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Wild.Bill.Kelso
08-26-2007, 04:51 PM
This is the one ac I miss the most in these games. Will this be a flyable in BoB?

leitmotiv
08-26-2007, 04:56 PM
Hope!

XyZspineZyX
08-26-2007, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Wild.Bill.Kelso:
This is the one ac I miss the most in these games. Will this be a flyable in BoB?

Without a doubt, no

The B-17 did not serve in the battle of Britain. The B-17 will hopefully be in the Storm of War series later on, but do not expect to see a B-17 in the first installment

stansdds
08-26-2007, 05:50 PM
I'm just hoping that SoW will see the light of day. But no, the B-17 was not around for the Battle of Britain, so it won't be in there. Hopefully there will be add-on campaigns and theaters which will feature more aircraft.

Bearcat99
08-26-2007, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wild.Bill.Kelso:
This is the one ac I miss the most in these games. Will this be a flyable in BoB?

Without a doubt, no

The B-17 did not serve in the battle of Britain. The B-17 will hopefully be in the Storm of War series later on, but do not expect to see a B-17 in the first installment </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed....


Originally posted by stansdds:
I'm just hoping that SoW will see the light of day. But no, the B-17 was not around for the Battle of Britain, so it won't be in there. Hopefully there will be add-on campaigns and theaters which will feature more aircraft.

Oh it will see the light of day....... be sure.

VW-IceFire
08-26-2007, 07:02 PM
I think they are seeing that there is an interest for a combined fighter/bomber simulation which is why we've got at least four flyable bombers (He-111, Ju-88, Br.20, and Blenheim IV) out of the box apparently. So here's hoping that later on when they do a scenario that needs a B-17 they will go all out and spend the time necessary to get that plane in the sky for people.

SeaFireLIV
08-26-2007, 07:34 PM
I wouldn`t go holding my breath though...

JG53_Valantine
08-26-2007, 07:43 PM
Im hoping for it but im also not holding my breath.

Id like to see SOW revisit all the places il2 has (except 1946) and also to expand upon the theatre of operations a bit.

On a side note for SOW wish list stuff im hoping that skins will work in a similar fashion and that our community tempalte makers continue their great work!
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VW-IceFire
08-26-2007, 09:05 PM
No I wouldn't hold my breath either...it'll be a couple of years and I can't hold it that long. Maybe a minute http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But in all honesty with the Storm of War series they are starting out from scratch and presumably they have a plan. Oleg seems to have indicated that they have a plan and that the reason they are starting at Battle of Britain is deliberate in that its the first big air battle of World War II that set the tone for all of the others so it was a logical place to be with the first installment.

If they plan to at some point include one or even two heavy bombers to the series they need to have that planned now. With IL-2 it was never practical...the maps were not setup for it...and most of the development had already been completed before they even thought about introducing more Western aircraft past the lend lease.

DKoor
08-26-2007, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I think they are seeing that there is an interest for a combined fighter/bomber simulation which is why we've got at least four flyable bombers (He-111, Ju-88, Br.20, and Blenheim IV) out of the box apparently. So here's hoping that later on when they do a scenario that needs a B-17 they will go all out and spend the time necessary to get that plane in the sky for people. Yeah, true....also I'd luv to see Do-17 eventually too, as that is my fav German bomber.

What we'll get is really more than enough for BoB itself....what will happen later who knows?

Feathered_IV
08-27-2007, 04:21 AM
Not to include them would be a tremendous oversight. As any American schoolboy could tell you, B-17's darkened the skies of England during the Battle of Britain.

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Sergio_101
08-27-2007, 06:18 AM
First B-17 over war time Britian was in early 1941.
First operational sortie was in July 1941.
These aircraft were "Fortress I" or B-17C
in USAAC designation.

While the B-17C was a failure operationally
this was actually expected. The first combat
version of the B-17 was the B-17D, and was
marginally operational, and the B-17E.
The B-17E was the first truly combat worthy mark of the B-17.

On the other hand B-17s were flying long before
Hitler invaded Czechslovakia.

Sergio

Wild.Bill.Kelso
08-27-2007, 08:27 AM
Well, I was just watching the movie 12 O'Clock High yesterday afternoon, and couldn't help wanting to climb into one of those beasts! What a great movie!

Thanks for all of the replies...

claypidgon
08-27-2007, 08:32 AM
You will never see the B17 flyable in il2...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

LEBillfish
08-27-2007, 08:49 AM
Yep, I can see it now, it will be awesome when we fianlly get heavy bombers.....

Lancasters diving from high altitude Stuka-like psy-op sirens screamng as they dive bomb while the B-17's barely clearing treetops race in for their low level strafing runs as naturally the B-24's dogfight for cover being heavily armed like B25's now.......and lest we forget B-29 nuclear Kamikazies taking out everything even their own side "just a cuz I can".

