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d.o.d.e
05-09-2019, 10:10 PM
Here's a clip confirming it if anyone was looking (I'm the person who asked btw): https://clips.twitch.tv/RepleteDrabHornetOptimizePrime

I feel like AI companions are a staple for the series. Granted somewhat lacklustre squad command options in Wildlands, I was really hoping to see a big step forward in that regard. Especially as -regardelss of what they're doing with raids and whatnot- Breakpoint is a single player title, with co-op and pvp as additions to that, unlike The Division for example. And as they must be putting a large portion of their work into squadplay (If it's almost the biggest part of the reveal, its a core game pillar imo), it feels wierd for, honestly, what has to be most players to not experience that.

Also, from the gameplay reveal, it looks like a completely solo experience would either SEVERELY limit your options (for example no vehicle combat anymore). I get that they wanted to give a cool predator/lone wolf -style feel to fully solo play, but not giving players like me (who don't have friends who play GR, and also game at wierd houors due to work etc), and probably many others, even the option to have AI teammates feels like they're going to make me miss out on most of what the game has to offer. From a gameplay perspective atleast.

Not to mention many missions might be near- unplayable at higher difficulties without backup, if Wildlands is anything to go by. Breakpoint doesn't really feel balanced for a solo experience. Yea you'll be able to sync-shot, but that was honestly the least interesting part about your teammates in Wildlands. The revival mechanic, squad commands, and the dialouge were what made them "dynamic" to play with, for lack of a better word. So it's sad to lose all that, yet still have the puzzle game nature of the sync-shot left, which I feel is going to be exploited even more if you are forced to play even safer and take even less risks, since (I assume) you're basically screwed if things go sour and you're left without backup now.

And finally, the CUSTOMIZATION! This might only be a big deal for me rahter than anyone else, but I spend houors in Wildlands, customizing not only Nomad, but the rest of my team to mach; It's almost half the enjoyment for me. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty attached to them, especially (my) Midas. Seeing that the new ghost team matched my Wildlands one, almost to a tee, made me real giddy, until I found out that they won't be joining me.

Seeing as the game comes out in five months, I hope they find time to sort something out. And I honestly don't care if it clashes with the story, or if it's not the default way to play the game. Just implementing an on/off button somewhere hidden in a menu so we at least have the option is more than enough, in my opinion.

Everything else about the game looks amazing, looking forward to it.

friday_mortimer
05-10-2019, 07:42 AM
I'll buy the game when it has a customizable team.

JBizzle68
07-27-2019, 05:38 PM
They should bring back the next AI team mates.

Ubi should get rid of The Division entity that they applied on Ghost Recon Breakpoint and bring back the Ghost Recon Wildlands core but with improvements.

I for one hate the HUB, playing with random people, and having to be connected to the internet all the time to play.

So yeah, I would like to have the AI team mates back that is fully customizable.

Fraginstein
07-27-2019, 06:13 PM
I really enjoyed the team mates in Wildlands, sync shot was a huge reason i kept playing. I for one would love them to come back in breakpoint. I dont have any friends so nice to have the AI, pretend friends :p and im not being sarcastic. Without the AI team mates im not sure this will get the huge amount of hours wildlands got and is still getting from me.

Paddy.1111.
07-28-2019, 08:25 PM
I agree this Is meant to be ghost recon ,why bring in division elements

TwinnedRocket58
07-29-2019, 02:38 AM
I feel the AI teammates were one reason everyone loved Wildlands. Its different and unique and set Wildlands apart from similer games. Maybe not have them at the start but earn them or free them 1 by 1 in missions.

RoyKillyou2
07-29-2019, 08:16 AM
No question AI team mates was a Huge Draw for me in Wildlands. I loved being able to get a little more mileage out of having them. I started with the original Far Cry, my all time favorite until Wildlands and played all of them. I loved the gameplay of the original and that theme kinda followed them all . There were a few odd adds here and there but in general they were all a blast! When I purchased Wildlands, it quickly became my favorite hands down! I was hoping Breakpoint would follow that theme, but I see a lot of things that just don't seem to feel right in Breakpoint. I really enjoy the open world, and the graphics are awesome [just got a new RTX2080]. A lot of bugs in OTT but then again, its OTT and we were all warned about that. It will be interesting to see how the game evolves and I'm sure I will buy it. The question remains how much will I enjoy it? I binge played it this weekend and wish I could play longer to get a better idea, but it has been fun!

FriendCalled5
07-29-2019, 10:25 AM
Agreed, I don't have a real life squad to play with, I just want to enjoy it as an SP game with AI squadmates, as you say with more squad control options than Wildlands.

bigrexxx
07-29-2019, 02:35 PM
I just want to be able to order the AI into various formations, AND take out targets of opportunity, without breaking stealth, simply by entering their area of responsibility.

https://ttp3.dslyecxi.com/img/ttp3_illustration_27.png

RedRum_5150
07-29-2019, 03:57 PM
I'll buy the game when it has a customizable team.

Same here ��

RedRum_5150
07-29-2019, 03:58 PM
I just want to be able to order the AI into various formations, AND take out targets of opportunity, without breaking stealth, simply by entering their area of responsibility.

https://ttp3.dslyecxi.com/img/ttp3_illustration_27.png

I agree, be able to order them to do specific things like flank, suppress enemy, attack,etc would really make the game for me

WarChild421
07-29-2019, 04:00 PM
I would rather have just one really well done AI teammate that I can customize completely, Guns/kit/visuals, over 3 mediocrely done ones.

bigrexxx
07-29-2019, 04:41 PM
I agree, be able to order them to do specific things like flank, suppress enemy, attack,etc would really make the game for me

Yes, a mix between OGR, Full Spectrum Warrior and SWAT 4 commands.

Saint Woodring
07-29-2019, 07:14 PM
I really hope the AI is something that is optional when added, I always hated the AI in wildlands. It was awful and the commands you could issue were at best poor

Hugo-FOU
07-30-2019, 12:04 PM
I just want to be able to order the AI into various formations, AND take out targets of opportunity, without breaking stealth, simply by entering their area of responsibility.

https://ttp3.dslyecxi.com/img/ttp3_illustration_27.png

Definitely with you on this. A command to have the team form up around you when you’re escorting a prisoner or hostage would invaluable.

fastastoast
07-30-2019, 12:28 PM
Here's a clip confirming it if anyone was looking (I'm the person who asked btw): https://clips.twitch.tv/RepleteDrabHornetOptimizePrime

I feel like AI companions are a staple for the series. Granted somewhat lacklustre squad command options in Wildlands, I was really hoping to see a big step forward in that regard. Especially as -regardelss of what they're doing with raids and whatnot- Breakpoint is a single player title, with co-op and pvp as additions to that, unlike The Division for example. And as they must be putting a large portion of their work into squadplay (If it's almost the biggest part of the reveal, its a core game pillar imo), it feels wierd for, honestly, what has to be most players to not experience that.

Also, from the gameplay reveal, it looks like a completely solo experience would either SEVERELY limit your options (for example no vehicle combat anymore). I get that they wanted to give a cool predator/lone wolf -style feel to fully solo play, but not giving players like me (who don't have friends who play GR, and also game at wierd houors due to work etc), and probably many others, even the option to have AI teammates feels like they're going to make me miss out on most of what the game has to offer. From a gameplay perspective atleast.

Not to mention many missions might be near- unplayable at higher difficulties without backup, if Wildlands is anything to go by. Breakpoint doesn't really feel balanced for a solo experience. Yea you'll be able to sync-shot, but that was honestly the least interesting part about your teammates in Wildlands. The revival mechanic, squad commands, and the dialouge were what made them "dynamic" to play with, for lack of a better word. So it's sad to lose all that, yet still have the puzzle game nature of the sync-shot left, which I feel is going to be exploited even more if you are forced to play even safer and take even less risks, since (I assume) you're basically screwed if things go sour and you're left without backup now.

And finally, the CUSTOMIZATION! This might only be a big deal for me rahter than anyone else, but I spend houors in Wildlands, customizing not only Nomad, but the rest of my team to mach; It's almost half the enjoyment for me. And I'm not gonna lie, I'm pretty attached to them, especially (my) Midas. Seeing that the new ghost team matched my Wildlands one, almost to a tee, made me real giddy, until I found out that they won't be joining me.

Seeing as the game comes out in five months, I hope they find time to sort something out. And I honestly don't care if it clashes with the story, or if it's not the default way to play the game. Just implementing an on/off button somewhere hidden in a menu so we at least have the option is more than enough, in my opinion.

Everything else about the game looks amazing, looking forward to it.

This proves how much this game has to be, to so many different ppl. I honestly couldn't care less about the AI, (which one is Midas? Lol)

I love Wildlands, but never customised the squad and didn't get the appeal. Never used sync shot. I even thought the hateful narco road 'felt' better because these idiots weren't getting in the way, randomly shooting things and then being invisible to the enemies.

But, I totally understand that ppl are into it, I was totally for the squad AI returning for those guys that want it. It must really suck working on this game when it has to be a solo action game and a squad stealth game and everything else in between..

EL_CuCo0o
07-30-2019, 08:01 PM
Well the sync shot is what makes the A.I teamates valuable. An this is what makes ghost recon GHOST RECON lol. They should look to add this in breakpoint. Maybe let you pick up guys along the way?? Like npc's in the social area or even out in the world. I didnt add this to my post for my experience but this just came to mind. As for some saying unless teammates are customizable they would buy the game well idk if someone said this but wildlands a.i teammates are customizable in terms of clothing. Your teammates are equiped with there weapons which is fine as they are well equipped.

EL_CuCo0o
07-30-2019, 08:07 PM
Exactly at times you place em somewhere an one would run off an get spotted. I started leaving em at high spots to be my eyes an snipe when i had more than one target i needed to take out. But i feel ya lol either way im happy with AI not in breakpoint whether they add em later or as pick ups

bigrexxx
07-30-2019, 09:36 PM
You realize that by giving them orders, you make them visible to the NPC's. If you just ignored them, and just left them to their own devices, they never get spotted.

Kean_1
07-30-2019, 09:59 PM
Well the sync shot is what makes the A.I teamates valuable. An this is what makes ghost recon GHOST RECON lol. They should look to add this in breakpoint. Maybe let you pick up guys along the way?? Like npc's in the social area or even out in the world. I didnt add this to my post for my experience but this just came to mind. As for some saying unless teammates are customizable they would buy the game well idk if someone said this but wildlands a.i teammates are customizable in terms of clothing. Your teammates are equiped with there weapons which is fine as they are well equipped.

When GRB releases, it will not have team AI. It will still release in the form it was originally intended (solo or with friends / co-op). Part of that was the inclusion of small drones the player could use to "synch shot" enemies. I guess that's one way they felt they were able to keep the game balanced for co-op and solo play without friendly AI. .....but the exclusion of the team was obviously a mistake as they soon found out which is why they announced it will be added post-launch.

As for team AI fitting in the narrative of a solo action game experience, that was Ubi's decision to go that route and I suspect part of that was them not wanting to bother with a team AI for one reason or another (but that's just speculation). In GRW, many folks simply wanted the AI to be improved and/or for them to include an option for a "lone wolf" experience which they provided later in GRW. Also, it's not hard to legitimize team AI in this "lone survivor" GRB scenario when you've already got an option for 4 player co-op. ....a mode that is being encouraged more than "going it alone".

I will say that I have a feeling he team AI they do introduce will likely be more of a port from GRW than an improvement (if we're lucky). I also suspect a good portion of those who wanted the AI back will not be satisfied with what they get. Personally, I wouldn't hold out any hope and if the team AI is a make or break component for you, I would wait until it is implemented before buying this game.

fastastoast
07-30-2019, 11:09 PM
You realize that by giving them orders, you make them visible to the NPC's. If you just ignored them, and just left them to their own devices, they never get spotted.

This explains why my squad were always invisible and in the wrong place.. lol