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Kerosine18
04-03-2006, 02:37 AM
Hey ppl..It's been a long time since I last posted something over here..

I wanted to share with you some pics I took at the Malta Aviation Museum's Open Weekend. Got to climb into a spitfire and have a look at the controls and get a "feel" of the cockpit...it was an amazing couple of minutes hehehe!!

There was also a Hurricane and a (wingless) Tiger Moth on display, as well as a DC3..not much to see but the Hurri and the Spit opportunity were enough to make my day! Hope you like the pics..if you'd want more PM me and I send over email or something.

Here you go:
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam1.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam2.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam3.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam4.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam5.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam6.jpg


Alistair http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WTE_Ibis
04-03-2006, 03:50 AM
Nice pics, tell me what could you see past the hood ornament?
Or in Aussie "over the bonnet"
Cheers m8.
ibis.

Feathered_IV
04-03-2006, 04:28 AM
And what was the view like out the back?

Great pics m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
04-03-2006, 08:03 AM
Looks beatiful m8, I presume its a Spitfire Vc?

altstiff
04-03-2006, 09:22 AM
Awesome pics. A friend of mine was there a few weeks back on holiday and said the hurri is flyable but needs to be taken apart and x-ray to get certified airworthy.

On a related note. I'm actually going to visit with Mr Bob Middlemiss on April 15th. He flew in Malta (1942) as a wingman to canada's top ace George Beurling.

Anything anyone here wants me to ask him?

NekoReaperman
04-03-2006, 09:47 AM
ohhh i think i would give one of my testes to fly that hurricane....


I wonder what you have to do to fly those things at air shows and such, i suppose be friends with the owner and have mucho hours....

Divine-Wind
04-03-2006, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Looks beatiful m8, I presume its a Spitfire Vc?
Looks more like a MkIX, it looks like it has four prop blades, whereas I think the V only had three.

Monty_Thrud
04-03-2006, 10:04 AM
Beautiful Hurricane and Spitfire...i'd love to have a chance to sit in one

I have a friend who used to have his own heavy goods wagon, sold it to get his pilots license and a Helicopter for those fun rides at shows and fairs...he did that for a few years and got bored...last i heard he was flying in the BoBMF, in the Hurricane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif...so he says...what do you get for murder nowadays.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

horseback
04-03-2006, 10:57 AM
Interesting pictures, but you appear to be sitting on the cockpit floor. I just know that someone is going to seize on them to argue that the FOV from the Spitfire's cockpit is too good, missing the fact that the seat in the picture was fully lowered for ease of ingress/egress for the crowd of visiters.

No doubt you were firmly reminded not to touch anything...

cheers

horseback

Xiolablu3
04-03-2006, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Looks beatiful m8, I presume its a Spitfire Vc?
Looks more like a MkIX, it looks like it has four prop blades, whereas I think the V only had three. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well spotted mate!

Actually, Of course even if it was a Mk5, it would probably have been upgraded to a Mk9 before the end of the war anyway, I never thought of this.

LilHorse
04-03-2006, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
Interesting pictures, but you appear to be sitting on the cockpit floor. I just know that someone is going to seize on them to argue that the FOV from the Spitfire's cockpit is too good, missing the fact that the seat in the picture was fully lowered for ease of ingress/egress for the crowd of visiters.


Or if it's an original seat it's likely it was made to have the chute on the seat and you sat on that. It'd raise you up quite a bit, maybe another eight inches or so.

Petey78
04-03-2006, 11:14 AM
I got the chance to sit inside a late mark Griffon Spit at Duxford a couple of years back. I dunno about you but it made me feel quite small, the prop looked about twenty yards away! I'm not short but I really think that the parachute did boost you up a bit! The same was true of the bucket seats in the Tiger Moth, I flew in one as a child, too small to get a parachute on and all the cushions in the flying club to get the straps tight, thanks for posting the pics, it's a rare chance to sit in a Spit, let alone fly one, I think I've already been as close as I'll ever get to flying one!

BfHeFwMe
04-03-2006, 07:39 PM
Wow, was that the King in the cockpit? The man himself, very rare to catch Elvis on film. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Elvis is sitting so low because the Parachute/raft is missing, it doubled as the seat. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WOLFMondo
04-04-2006, 01:12 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Looks beatiful m8, I presume its a Spitfire Vc?
Looks more like a MkIX, it looks like it has four prop blades, whereas I think the V only had three. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well spotted mate!

Actually, Of course even if it was a Mk5, it would probably have been upgraded to a Mk9 before the end of the war anyway, I never thought of this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has the nose tank armour of the IX. Did V's get a conversion to IX at all?