Yep, will be great days.....Naturally the logic of "well I have no escort because I forgot to call for it/strayed from path, went it alone, can't high alt level bomb, multi-gun FTW!, evryone keeps killing me, yet it takes an hour to get to altitude!".....Will all prove out and justify the days of the "Close Air Support Heavy Fighter-Bomber"...CASH-FB...

WOOHOO!....can't wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

jarink
08-27-2007, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yep, I can see it now, it will be awesome when we fianlly get heavy bombers.....

Lancasters diving from high altitude Stuka-like psy-op sirens screamng as they dive bomb while the B-17's barely clearing treetops race in for their low level strafing runs as naturally the B-24's dogfight for cover being heavily armed like B25's now.......and lest we forget B-29 nuclear Kamikazies taking out everything even their own side "just a cuz I can".

Yep, will be great days.....Naturally the logic of "well I have no escort because I forgot to call for it/strayed from path, went it alone, can't high alt level bomb, multi-gun FTW!, evryone keeps killing me, yet it takes an hour to get to altitude!".....Will all prove out and justify the days of the "Close Air Support Heavy Fighter-Bomber"...CASH-FB...

WOOHOO!....can't wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Yea, unlike every fighter currently in the game which are always flown in an historically accurate fashion.
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Swivet
08-27-2007, 01:09 PM
btw is storm of war an addon to BOB?..No not Bob the person either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

PBNA-Boosher
08-27-2007, 01:14 PM
The series title is "Storm of War." The particular game is "Battle of Britain."

Essentially, the product is Storm of War: Battle of Britain. "Storm of War" is like "Star Wars," where "Battle of Britain" is like "A New Hope."

Doolittle81
08-27-2007, 02:30 PM
With SOW:BofB probably being released no earlier the 1Q2008; and the 'almost promised' second theater being "SOW:Mediterranean" unlikely to be released before 4Q2008 at the earliest; and "SOW:Eastern Front" an absolute necessity for Oleg to produce not later than 2Q2009 for his homeland market; then a "SOW:Western Front 1943" with strategic bombing and flyable B17's, B-24s, Lancasters, etc won't be around until early to mid 2010...3 years from now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Sorry.

I hope I am completely wrong.

stansdds
08-28-2007, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by Doolittle81:
With SOW:BofB probably being released no earlier the 1Q2008; and the 'almost promised' second theater being "SOW:Mediterranean" unlikely to be released before 4Q2008 at the earliest; and "SOW:Eastern Front" an absolute necessity for Oleg to produce not later than 2Q2009 for his homeland market; then a "SOW:Western Front 1943" with strategic bombing and flyable B17's, B-24s, Lancasters, etc won't be around until early to mid 2010...3 years from now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Sorry.

I hope I am completely wrong.

And the Pacific theater will be out around... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

JimmyBlonde
08-28-2007, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wild.Bill.Kelso:
This is the one ac I miss the most in these games. Will this be a flyable in BoB?

Without a doubt, no

The B-17 did not serve in the battle of Britain. The B-17 will hopefully be in the Storm of War series later on, but do not expect to see a B-17 in the first installment </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thankyou BBB (<-http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Nor will we have the F-22, F-16, F-15, F-4 Wright Flyer or the Mustang.

This is the Battle of Britain. OK? 1940, July to October 1940 as commonly acknowledged. B-17 entered mainstream service in 1941!

tagTaken2
08-28-2007, 04:23 AM
Hopefully the Su-26 will have historically correct loadouts, and the lack of a B-17 will not be too sorely felt above Dover.

Chivas
08-28-2007, 11:06 AM
It would be awesome to someday have a SOW map that included all of Europe including North Africa and stretched as far as Moscow. I don't know how long before it will be technically possible to have that big a map with all the buildings and objects required.

I want it done right, so don't bother to mention CFS or FSX.

Breeze147
08-28-2007, 11:20 AM
We could have a life sized map of Europe called Europe.

Sergio_101
08-28-2007, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by Wild.Bill.Kelso:
Well, I was just watching the movie 12 O'Clock High yesterday afternoon, and couldn't help wanting to climb into one of those beasts! What a great movie!

Thanks for all of the replies...

My uncle said few used the front hatch to
enter the plane.
Bombadier entered first and the gear was passed
up through the hatch so as to avoid lugging
it through the cramped fuselage.

He flew B-17s and B-24s.

Guys slinging themselves through the front
hatch did it mostly for the cameras.

Yes, some did use the hatch for entry.

I have flown on the Collings foundation B-17G "909"
several times, and their B-24 also their B-25.
It's not what you would call a plesant ride
but it was worth every penney of the $400 US.
It's now $425 for half an hour.

The last time I flew in "909" it was very rough.
I scored a few lumps in the heavy turbulence.
I can only imagine how it was in heavy flack!

