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Stevepine
04-06-2006, 11:31 AM
It seems us Brits are not only doomed to be bad guys in almost every american movie but also are shown to be ridiculous characters in most computer games. ( such as in Call of Duty 2 for example) also the Royal Navy are , of course , the enemy in SH3 and are not even going to feature in SH4 at all. Never mind that the R.N. was one of the most powerful naval forces on the plannet and certainly the most experienced.
Oh well... at least we make good bad guys in the movies... ( Alan Rickman as Hans Gruber in Die Hard is my favourite)

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 11:36 AM
Yeah, I hear you on that score. There is also the reputation to live down of having the worst dental health in the Western world. My wife [English] doesn't understand that. I had to explain to her that in North America there is the impression that the English have bad teeth.

But it's not all bad for you Brits. You are reputed to have the best special forces [SAS] and the best or close to best intelligence service.

DBond99
04-06-2006, 11:41 AM
Here ya go mate

http://www.more-selfesteem.com/low_self_esteem.htm

Michael Caine was good in Austin Powers. And who could forget Sir John Gielgud in Arthur? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Silent_O
04-06-2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by DBond99:
Here ya go mate

http://www.more-selfesteem.com/low_self_esteem.htm

Michael Caine was good in Austin Powers. And who could forget Sir John Gielgud in Arthur? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

But hey, at least that's only in movies and games...We Americans tend to be labeled as the World's Bully by the European press and ours!

( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif little do they know that we are only a bunch of computer gaming nerds and only care about NASCAR racing)

Celeon999
04-06-2006, 12:14 PM
It seems us Brits are not only doomed to be bad guys in almost every american movie but also are shown to be ridiculous characters in most computer games.

It seems us Brits are not only doomed to be bad guys in almost every american movie but also are shown to be ridiculous characters in most computer games.



Heh! We always told you that you brits are the bad guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


You never listened to our wonderful propaganda radio shows we send over to you.

Now you see we said the truth http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Ah yes and France


and the USA

and the Soviet Union

and Poland

and the Netherlands

and Belgium

and Jugoslavia

and Greek

and Italia .......at some point.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and Norway ..... Only temporarily bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hell, im sure i forgot someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Sometimes its really hard to remember all former enemys...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif We used to make a list just in case we forgot someone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bucketlung
04-06-2006, 12:51 PM
One of my favorite jokes is the one about what jobs the people of Europe will have in hell and the British will be the cooks. I wish I could remember where the other countries fit in but I don't. I think the Italians had something to do with efficiency.

Celeon999
04-06-2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Bucketlung:
One of my favorite jokes is the one about what jobs the people of Europe will have in hell and the British will be the cooks. I wish I could remember where the other countries fit in but I don't. I think the Italians had something to do with efficiency.

I know that one ! In heaven the germans would all be mechanics and in hell they would all be policemen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ILikePortillos
04-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Well if it makes you feel any better, I never got that impression. I can see what you're saying though in the scripted dialogue of COD or COD II. It's as if an American who didn't know any British people wrote it (I'm American, by the way). On the contrary, I've always been impressed with the British in the games. This may be because I'm interested in history and realize the might of the British armed forces, but even playing the game, I always look forward to being the British in BF1942, and I fear them in this game. I guess it's because I've always been fond of your island and its history. Never been there yet though, but would love to go. It's just hard when you're deciding where to go on vacation and it's either Northwestern Europe or . . . say . . . Mexico. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

hueywolf123
04-06-2006, 04:57 PM
You could be mistaken,
Wasn't it you Brits who used all your loyal commonwealth allies as cannon fodder? Don't deny it, it's true. You are now just getting your own back. Be gratefull it's only in pc games and not real life.
P.S, stop sending us your back-packers, haven't you seen 'wolf creek' ?

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 05:16 PM
Ha ha ha! There are some good humourists in this forum.

Portillos, I recommend you make the trek to England. At least there the water doesn't give you the runs. The cooking is a lot better as well, so you can forget about the stereotyped bad British chefs. Oh, the museums! Something there for everybody. I've been to and recommend the museums in London and the others that are scattered all over the island. I've been to the Fleet Air Arm, for example. There is also the tank collection at Muckleborough, where they have some German armour and an authentic WW2 panzer man on staff.

Just be careful to look both ways before you cross a street. North American pedestrian habits can get you killed in England. I nearly got taken out by a Rolls Royce my first visit to London.