WOLFMondo
04-04-2006, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
Interesting pictures, but you appear to be sitting on the cockpit floor. I just know that someone is going to seize on them to argue that the FOV from the Spitfire's cockpit is too good, missing the fact that the seat in the picture was fully lowered for ease of ingress/egress for the crowd of visiters.



No chute to sit on either.

Xiolablu3
04-04-2006, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Looks beatiful m8, I presume its a Spitfire Vc?
Looks more like a MkIX, it looks like it has four prop blades, whereas I think the V only had three. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well spotted mate!

Actually, Of course even if it was a Mk5, it would probably have been upgraded to a Mk9 before the end of the war anyway, I never thought of this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has the nose tank armour of the IX. Did V's get a conversion to IX at all? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know actually mate, interesting question. I assumed they would have because the Mk9 originally used the Mk5 airframe for a stopgap, until the later Mk9's with the pointed tail like the Mk8.

Maybe someone else can tell us? Was there such a thing as a Mk5 to Mk9 conversion?

Monty_Thrud
04-04-2006, 12:17 PM
Did V's get a conversion to IX at all?


Yes...or atleast it says that in Spitfire The History...i'm not sure how many were converted, damaged Mk V's definately did

Monty_Thrud
04-04-2006, 12:28 PM
Oh and while i'm here...teh FOV is p0rk3d in teh Spitf3u3r...073g denys us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Kerosine18
04-05-2006, 01:48 AM
So in reply to the many comments my pics received...

The view wasn't much but of course I was sitting very low as the pilot definitely had the chute underneath him so I can't really say much..so sorry FOV-complaining-ppl..can't help your case :P

didnt check about view at the back, as canopy was not closed to allow me to get the real feel of looking around, and once again, the lack of parachute under me would affect that view.

The Spit is a Mark IX, check the link: http://www.maltaaviationmuseum.com/spitfire.asp

Also, altstiff, when do you intend coming over with Mr.Middlemiss...I'd love to talk to someone who actually knew Beurling..I'm fascinated with Screwball and the experience would be amazing.

horseback, i got to meddle around with the stick and noticed ailerons weren't working, but rudder and elevators are in working condition. I could have touched around, except the canopy as its made in perspex and easily breaks hehehe!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

oh and finally, BfHeFwMe...good comment about Elvis lol...made me laugh hehe http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

More pics? Yes..here you go:
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam7.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam8.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam9.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam10.jpg
http://dosanddonts.anthonyfcamilleri.net/mam2006/mam11.jpg

Enjoy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Alistair

Taylortony
04-05-2006, 04:47 PM
Glad you enjoyed the experience Kerosine18, I often get to sit in them, various marks and types, but these days it's just tends to be another plane.......... suppose it's because it is my job, It gets to be like cars... bet you very rarely notice them driving down the street, well I have the same with planes. but I thought I would add to the experiences and give you some views from a different version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thought you might like to see inside a live Griffon powered Mk19 as you can see it's not as clean lol but it has never had a full rebuild and is still flying today. btw a lot of the staining you see isn't the result of the pilot being caught short after a curry on the town, but is due to the original sealant used ( pressurised cockpit, no woosie side door http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) along with a smattering of oil and exhaust http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Fwd.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Left_side.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Right_Side.jpg



have loads more all over it etc http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif heck I even have a 19mb film of scanning around the cockpit amongst others, but had to stand on the seat in one of them so you don't get me in it hehehehe

Enjoy

Oh and the FOV is about spot on IMHO.

Taylortony
04-06-2006, 08:36 PM
If there are any modellers after info on the 19 PM me and i will sort some out for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
04-07-2006, 12:53 AM
Is that the Rolls Royce MK19?

Taylortony
04-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Yup

LilHorse
04-07-2006, 01:42 PM
Jeez, Taylortony. It looks like they nailed a 2X4 to the stick! It's hard enough to see the compass where it is with the older stick. How hard is it to see with that "plank" in the way?

Treetop64
04-07-2006, 05:28 PM
That Spit cockpit looks absolutely frightening! It looks like a haunted house in there!

Interesting name on the Spit "Mary Rose". Can anyone guess what else of British design, and of major military significance, that shares the same name?

You fans of naval history should know this one pretty easily...

Taylortony
04-07-2006, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by LilHorse:
Jeez, Taylortony. It looks like they nailed a 2X4 to the stick! It's hard enough to see the compass where it is with the older stick. How hard is it to see with that "plank" in the way?


It is fine, infact all spits are built that way...


That Spit cockpit looks absolutely frightening! It looks like a haunted house in there!

This is a working aircraft and as such is right..it smells right, looks right and feels right when you are sitting in her, she has never had a rebuild in her near 60 years of life .......... It is not one of these namby pamby American rebuilt polished to death mirror finish and totally unrepresentitive of the type in real life, Sorry they make my skin cringe to see the latest Mustang... P40 or whatever that are polished to a mirror finish... WHY? if you wanted Mustang like that buy a chrome plated model... (but as said by some owners "if you want a genuine looking one, buy your own, I like mine like this", personal opinion but cringe again) even the original one posted on here is a museum article, it is rebuilt to new standards and as such is just a glorified model as it is static.......... all be it it has history.................well maybe a data plate lol

EPP_Gibbs
04-07-2006, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
If there are any modellers after info on the 19 PM me and i will sort some out for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Taylortony, what's the serial No. of the Spit XIX? I ask because I went to school with a chap whos grandad flew a Mk.XIX recce Spit during the war. He had some photos of his grandad and his 'office'. A few years ago, with some shock, he saw a picture of the same plane flying with the BBMF, serial PS915. He contacted them and was invited to the base and spent the day with his grandad's old plane. It was odd to see photos of the grandad and the grandson in the same plane, though not at the same time!

Taylortony
04-07-2006, 06:10 PM
This one is PS853............ PS915 is still with the BBMF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


see

http://www.militaryairshows.co.uk/spitaw.htm

96th_Nightshifter
04-08-2006, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Taylortony:
heck I even have a 19mb film of scanning around the cockpit amongst others, but had to stand on the seat in one of them so you don't get me in it hehehehe


Would you be willing to share the film mate?

96th_Nightshifter
04-09-2006, 03:51 AM
*Bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Taylortony
04-09-2006, 12:40 PM
have upload the cockpit scan.. see below 96th_Nightshifter there is a couple, can send you a 42 meg one of the engine running uncowled too but you will need to pm me an email addy to upload it for you.

remember these are taken with a still camera using hangar lighting, so suffer a little in the quality dept as a result.

Viper reloaded the cockpit shots for you, took them down to allow film to be uploaded but put them back

film at (17mb)

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Cockpit_Film.zip

96th_Nightshifter
04-09-2006, 12:41 PM
Good man - Cheers

WOLFMondo
04-09-2006, 01:51 PM
I'm surprised the RR Spit hasn't had a full rebuilt at all. It looks like it just left the factory from the outside.

WOLFMondo
04-09-2006, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
That Spit cockpit looks absolutely frightening! It looks like a haunted house in there!

Interesting name on the Spit "Mary Rose". Can anyone guess what else of British design, and of major military significance, that shares the same name?

You fans of naval history should know this one pretty easily...

Find me a Brit who doesn't know where the name comes from. The Mary Rose is about as famous as the Spitfire.

Viper2005_
04-09-2006, 02:08 PM
I'd love to get my hands on an aeroplane like that Spitfire XIX... Unfortunately I can't see the pictures http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BTW, how can a Spitfire ever be "just another aeroplane"? I mean, I see cars everyday, but when I see an E-Type, or a DB.5 I take notice...

Taylortony
04-09-2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I'm surprised the RR Spit hasn't had a full rebuilt at all. It looks like it just left the factory from the outside.


Think it will be in a few years........... ok uploaded a film .

have upload the cockpit scan.. see below 96th_Nightshifter there is a couple, can send you a 42 meg one of the engine running uncowled too but you will need to pm me an email addy to upload it for you.

remember these are taken with a still camera using hangar lighting, so suffer a little in the quality dept as a result.

Viper reloaded the cockpit shots for you, took them down to allow film to be uploaded but put them back

film at (17mb)

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/il2skins/Cockpit_Film.zip

Xiolablu3
04-11-2006, 07:33 AM
I found out that Spitfire V's were indeed converted to Mk9's

From a report on Spitfire Performance.com :-

'Note: JL.165 was manufactured at Castle Bromwich as a Spitfire V (Merlin 45)
and delivered on March 27, 1943. It was subsequently converted to a LFIX
(Merlin 66) at Rolls Royce, Hucknall. Performance trials at Rolls Royce,
Hucknall using +25 lbs. boost in October 1943, AAEE for trials 11-11-43,
Transfered to Air Service Training 3-6-44, 6 Maintenance Unit 26-10-44, 82
Maintenace Unit 10-11-44, Casablanca 15-1-45, Struck off charge 28-8-47.'

THanks for the pics and movie!