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jugent
01-17-2006, 04:29 PM
If the 7.7 12.5 mm .50" or .303 bullits dont penetrate the engine the prohability to hit the pilot is neglectable. To hit a target as a man showing his head and shoulders, at known distance, from a fireposition on the ground, at 500m demands between 50 to 100 rounds.

To hit a human from a three dimenion-moving gun-platform, a moving human at uncertain distance, is almoust impossible.

Anybody who has a military background can tell us how difficult it is to shoot at aerial targets.

If the gunner hits the aircraft the most likely damage is to reduce the power of the engine, or damage the frame.

All the books ive read, and all the analyzes I have seen, the pilots are hit from the side, or from below, through the floor.

The only part of the body shown is the head, and it is behind bullet-proof glass. The rest of the body is hidden behind the engine, tanks, firewalls and armoured plates.

I would say that from 10 to 2 aclock the pilot is very good protected.

jugent
01-17-2006, 04:29 PM
If the 7.7 12.5 mm .50" or .303 bullits dont penetrate the engine the prohability to hit the pilot is neglectable. To hit a target as a man showing his head and shoulders, at known distance, from a fireposition on the ground, at 500m demands between 50 to 100 rounds.

To hit a human from a three dimenion-moving gun-platform, a moving human at uncertain distance, is almoust impossible.

Anybody who has a military background can tell us how difficult it is to shoot at aerial targets.

If the gunner hits the aircraft the most likely damage is to reduce the power of the engine, or damage the frame.

All the books ive read, and all the analyzes I have seen, the pilots are hit from the side, or from below, through the floor.

The only part of the body shown is the head, and it is behind bullet-proof glass. The rest of the body is hidden behind the engine, tanks, firewalls and armoured plates.

I would say that from 10 to 2 aclock the pilot is very good protected.

Freelancer-1
01-17-2006, 09:59 PM
LOL, you wouldn't know it from all the head shots I've taken when "jousting" online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.

wayno7777
01-17-2006, 10:03 PM
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To hit a target as a man showing his head and shoulders, at known distance, from a fireposition on the ground, at 500m demands between 50 to 100 rounds.

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chris455
01-17-2006, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To hit a target as a man showing his head and shoulders, at known distance, from a fireposition on the ground, at 500m demands between 50 to 100 rounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You should try using a 6.5mm Swedish Mauser sometime.
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wayno7777
01-17-2006, 11:53 PM
M-16, 6 rounds to sight in and good to go. Flip up long range ap. I should be able to hit it 7 out of ten shots.... (500 m, prone with sling)
Agree with the aerial, though....

ImpStarDuece
01-18-2006, 03:10 AM
What about if your guns spit out 240 rounds per second, a la the Hurricane IIc? Or 1/2 the rounds your fire explode into masses of fragements, a la the FW 190?

Jugent, try using the Arcademode=1 command in the config.ini. That way, at least when you fly offline, you can use externals and see where every bullet strike occurs.

Whenever I find my accuracy dropping, i switch to arcade mode so that I can asses what I'm doing wrong.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-18-2006, 03:37 AM
Which one of the variables represents luck?

And, JFYI, armored glass is against birdstrikes, not bullets.

Besides that, even on head on, the bullets do not fly in a direkt line from one a/c's nose to the other ones. E.g. in a P51 they fly from the wings to the center of the crosshairs.
And even worse: Not the complete front is filled with the engine-block. There are a lot of other parts, that are not massive metal and yet, even engines can be penetrated by a bullet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

jugent
01-18-2006, 11:46 AM
I know that a sniper needs less ammo than a MG.

I am talking about automatic fire.
I have been shooting more rounds with G m/96 than I can remember.

I have been shooting with the M-16 too and it loose its precision at longer distance than 250-300 m because of its light bullet (4 gr Vo 1020/ms).
You must use some special ammo.
7 hits out of 10 shoots at 500 m with no telescopic sight with a M-16, you should compete in the world championship.

I have been a educating soldiers how to shoot for 15 years.

I have used the arcade=1 and seen the cockpit turn look like a porcupine, but thats not realistic.
Check http://www.aviationshoppe.com/catalog/fw190-focke-wulf-190-p-71.html

http://www.white1foundation.org/parts/801_work3.jpg
Its most likely that a bullet wont do the pilot so much damage, and the description says "bulletproof glass" not "birdsafe canopy".