Schiffmorder
04-06-2006, 05:49 PM
In all seriousness, and Iraq aside, I will never forget that it was Tony Blair that came to America to show his (and thus Britains) support and sympathy right after 9/11... and that meant a lot to us at the time I think. You lot had your heads up your rears 200 years ago, but you are aces in my book now.

Bucketlung
04-06-2006, 06:18 PM
I'm guessing hueywolf123 is from Australia?

I worked at an Australian company for a few years. I have never seen a group of people with such a developed sense of humor. They were always busting a gut.

But we could sure get them going about being used by the British. Isn't it Galipoli(sp?) or something like that.

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 06:30 PM
Yeah, it goes back to Gallipoli, at least. I think there may even be resentment going back as far as the Boer War. Canadians have similar memories of our troops suffering under the hands of British officers, such as "Butcher" Haig in WW1. During WW2 our country's leaders fought hard to have our own units in the Commonwealth ranks, so there were such things as Canadian units in the RAF, eventually to become the RCAF, or the amalgamation of Canadian units into a Canadian Army.

Bucketlung
04-06-2006, 07:34 PM
It's funny or isn't funny how long some of this stuff lasts.

A friend of mine married this very Irish Catholic girl and they went to Ireland for their honeymoon. After they came back I was talking to her about the trip and she was showing pictures of these churches and was very agitated and angry about how the British had taken them away from the Catholics and turned them into Protestant churches. I follow the news and I hadn't heard about any of that so I asked her when this had happened, expecting to hear the 1970's or maybe 1960's. Well she started talking about Oliver Cromwell.

Oliver Cromwell (April 25, 1599 €" September 3, 1658).

I slowly backed away.

Kaleun1961
04-06-2006, 07:47 PM
About the only people I know of with a longer collective memory than the Irish are the [former] Yugoslavians. Some of their ethnic feuds go back 800 years or so.

Schiffmorder
04-06-2006, 11:22 PM
Actually bucket it goes back further than Cromwell... you see there was this guy named Henry VIII and he wanted a divorce... (buckets eyes glaze over... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif )

Stevepine
04-07-2006, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by hueywolf123:
You could be mistaken,
Wasn't it you Brits who used all your loyal commonwealth allies as cannon fodder? Don't deny it, it's true. You are now just getting your own back. Be gratefull it's only in pc games and not real life.
P.S, stop sending us your back-packers, haven't you seen 'wolf creek' ?


well you dont have a chip on your sholder at all do you! hahaha anyway on a serious note.. its true that it took the ww1 British generals a long time to realise that their tactics were out of date for mechanized warfare and some heavy losses were taken. But you know who lost the most men under the command of such generals...? us Brits ... ourselves ( at the Somme for example) so stop moaning OK?

Dominicrigg
04-07-2006, 05:12 AM
LOl funny thread. I always wondered why the British are always villains in hollywood...

The worst one for me was starwars as a kid. All the good guys have super american accents like the texan guy "STAY ON TARGET!!" and all the evil Empire dudes are posh english in German style military clothing lolz.

I think its more the fact that our accent sounds cold intelligent and calculating more than anything though, rather than some secret hatred lol. English always make the best villains, and everyone loves the bad guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Christopher Lee anyone (pure class)

Dont worry, in a way its player hating, give it a few more years and it will be americans who become the TV supervillains i bet. Maybe Lucas will remake starwars and swap the accents around, with luke skywalker as an Albanian, and Han Solo as a Mexican. Then the empire will all be Texans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The_Silent_O
04-07-2006, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
LOl funny thread. I always wondered why the British are always villains in hollywood...

The worst one for me was starwars as a kid. All the good guys have super american accents like the texan guy "STAY ON TARGET!!" and all the evil Empire dudes are posh english in German style military clothing lolz.

I think its more the fact that our accent sounds cold intelligent and calculating more than anything though, rather than some secret hatred lol. English always make the best villains, and everyone loves the bad guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Christopher Lee anyone (pure class)

Dont worry, in a way its player hating, give it a few more years and it will be americans who become the TV supervillains i bet. Maybe Lucas will remake starwars and swap the accents around, with luke skywalker as an Albanian, and Han Solo as a Mexican. Then the empire will all be Texans. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

On the other hand...give me a good looking women with an english accent and my head is in a daze for the rest of the day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif...Kiera Knightly is just one for example...

I was at an Octoberfest back in the 90s and couldn't find a German for miles...but we did get into some drinking games with some Aussies and Kiwis...We too ended up talking about Breaker Morant and Gallipoli...Some wild people, travel accross the Globe just to drink beer at Octoberfest. dedicated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ILikePortillos
04-07-2006, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
LOl funny thread. I always wondered why the British are always villains in hollywood...