By the way, we got stuck in the holding pattern
at Manchester NH for about an hour trying to land (last time i went up).
They lost money on that trip ;-)

Sergio

Doolittle81
08-28-2007, 10:26 PM
Admittedly, I am by nature claustrophobic........nevertheless, if you are larger than 5'10" and 160 lbs, it's very cramped inside a B17, such as maneuvering between that front hatch and the cockpit and/or nose/nav/Bombardier positions....and to/from other parts of the aircraft.....

.....Just looking into the ball turret made me feel nauseous!

f.ip2
08-28-2007, 10:44 PM
what is so crazy new about SOW:BofB.

i tried to google it but did not find a lot of information besides just some screenshots of props.

i am just curious where the improvement to IL 2 will be.

K_Freddie
08-29-2007, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
.. As any American schoolboy could tell you, B-17's darkened the skies of England during the Battle of Britain.
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Did America lay claim to the UK even as early as WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

zecek51
08-29-2007, 03:11 AM
the b17 would be a great flyable add on but pales by comparison to the lancaster!

stansdds
08-29-2007, 04:19 AM
The Lancaster would probably present far less of a copyright issue than the B-17, so I'd expect to see the Lanc long before the B-17. After the Pacific Fighters fiasco, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see SoW focus on theaters that saw little or no use of U.S. built aircraft.

JimmyBlonde
08-29-2007, 04:32 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
We could have a life sized map of Europe called Europe.


You are the man man.

Wild.Bill.Kelso
08-29-2007, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by f.ip2:
what is so crazy new about SOW:BofB.

i tried to google it but did not find a lot of information besides just some screenshots of props.

i am just curious where the improvement to IL 2 will be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9OWQ55n8ig

And look at the Related Videos on the right.

SeaFireLIV
08-29-2007, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by stansdds:
The Lancaster would probably present far less of a copyright issue than the B-17, so I'd expect to see the Lanc long before the B-17. After the Pacific Fighters fiasco, it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see SoW focus on theaters that saw little or no use of U.S. built aircraft.

This is, unfortunately, a fair point.

The modern American military released AA FREE knowing that the advertisement of that game would do more for America free than charged for to play.

Now why can`t the powers that be allow WWII sims to represent authentic American equipment without hamstringing the devs, who aren`t rich by any means?

Ratsack
08-29-2007, 08:23 AM
My main hope regarding all the bombers in SoW is that the AI gunners will be better modeled than they are in IL-2. The constant AI sniping, from twisting evading bombers is just not funny.

If this can't be sorted out for SoW, then Battle of Britain is going to be about as much fun as being ganched. Imagine diving in for your head on attack on a formation of Do17s and He111s in your Hurribus MkI...only to be met with the storm of accurate lead that comes from the current AI gunners. Now imagine this scenario with Fw 190 and B-17s.

I do, I really, really do hope that the AI gunners are better.

Regarding the heavies, I can take them or leave them.

Cheers,
Ratsack

DuxCorvan
08-29-2007, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Ratsack:
My main hope regarding all the bombers in SoW is that the AI gunners will be better modeled than they are in IL-2. The constant AI sniping, from twisting evading bombers is just not funny.

If this can't be sorted out for SoW, then Battle of Britain is going to be about as much fun as being ganched. Imagine diving in for your head on attack on a formation of Do17s and He111s in your Hurribus MkI...only to be met with the storm of accurate lead that comes from the current AI gunners. Now imagine this scenario with Fw 190 and B-17s.

I do, I really, really do hope that the AI gunners are better.

Regarding the heavies, I can take them or leave them.

Cheers,
Ratsack

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The cybernetic accuracy of Il-2 AI gunners will make BoB a nightmare for the exposed RAF fighters -given the poor punch of their .303s, which will force them to long, repeated and accurate bursts- and will make the Defiant the best weapon of WW2.

Hoenire
08-30-2007, 04:34 AM
There are 2 things I'd really like to see, but probably won't...

1. The battle of France before Dunkirk.

2. Nightfighters with radar - imagine being in a 110 with a radar operator and trying to intercept Lancasters or Halifaxes etc

amilaninia
08-30-2007, 08:01 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ratsack:
My main hope regarding all the bombers in SoW is that the AI gunners will be better modeled than they are in IL-2. The constant AI sniping, from twisting evading bombers is just not funny.

If this can't be sorted out for SoW, then Battle of Britain is going to be about as much fun as being ganched. Imagine diving in for your head on attack on a formation of Do17s and He111s in your Hurribus MkI...only to be met with the storm of accurate lead that comes from the current AI gunners. Now imagine this scenario with Fw 190 and B-17s.

I do, I really, really do hope that the AI gunners are better.

Regarding the heavies, I can take them or leave them.

Cheers,
Ratsack

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The cybernetic accuracy of Il-2 AI gunners will make BoB a nightmare for the exposed RAF fighters -given the poor punch of their .303s, which will force them to long, repeated and accurate bursts- and will make the Defiant the best weapon of WW2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The name AI gunner is an extremely modest expression here. I would call them ROBOCOPS. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif