loyalties from that company that makes those things? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif
8 years old typical antagonism.
Just try it for your own sake.
You regent yourself for refusing to use it right after a few hours of adaption.

knightflyte
10-22-2009, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Where's the best place to order it from in the US and what is the best version for the cost?

I got both of mine at GoGamer. (ver 1 and ver 4) They may even have a freebie game to go with it.

CHeck Pro Vantage. They have good prices.

Vexicles
10-22-2009, 03:13 AM
I CAN'T fly without it. I CAN'T even go back the 3DOF.

Feathered_IV
10-22-2009, 05:35 AM
I would hate to have to spend the money on one again, but it was worth it for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

na85
10-22-2009, 07:55 AM
I tried flying without it just now and could not. I kept instinctively moving my head around to move the view, and when it wouldn't pan I got irritated and was shot down quickly.

Lt_Letum
10-22-2009, 08:03 AM
NO
Defiantly not.

Get EDITED instead.


That program is not allowed to be mentioned here.

Choctaw111
10-22-2009, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Lt_Letum:
NO
Defiantly not.

Get EDITED instead.

Do you have a TrackIR?
Have you ever used one?
In your defense, I have never used EDITED, but I have heard from countless people that the TrackIR has no rival.

That program is not allowed to be mentioned here.

Uufflakke
10-22-2009, 09:19 AM
I have a free alternative and works nice. Can't imagine to fly around without a headtracking device free or expensive.
I noticed while watching an IL2 clip on YouTube I moved my head left and right. It really happened. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

RAF_OldBuzzard
10-22-2009, 09:44 AM
TIR is definately worth it. I put it right up with, or possibly ahead of rudder pedals for making the game more playable.

I haven't used it for that long, I bought the TIR 5 Pro a couple of months ago.

Personally, I find that the "Pro" clip was a waste of money though. For me it seems to work better with the Hat Clip.

Lt_Letum
10-22-2009, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lt_Letum:
NO
Defiantly not.

Get EDITED instead.

Do you have a TrackIR?
Have you ever used one?
In your defense, I have never used EDITED, but I have heard from countless people that the TrackIR has no rival. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I have used TIR4 before. I do not own one.

EDITED in superior in the customization and
light interference handling and, of course,
price.

The only place TIR does better is in ease of
set up. EDITED isn't plug-and-play, but one
it is set up correctly it is as good as, and in
some ways, better than TIR.
It takes a lot of time and effort to get
working as it should.

That is not just my opinion either; it's the
experience of the majority of people who have
used both systems.

That program is not allowed to be mentioned here.

AK_Mongo
10-22-2009, 12:47 PM
To echo the choir...

Yes it is a great accessory.

I disagree with the notion that it is not as needed for FSX though, as the same immersion factors apply. i.e. moiving your head in teh direction you want to see, looking around the cockpit with 6dof, etc. Would not fly either without them.

I shudder to think how much worse a pilot I would be without TrackIr.

Choctaw111
10-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:


That program is not allowed to be mentioned here.

I was wondering what happened. This is the first time I have heard that we can't mentioned that program here.

arjisme
10-22-2009, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
Do you guys get loyalties from that company that makes those things? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif Actually, yes we do! Personally, I get $10 everytime TrackIR is mentioned. That's one reason why I love TrackIR! TrackIR is indispensable -- I would not fly without my TrackIR.

TrackIR. TrackIR. TrackIR. TrackIR. TrackIR.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Seriously though, I can understand taking pause at having to drop $100+ for it, but once you do and use it, you won't regret it in the least.

roybaty
10-22-2009, 01:58 PM
I have used TIR2, and before upgrading to TIR4 or 5 to get 6DOF I toyed with EDITED http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

After all the hassles of trying to use EDITED it was clear getting a new TIR was the way to go. I ordered a TIR4 off of NaturalPoint's website (www.naturalpoint.com)

It was cheaper than TIR5, I got 6DOF, and it was a huge improvement over TIR2 and EDITED http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

BTW we all get money for mentioning hardware in our sigs to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gorkyporky
10-22-2009, 02:02 PM
I put off ordering ym TIR for a while, and when i went to pick it up at the post office i was a little reluctant to give away my money for such an "unnecesarry" thing. Then i pluged it in, installed the software, spent half an hour cursing why it doesnt work. I was in a really bad mood, but behold, it sudenly started working! After 5 minutes of flying i had the biggest grin on my face, and if this one breaks down, im sure ill order the next one in a blink of an eye. Its just an amoazing piece of hardware, it gives you so much more imersion, situational awareness, you can easily track your opponent, and pretty much just makes the whole thing a lot more fun.