The worst one for me was starwars as a kid. All the good guys have super american accents like the texan guy "STAY ON TARGET!!" and all the evil Empire dudes are posh english in German style military clothing lolz.

EXCEPT, you have to remember that one of the most key characters to the rebellion was Obi-Wan, played by the gentleman Sir Alec Guiness (who, ironically, played King James in a movie where he faced off with Cromwell [I think]). Hard to believe the wisest and most intelligent (yoda) couldn't form a proper sentence. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Stevepine
04-07-2006, 10:19 AM
Did any of you guys ever see any of the old black and white British Naval war movies that even now get regular air time during boring week day afternoons and occasionally at Christmas... I remember finding myself surprised that a lot of them were actually made while world war 2 was still raging. The cruel sea , beneath the waves etc...

Stevepine
04-07-2006, 10:55 AM
Oh and hey, ILikePortillos , you sound like a really nice guy .. where in the states are you from?

CRSutton
04-08-2006, 01:29 PM
Don't get into too much of a huff. I spent two weeks in Scotland two years ago and one week in Ireland last year. They are just the most beautiful places that I have ever seen. And, your chocolate is much superior to our American ****! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

BueJack
04-08-2006, 02:36 PM
Let me stirr it up...
I don't think you have to worry about being a villain in hollywood, the villains get paid more.
The americans have a Sqdn(s) of Harriers. I don't know of the RAF having any american fighter planes.

I was surprised when I was in the UK about all the references to the Boer war. 'Kicked our butts you did... but we got you in the end" were the comments. Yup I said.. "..the concentration camps must have been really bad...". Mann this was 100 years ago.
And then there was apartheid, which I lived through, being none the wiser to a well orchestrated propaganda and military machine.

We're all villains at one stage or another..,
and this is why I'm :-
1) Never 'Patriotic' (never have been)
2) Never "Nationalistic' (never have been)
3) Always question the motives and never support politicians and or military.

As you can see now, there are many more villains in the world today.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Baldricks_Mate
04-09-2006, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Yeah, it goes back to Gallipoli, at least. I think there may even be resentment going back as far as the Boer War. Canadians have similar memories of our troops suffering under the hands of British officers, such as "Butcher" Haig in WW1. During WW2 our country's leaders fought hard to have our own units in the Commonwealth ranks, so there were such things as Canadian units in the RAF, eventually to become the RCAF, or the amalgamation of Canadian units into a Canadian Army.

We never forgot Breaker Morant (Boer War)..."Sir, we applied rule .303"
He was later executed by a British Court.

Article:http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j34/boer.htm

As well as Gallipoli and France. Mind you most of our Generals were D****heads too (4 Star for the American readers). However, the resentment is more the common soldier and officer towards incompetent Command and Political Leaders, whatever the nationality.

BueJack
04-09-2006, 09:46 AM
I saw the movie 'Breaker Morant'(Michael Caine I think it was) and thought that the then authoritities (Commonwealth) really threw away an incredible opportunity to learn what this group of soldiers had done.

They had dressed up in Khaki's (like the boers) and not in the usuall bright red uniform, that were visible for 1000's of miles. They employed the same Boer hit and run tactics that proved so very effective.... Yet they were executed for their endeavours.
Nice people, the military. an you can bet even today if you think individually you might be 'accidently executed' in the heat of battle ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The 'concentration camp' disaster really resulted from incredible bad planning, which was the hallmark of the military of the day. If it wasn't for a few British woman like Emily Hobhouse, a real catastrophe would have resulted. Funny enough in the height of Apartheid years we had 3 subs, one was called the 'Emily HobHouse', This in a time when the Boer decendents were at the height of their power.

Interesting... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

hueywolf123
04-09-2006, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by Stevepine:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hueywolf123:
You could be mistaken,
Wasn't it you Brits who used all your loyal commonwealth allies as cannon fodder? Don't deny it, it's true. You are now just getting your own back. Be gratefull it's only in pc games and not real life.
P.S, stop sending us your back-packers, haven't you seen 'wolf creek' ?


