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Targ
05-01-2006, 07:36 PM
http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=144&t=004689

Now go by a copy.

edgflyer
05-01-2006, 07:47 PM
Wish I had thought of doing this. I just thought common sense would have taken over. I am glad somebody did this. At the least it gives someone the idea on how to check it.

Feathered_IV
05-01-2006, 08:26 PM
Thank God that now the first 48 hours of panic are behind us a few intelligent examinations of BB are taking place. Its supposed ninja-like abilites are the PC equivalent of the Zero myth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Stackhouse25th
05-01-2006, 08:31 PM
ahh man, paranoia was fun while it lasted. Sigh.

gprr
05-01-2006, 11:58 PM
Hi all

Somthing is wrong with the "boonty box investigation" because when it ran on my pc it showed much more programs including solitaire.
This BB thingy is not somtihng we wanted to buy or agreed to buy before we paid for the PE-2.
It looks like UBI guyz went for a lot of trouble
to make it diply embeded in our PC's:
-Back ground servis running
-Many registry entries
-Blown up exes that even created game errors.

It came to my mind that the work and time invested by UBI to incorporate BB is the cause for the release delay of the addon and the UBI silence all that time.

I love to be a member of the IL-2 community.

RedDeth
05-02-2006, 12:15 AM
TARG is a moderator here.

he has only one agenda on multiple forums which is to get everyone to buy this product. which helps online gameplay with more people flying it.

sorry targ but you have a biased opinion.

even if your desires are in the right place motives alter truth as always...

boonty box has major problems with downloads and changing coding to make game unplayable.

which requires some good amount of computer knowledge.

this release needs a CD hard copy. that can be purchased online.

remember...just because a mod says it doesnt make it true or correct. mods are just online gamers with WAY more time on their hands than most of us have.

no offense but thats just the truth

gprr
05-02-2006, 12:23 AM
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TARG is a moderator here.

he has only one agenda on multiple forums which is to get everyone to buy this product. which helps online gameplay with more people flying it.

sorry targ but you have a biased opinion.

even if your desires are in the right place motives alter truth as always...

boonty box has major problems with downloads and changing coding to make game unplayable.

which requires some good amount of computer knowledge.

this release needs a CD hard copy. that can be purchased online.

remember...just because a mod says it doesnt make it true or correct. mods are just online gamers with WAY more time on their hands than most of us have.

no offense but thats just the truth
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mazexx
05-02-2006, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by gprr:
Hi all

Somthing is wrong with the "boonty box investigation" because when it ran on my pc it showed much more programs including solitaire.


Hi!

I did the investigation and I may have been a bit unclear about the small "windows default" games that are also present (like Solitaire), in the same way as Gamespy etc have them too. I do mention them in the text however but it may be a bit confusing?:


Post at SimHQ by mazexx:
It looks like it uses the easy to read xml-files BoontyGames.xml and OtherGames.xml in <sysdrive>:\Program Files\Boonty\BoontyBox\Data to identify games that they distribute while scanning and none of my other games are there (accept the "default" windows "games").


Look in OtherGames.xml and you will find the small default windows games you mention.

Regards /Mazex

Targ
05-02-2006, 12:40 AM
Whats that Rayban?
The truth?
Lol, whatever.
So how many hours will I work Tuesday Mr. truth detector?
How much free time am I gonna have Saturday as I dont even know that, You do it seems.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You people can believe whatever you want no matter how crazy it is.
My agenda is to try my best to hope that the sales of these add ons will keep Maddox games cranking out great flight sims, what a crime. I get nothing out of this but a headache and hassles from people.

Whats your agenda?

crazyivan1970
05-02-2006, 12:42 AM
RD, no need for publicity stunts.

RedDeth
05-02-2006, 12:59 AM
there is absolutely NO proof that i am RayBanJockey

other than were both devastatingly handsome and both STILL use trim on a slider because it REALLY still does work

p.s. do not imagine me in red sweats... thats SO eighties !!!

Odranoel1
05-02-2006, 02:03 AM
I have purchased this add-on and installed it with just a few problems.

My post is to say loud and clear that I positively HATED the way Ubi wrapped Maddox's software in garbage for a questionnable benefit to Ubi only.

I have not yet eradicated BoontyBox from my PC because I suspect that the upcoming add-ons might look for it and fail to install if missing... BB is only deactivated for now.

I am an angry customer. UBI: STOP MESSING WITH MY PC! Give me what I pay for, no more no less!

I do not want your BoontyBox just as I do not need anyone's help in telling me what games are running on my PC (!!!) and what patches are available/needed (!!!)

I am more than happy to pay for the software, provide proof of purchase etc... but for heaven's sake stop mistreating honest people in a pathetic attempt to deter software thieves.
This patch is not better protected than any of the previous game updates, just much more problem-prone.

The facts: look at how the on-line community is split between 404 and 405. First time this happens.

Bravo UBISOFT.

-S- Odranoel1

ViFF101
05-02-2006, 02:06 AM
Hi Targ et all moderators,

In a different thread you told us to write our concerns about boontybox to UBI.

The Israeli community has unanimously come to a decision concerning the version 4.05m patch and its distribution method. We would like to send this to UBI. Please give me the email of the proper entity at UBI I should send this email to.

Thank you,

ViFF

JG52Uther
05-02-2006, 02:19 AM
I never bought into the 'stealing info to sell' stuff myself.My issue with boontybox is that ,for me,and several others,it did not do its job,of allowing me to install the add on with a few simple mouse clicks,as I have been able to do with every other game,and patch that Oleg has put out.Did UBI just assume that everyone has il2 installed in the default location? It took me 2 hours to install the add on,which is just ridiculous,and I know more about how to get round copy protection now than I did last week.The whole thing has been a fiasco,and in my opinion has done more to harm this game than anything that has come before.You can tell there is a quite serious problem here just by looking in hyperlobby.Most servers are still at 404.When an update comes out for this game,people are usually screaming for it,and the servers change over to the newest version asap.With another add on supposedly coming out in a few weeks,it does not bode well for the future unless some serious PR work is done by UBI.Actually,has anyone heard from UBI about this mess?They seem a bit quiet!

AWL_Spinner
05-02-2006, 02:35 AM
Again, it's not just about the security aspect. I was never unduly troubled by this as I've enough system security to nail that sort of stuff dead.

What I, and many others, are irritated by (apart from the memory errors, etc.) is the unannounced intrusion of background system processes unrelated to the Maddox product into the sanctity of people's systems. Especially one that reloads itself every time you play the game when you think you've uninstalled it(!). Hell, even after you uninstall BB and restart it's still visible under msconfig and you have to manually remove it from the registry.

Admittedly, flight simmers tend to be technical enough to do this sort of stuff without too much difficulty (once the early-adopters have figured it all out - thanks guys) but that's simply not the point. The intention was there.

However, I'm going to shut up about this now: as has been mentioned on other threads, BB is easy to clean from your computer - if they decide that the community's rapid dismissal of this product is undesirable and introduce something nastier next time around we're all in trouble (as are their sales).

Everyone wavering on this purchase - <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">PLEASE BUY IT</span> and follow the instructions on Boonty removal found in Luthier's thread. There's really <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">nothing to worry about from Boonty</span> as it's <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">easily removed</span>.

Make the most of this situation while it lasts!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Monson74
05-02-2006, 03:05 AM
Please give me something in replace to be afraid of - you can't just counterprove my religion just like that - I need an enemy to constitute my personal identity - fear makes me feel alive & I'm feeling slightly depressed now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Fox_3
05-02-2006, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by RedDeth:
TARG is a moderator here.

he has only one agenda on multiple forums which is to get everyone to buy this product. which helps online gameplay with more people flying it.

sorry targ but you have a biased opinion.

even if your desires are in the right place motives alter truth as always...

boonty box has major problems with downloads and changing coding to make game unplayable.

which requires some good amount of computer knowledge.

this release needs a CD hard copy. that can be purchased online.

remember...just because a mod says it doesnt make it true or correct. mods are just online gamers with WAY more time on their hands than most of us have.

no offense but thats just the truth

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Except the last two paragraphs.

JG52Uther
05-02-2006, 07:04 AM
LOL monkeyhat was just here,but by the time I had posted a reply he had gone http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Stigler_9_JG52
05-02-2006, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by RedDeth:
TARG is a moderator here.

he has only one agenda on multiple forums which is to get everyone to buy this product. which helps online gameplay with more people flying it.

sorry targ but you have a biased opinion.

even if your desires are in the right place motives alter truth as always...

boonty box has major problems with downloads and changing coding to make game unplayable.

which requires some good amount of computer knowledge.

this release needs a CD hard copy. that can be purchased online.

remember...just because a mod says it doesnt make it true or correct. mods are just online gamers with WAY more time on their hands than most of us have.

no offense but thats just the truth

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Not only that, he thinks nothing of abusing his moderator priveleges for something as friviolous as altering the avatar signatures of forum members (something we cannot go in and edit or change, if he decides to misrepresent us with his "funny little blurbs"). He freely admits this, as does at least one other moderator, and won't rule out doing it again in the future.

And we're supposed to trust anything he says and does?

crazyivan1970
05-02-2006, 10:11 AM
Oh i see, now all this turned into Targ bashing thread. Please back off, because neither of you know what you talking about

BueJack
05-02-2006, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Oh i see, now all this turned into Targ bashing thread. Please back off, because neither of you know what you talking about

Well, he has 'asked for it'. He does seem to have an attitude, unbecoming of a moderator. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Xiolablu3
05-02-2006, 11:21 AM
Its just a fekking online delivery system for gods sake. There are so few of these types of addons sold that Oleg had to find a cost effective way to get the game to those who were requesting it. Online delivery is perhaps the ONLY way we will get this game. (sad for me as I have no Credit Card).


Is it just me or does EVERY post I see from Stigler whine about something?

Was looking through targetware forums the other day, this had me lmao. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://www.targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=P...9757&highlight=point (http://www.targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=9757&highlight=point)


'but what I don`t appretiate is watching 11 people trying to enjoy themselves flying online - while you buzz around spamming the buffer, pissing and moaning like an old woman with something lodged up her.' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Come on Stiggles old duck, grab your girl, shag her brains out and chill out. If something is not making you happy, get out of dodge. Why stick around when something obviously makes you this unhappy?

Platypus_1.JaVA
05-02-2006, 12:37 PM
Ow, can we please get along? I've seen Tarq and crazyIvan on the Il-2 forums before they became moderators. Give them a break/brake. (srry, no native english speaker)

DuxCorvan
05-02-2006, 01:12 PM
Yes, yes, give them a brake!

Let someone stop them! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

http://www.ecrannoir.fr/stars/us/carrey/images/themask.jpg

Now seriously, what I like less about the Booty-Pox thingie is that:

1) They didn't tell me in the purchase or dl operation that it had to be installed... ANYWHERE. Just paid, clicked the download link and... SURPRISE, GOTCHA!

2) It works like cr*p. Slow download, automated blurry-hurry blotchy actions, no Win98 support...

3) It has tentacles everywhere. In service.msc, in registry, in several paths, even in the executables -virus-like- with blotchy results. And no, not everything is easy to clean.

T_O_A_D
05-02-2006, 01:45 PM
If you mean me, well then your wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I have never touched yours. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Mostly because you have no sence of humor.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

And anyone that I have messed with, that bothered to send me a PM afterwards, had it removed or changed.

Now I guess, I'll go read the link, Targ posted. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif


Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Not only that, he thinks nothing of abusing his moderator priveleges for something as friviolous as altering the avatar signatures of forum members (something we cannot go in and edit or change, if he decides to misrepresent us with his "funny little blurbs"). He freely admits this, as does at least one other moderator, and won't rule out doing it again in the future.

And we're supposed to trust anything he says and does?

RED_BEAR8
05-02-2006, 03:07 PM
Well nany way i uninstalled BB and the game is runnig fine. I think the histeria is coming to a end. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif well i hope hehehe http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Blottogg
05-02-2006, 05:01 PM
Thanks for posting this Targ. I'll admit I was cringing after seeing what BB was doing in the registry, and with some of its software imbedded in the new il2fb.exe. This was the kind of investigation I knew someone in the community more knowledgeable than me (and there are so many) would do.

Thanks also go to Mazex for taking the time to sniff this one out. What looked at first to be fishy (.exe that keeps running after quitting the game, installation software in the game .exe...) is at worst programming for the utility to check for updates that perhaps wasn't thought through sufficiently in light of SF and Sony BMI. I'm quite satisfied with this explaination, and glad to see my unease was wrong.

The next question is going to be how difficult installing 4.06m will be for those of us who've unintalled BB. I suspect that worst case, we'll have to reinstall BB (and perhaps 4.05m) to get the registry reading right. From the other posts concerning BB, it seems to have been used for on-line distro by Ubi for about six months, but this is the first time it's been used for an update to an already installed game. Given how long FB/AEP/PF has been out, and how much time that's given us to mess with it, I guess most of these problems are to be expected. I didn't even know PF would run without any registry entries, I've always reinstalled with the discs. The clean registry was apparently causing most of the "you must have a full version of the game installed first" errors. And many of us have moved the game from its default directory, giving BB new problems (if BB is used for new game installs, it wouldn't be confused as to the game file's location because it was the one placing it on the hard drive in the first place.)

I'm glad to see I can put my tin hat away (for the time being... they're still out to get me you know...) Thanks again, Targ and Mazex. To those sitting on the fence: buy the add-on, support Maddox Games, look forward to two more add-ons, and get on with life, 'cause it's very short. BB isn't a very polished application, but it's not evil.

Tater-SW-
05-03-2006, 07:59 AM
Yeah, I could buy, and install this, and then I could completely erase it. That is more work than I should have to do. The point of a "downloader/installer" should be to simplfy my life, not complicate it. I'd go through a little more trouble on a free patch to save them labor, but if I pay I actually expect a better, not a worse patching experience.

Regardless of any other issues, they did not intend for it to be easily removable, they embedded it in the main exe files. If they had wanted that, they'd have supplied a boonty uninstaller that would have actually removed it, completely, from my PC.

BTW, I'd also add that they should have expected this kind of response and explained boonty, and exactly what it does and what data they get from it---in writing, ahead of time. Instead they hid it, and what a surprise, look at what they get.

tater

Shrike_UK
05-05-2006, 03:33 PM
why bash Targ, hes just doing his job, and doing it well as im sure some have plucked up the courage to tackle boonty on his enthusiasm.

our target for tonight is the boonty production facility. it must be destroyed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif


@Tater, Right on!

Stigler_9_JG52
05-05-2006, 05:28 PM
Blottog wrote:

The next question is going to be how difficult installing 4.06m will be for those of us who've unintalled BB. I suspect that worst case, we'll have to reinstall BB (and perhaps 4.05m) to get the registry reading right.

This is a big question. What if the lack of a running BB .exe makes the future upgrade software think you've pirated it? If I had downloaded this, I'd sure as heck keep an electronic and paper receipt.

A.K.Davis
05-05-2006, 07:47 PM
Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
Blottog wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The next question is going to be how difficult installing 4.06m will be for those of us who've unintalled BB. I suspect that worst case, we'll have to reinstall BB (and perhaps 4.05m) to get the registry reading right.

This is a big question. What if the lack of a running BB .exe makes the future upgrade software think you've pirated it? If I had downloaded this, I'd sure as heck keep an electronic and paper receipt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the 4.06m download uses BB, then obviously we will have to (temporarily) install it. If it does not, then BB is a nonissue. The way BB is setup now, I don't see how it would be checking for pirated previous version. You can install and uninstall BB at will.