F16_Neo
10-22-2009, 02:14 PM
Is it F*******k that is being censored out? Can't see the point of that, is UBI in bed with Naturalpoint? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Used to left-mouse way back wile I didn't have any hotas taking up deskotop space. Worked, but nothing like TIR!
Still living in the 2dof world but that's about to change soon I hope.
A bit overpriced though, considered it's basically a webcam with a clever software.

Extreme_One
10-22-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm still using my trusty old TrackIR1 and I love it. It works like a dream.

I couldn't imagine flying without it and only wish I could afford (justify the expense to the wife) getting an up-to-date model! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

thefruitbat
10-22-2009, 03:56 PM
If my track ir broke tomorrow, i would buy another one, tomorrow.

6 dof is the nuts.

nuff said.

xTHRUDx
10-22-2009, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by Daniel39363:
Is trackir really worth a hundred bucks. I really want it but I feel like it should only cost $30-$40. I think they are overpricing it, but I want the opinions of those who own the system. Thanks.


yes it worth it. if you don't like it, i'm sure there are many who would be willing to buy it from you.

julian265
10-22-2009, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by F16_Neo:
Is it F*******k that is being censored out? Can't see the point of that, is UBI in bed with Naturalpoint? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


Lol f*****k

But yes, it is being editted out, and yes, NP has influenced other forums, and apparently game producers in the same way.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-22-2009, 04:24 PM
Worth every penny.

roybaty
10-22-2009, 05:22 PM
Scuttlebutt is that EDITED is based on hacked NP code.

Also for those saying TIR is expensive, well it's way less hassle than buying a compatible cam for EDITED, modifying said cam (and voiding any chance of return), futzing with clunky/unintuitive software, making a LED rig for your hat, and swearing at the whole damned mess when it STILL doesn't work as well as TIR http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

na85
10-22-2009, 06:18 PM
Can someone PM me and tell me what program we're not allowed to mention here?

And quite frankly I'm not liking the corporate censorship going on. No doubt the product in question is a NaturalPoint competitor but I had no idea that ubi.com's forum moderation policy is based on the marketing decisions of naturalpoint, inc.

na85
10-22-2009, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by julian265:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F16_Neo:
Is it F*******k that is being censored out? Can't see the point of that, is UBI in bed with Naturalpoint? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


Lol f*****k

But yes, it is being editted out, and yes, NP has influenced other forums, and apparently game producers in the same way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never mind, missed this post before.

I'm pretty sure that stifling discussion of EDITED at the very least constitutes collusion on ubisoft's part. Is there some sort of partnership between ubi and naturalpoint? I see no mention of this 'post restriction' in the rules.



Now why would you go an post that knowing full well you are not allowed to? Since I understand your concerns (I'll explain the situation in a PM) I'll not give you a ban, but be carefull.

fabianfred
10-22-2009, 06:51 PM
http://il2-sturmovik.de.ubi.com/en/home.php

see the advertising on the right......Natural point....

I have tried F******k and its better than nothing

na85
10-22-2009, 06:52 PM
unbelievable.

x6BL_Brando
10-22-2009, 06:55 PM
I think Roybaty is correct about the scuttlebutt - and that's why Ubisoft won't condone it. This is not a "corporate censorship" conspiracy, it's just a policy on software piracy and hardly surprising considering how Ubisoft make their living.

B

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-22-2009, 07:48 PM
What's TrackIR? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Ba5tard5word
10-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
Where's the best place to order it from in the US and what is the best version for the cost?

I got both of mine at GoGamer. (ver 1 and ver 4) They may even have a freebie game to go with it.

CHeck Pro Vantage. They have good prices. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm...provantage.com doesn't have any and neither does Gogamer.com. I found Track IR 4 here for $100:

http://www.thehumansolution.com/trackir3pro.html?utm

Where did all you guys get yours and what is a good price for a new one?

knightflyte
10-23-2009, 01:10 AM
Hmmmmm nothing at GoGamer?


http://www.gogamer.com/searchr...al+point&categoryId= (http://www.gogamer.com/searchresults.htm?keywords=natural+point&categoryId=)

I did a search for Track IR. nada. Tried Natural Point in the search box and Voila'.


Wow. I hadn't looked in a while. I thought they were going for ~$120 with game. Maybe they were dumping ver. 4.

Sorry,

Ba5tard5word
10-23-2009, 01:28 AM
Hmm. Well maybe I'll go for Track IR 4 for $100???

doraemil
10-23-2009, 02:07 AM
if track IR is as smooth as the mouse . . . and keeps my left hand free for throttle . ..

it'd be worth it for me, and since my friend has one and it works wonders in FPS . . .

its seems nearly everyone is united on how good it is.

will check it out

Fehler
10-23-2009, 02:28 AM
Simply put...

Track IR is worth more than you pay for it.

If you fly on closed pit servers or off-line closed pit, it is well worth the money. I have had a 3pro for a long time now and with the additional 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) added with the mods, it feels weird not to fly with it.

HAT switches are OK. But nothing competes with the immersion factor and situational awareness that Track IR gives you. Nothing!

It is more intuitive than a HAT or a mouse. It keeps your hands free to do other things (manipulate other controls, pick your nose, grab a beer, etc.) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And it is simply the single best item I have ever purchased for gaming.

Those who have it know what I mean. Those who are going to get it will find out what I mean. Those that have no plans of possessing it will never understand the true nirvana of using this device.

(Can you tell I think my TIR is pretty cool?) LOL!

DROBNJAK1960
10-23-2009, 03:21 AM
you can not really fly any sim properly without IR Tracker.

With Tracker you see the world around the plane as pilot would see it. Padlock View is not good enough.

Feathered_IV
10-23-2009, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by fabianfred:

I have tried F******k and its better than nothing

That Sir, is a fantastic advertising slogan right there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

BillSwagger
10-23-2009, 04:17 AM
Originally posted by Fehler:
Simply put...

Track IR is worth more than you pay for it.

If you fly on closed pit servers or off-line closed pit, it is well worth the money. I have had a 3pro for a long time now and with the additional 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) added with the mods, it feels weird not to fly with it.

HAT switches are OK. But nothing competes with the immersion factor and situational awareness that Track IR gives you. Nothing!

It is more intuitive than a HAT or a mouse. It keeps your hands free to do other things (manipulate other controls, pick your nose, grab a beer, etc.) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And it is simply the single best item I have ever purchased for gaming.

Those who have it know what I mean. Those who are going to get it will find out what I mean. Those that have no plans of possessing it will never understand the true nirvana of using this device.

(Can you tell I think my TIR is pretty cool?) LOL!


i'm really considering this product but what i;d like to see is it in action.
I've only seen what appears to be some moderate pans, and the 6dof is quite impressive.
I have that capability with the mouse, i just wanted to see how responsive the pans are. Can you move your head as fast and accurately as a mouse?
It seems with practice you probably could but then panning with a mouse also took some getting use to.

I guess i could buy one and return it if i'm not impressed but i thought with all this talk someone could post a video or some ntrks of some tight action sequences.

Bill

Fehler
10-23-2009, 04:59 AM
Gimme a day and I will set up a dogfight in the QMB and make a track for you, or heck, I can record a quick fight with fraps or something. (I just got homw from work and it's 6:00 AM! So I got to get some sleep first)

If you have doubts, those should be relieved once you see this thing in action!

TIR FTW!!!

DD_crash
10-23-2009, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by BillSwagger:
I have that capability with the mouse, i just wanted to see how responsive the pans are. Can you move your head as fast and accurately as a mouse?
Bill
You can adjust the speed of the response and the amount it moves to suit what ever you need. Another vote for TrackIR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Stiletto-
10-23-2009, 04:50 PM
Bill, it is adjustable as crash said, but if you are asking about responsiveness and if there is any lag... There isnt, you whip your head and it pretty much does exactly the same thing on the screen at the exact same time, and the resolution is high enough where you can make slight movements and the screen will move a few pixels which ever way you really did, much more accurate and smoother than a mouse.

jensenpark
10-23-2009, 08:10 PM
I flew for years with using the hat for looking around.

finally moved up to TrackIR and had, like probably everyone else, a "what the hell took me so long to switch?" moment.