well you dont have a chip on your sholder at all do you! hahaha anyway on a serious note.. its true that it took the ww1 British generals a long time to realise that their tactics were out of date for mechanized warfare and some heavy losses were taken. But you know who lost the most men under the command of such generals...? us Brits ... ourselves ( at the Somme for example) so stop moaning OK? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not so much moaning (like you did to begin with) but more to the praise constantly being heaped on Mr Churchill. As an officer, and the architect of the Gallipoli campaign, he was an idiot who just happened to be born in the right place (blenheim), with silver spoon and all. But then during WWII, my family lost several member fighting over foreign soils. Why is it that finding actual British service persons war records, details of service and details of operations is so easy, but if they were with the commonwealth air training programme, you can only find name rank serial number, and if you are lucky, squadron. Why was it that Canadian, New Zealand and Australian aircrews trained in actual ops which did not count toward their tours, but different for UK crews. I could go on with this for days. I have recieved more info on my dead relatives through German sources who were very polite and very helpful, RAF archives though are quite impolite and very unhelpful

ILikePortillos
04-10-2006, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Stevepine:
Oh and hey, ILikePortillos , you sound like a really nice guy .. where in the states are you from?

Thanks Steve. I'm from Glendale Heights (http://www.glendaleheights.org/), Illinois. It's a suburb of Chicago. People of the midwest are generally pretty down to earth.

Dominicrigg
04-10-2006, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by hueywolf123:
But then during WWII, my family lost several member fighting over foreign soils. Why is it that finding actual British service persons war records, details of service and details of operations is so easy, but if they were with the commonwealth air training programme, you can only find name rank serial number, and if you are lucky, squadron. Why was it that Canadian, New Zealand and Australian aircrews trained in actual ops which did not count toward their tours, but different for UK crews. I could go on with this for days. I have recieved more info on my dead relatives through German sources who were very polite and very helpful, RAF archives though are quite impolite and very unhelpful

Thats sad, but the way you should think of it is that the people who count (regular everyday Brits) know about the efforts of all the commonwealth forces, Indians, Gurkas Scottish and on. Everyone knows their efforts were pivotal in WW2.

Remember the people who held off Rommels fiercest attacks in the desert before the counter attack? I think it was the Aussies if my memory serves me correctly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We should all know whenever anything "British" is refered to in WW2. Its the long list of commonwealth heroes, from Canada to New zealand!

BueJack
04-10-2006, 04:04 PM
AFAIK, it was anything but the Brits that held off Rommel in North Africa. A major part in convoy supplies, but a minor part when the action started.
Stand to be corrected as I'm going by my grandpa's accounts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Stevepine
04-12-2006, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hueywolf123:
But then during WWII, my family lost several member fighting over foreign soils. Why is it that finding actual British service persons war records, details of service and details of operations is so easy, but if they were with the commonwealth air training programme, you can only find name rank serial number, and if you are lucky, squadron. Why was it that Canadian, New Zealand and Australian aircrews trained in actual ops which did not count toward their tours, but different for UK crews. I could go on with this for days. I have recieved more info on my dead relatives through German sources who were very polite and very helpful, RAF archives though are quite impolite and very unhelpful

Thats sad, but the way you should think of it is that the people who count (regular everyday Brits) know about the efforts of all the commonwealth forces, Indians, Gurkas Scottish and on. Everyone knows their efforts were pivotal in WW2.

Remember the people who held off Rommels fiercest attacks in the desert before the counter attack? I think it was the Aussies if my memory serves me correctly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We should all know whenever anything "British" is refered to in WW2. Its the long list of commonwealth heroes, from Canada to New zealand! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well said .... EXACTLY

Stevepine
04-12-2006, 04:02 AM
Also...just to twist the knife.... shame about the Ashes !

Moustacheo
04-12-2006, 07:34 AM
I agree on the voice acting in COD, it just doesn't feel right. Has anyone here played Hidden & Dangerous 2? The voice acting in that is just brilliant, best British voice acting I've heard in any war game I think.

Baldricks_Mate
04-12-2006, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Stevepine:
Also...just to twist the knife.... shame about the Ashes !

Nah...The buggers were getting too big for their boots. As much as Aussies like their sports people to win, when those sports "heros" get arrogant about it all, we like to see them fall...a little. Keeps the B@st@rds honest!

Messervy
04-12-2006, 08:43 AM
Originally posted by Moustacheo:
I agree on the voice acting in COD, it just doesn't feel right. Has anyone here played Hidden & Dangerous 2? The voice acting in that is just brilliant, best British voice acting I've heard in any war game I think.

Agree!

I just wanted to point HD2 out. But as it goes it was Chech made - no American influence, yet!

general_kalle
04-13-2006, 03:58 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stevepine:
It seems us Brits are not only doomed to be bad guys in almost every american movie but also are shown to be ridiculous characters in most computer games. ( such as in Call of Duty 2 for example)

y do u think they are ridiculus in cod2???
its my favorite team!!!