There is absolutely nothing to say except it is worth every freakin' penny.

FishCookie
10-24-2009, 05:02 AM
I've got track ir 3 at the mo and its great. Takes a week to get used to but it's really really immersive.
It'll last you as long as you want to use it so it could have a ten year lifespan so the price isn't that expensive. And more and more games are Track Ir enabled so it's for more than just flight sims.
I'll upgrade my version three to six when it come's out as it will have 6DoF which my one doesn't.

Frankthetank36
10-24-2009, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by doraemil:
if track IR is as smooth as the mouse . . . and keeps my left hand free for throttle . ..

it'd be worth it for me, and since my friend has one and it works wonders in FPS . . .

its seems nearly everyone is united on how good it is.

will check it out

I can see how this would work wonders for flight sims, but how exactly is it good for FPS? Nothing easier than pointing and clicking on someone to take them out, assuming you see them before they see you.

horseback
10-24-2009, 11:19 AM
I've been flying this sim for over seven years now, the last four with TrackIR3/4, and it is absolutely indispensible--easily the most important controller/peripheral I have.

It makes flying Full Switch vastly more practical, and adds a great deal to the immersive experience; it took me all of a couple of weekend afternoons to get used to it and set up my profile juuuust so. I found it more intuitive and easier to switch to than pedals, and pedals are easy.

When you consider how much you fly this and possibly other (lesser) sims, and how useful this tool is for simulations like this and others, the cost per hour of use/enjoyment will drop to pennies in a month or so.

cheers

horseback

Nooble_savage
10-24-2009, 03:26 PM
If my TIR broke down, I'd call in sick for the next scheduled online missions until I had it replaced.

For me TIR has merged with the IL-2 experience completely. It took a week or two for it to happen back when I bought it. Today I wouldn't touch the game without it. It would be like replacing a joystick with a mouse. You can, but why even bother? I could think of more fun pastimes.

And while I have yet to try, I wouldn't underestimate its importance in other types of games either, like driving sims and FPS-style games like ArmA2 or similar. It's all about enhancing virtual reality. You don't win the crowd by creating cool explosions, you win them by letting them 'be there'.

BaronUnderpants
10-24-2009, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
I think Roybaty is correct about the scuttlebutt - and that's why Ubisoft won't condone it. This is not a "corporate censorship" conspiracy, it's just a policy on software piracy and hardly surprising considering how Ubisoft make their living.

B


That makes no sence what so ever considering u know what.

Hint: IL2 M..s


Not saying u dont make sence, mean the editing makes no sence.



As for Track IR, dont know if its worth the money (for me). Tried another program and just couldnt get my head arround it, my views where all over the place, same with rudder pedals infact, cant get use to either. Im just TO set in my ways with hat swich and twist stick.

Guess an old dog just cant learn new tricks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Will however proppably give it another go when SoW gets here.

julian265
10-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Regarding the scuttlebutt, just for those who don't know, ***** uses NP's method of COMMUNICATING head position to games. There is a good reason behind this:

The problem is that unlike for joysticks and the like, games often don't have generic axis inputs for the 6 degrees of head freedom, when they bloody well should. NP has made their own tracker-game interface (which is now encrypted), which on it's own is OK. However NP seems to exert influence on game designers, to prevent them from allowing generic axes inputs. This was the case with DCS:BS (at least the western version).

From reading forums, I get the impression that because game developers want to support TIR, they need NP's permission, which means that NP has some bargaining power, thus holding back progress, IMO.

The simple fact is that games should treat head position and angle just like joystick angle - and give them generic input axes, that any head tracker manufacturer or programmer can use.

**** already allows this (and has their own API), but most games don't.

Sturmtrooper
10-25-2009, 11:07 AM
I bought my TIR 2 a long time ago. I think it was about $150 dollars (U.S.).

Was it worth the money? Absolutely!

I wouldn't spend too much on it, though. Maybe try to find a used one?

Everyone that says that once you own one you will never go back to flying without it, is right.

It really is that good.