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The_Great_Stonk
11-27-2004, 07:22 AM
so far ive mostly gone through the allied aircraft, i plan on going through the axis birds next week.

all tests performed at 25% fuel and default loadout with maximum power and closed radiators as close to the deck as i can get. using the arcade cockpit view to gain an exact measurment, map used was QMB pacific islands.

NOTE tests were performed in 3.01m, i intend to recheck them when the final 1st patch comes out.

p38's series
the L is slower (554kmh) then the older J (577kmh) on the deck, i was under the understanding that in reality the L was supposed to have greater grunt from its engines, although it may have also been heavier - so take what you will from that result.

USAAF

p39 series
slowest being the p400 (496kmh) fastest being the Q-10 (545kmh). to my surprise, the second fastest wasnt the Q-1 (529kmh), it was the D-2 (541kmh)

p400 496kmh
p39 D-1 497kmh
p39 D-2 541kmh
p39 N-1 518kmh
p39 Q-1 529kmh
p39 Q-10 545kmh

p40 series
the p40's proved a bland bunch in regard to range of results, most of them have identical speeds. however i personally know very little about the differences between the different vesions apart from weapon loadouts. so take it as you will.

Hawk 81A-2 466kmh
p40B 467kmh
p40C 466kmh
Tomahawk IIa 466kmh
Tomahawk IIb 466kmh
p40E 479kmh
p40R FM 105 480kmh
p40M 484kmh

p47 series
pretty much as id expect, the D10 and D22 both weigh in at 549kmh with the D27 hitting 576kmh

P51 series
this is where i got a little confused, it was my understanding that all the p51's should havenear identical speeds, with the B and or C slightly outstripping the D, but they dont. the D is faster by a significant margin.

p51B-NA 577kmh
p51C-NT 569kmh
p51D5-NT 595kmh
p51D20-NA 595kmh

any p51 buffs want to reflect on these figures ?

other planes of note;
p63C5 604kmh
YP-80 845kmh
beaufighter 516kmh

USN

F4 series
perform as expected to my knowledge.

F4F3 461kmh
F4F4 461kmh
FM2 472kmh

F4U-1 and corsair series.
considering the are supposed to be differences between these aircraft including weapon loads weights AND engine power spanning across several years of the war i was slightly dissapointed when i found they all went 575kmh on the deck, all 6 of them have identical top speeds at sea level.

F6F
my personaly experience and knowledge regarding these is minimal, surfice to say both the F6F3 and F6F5 go at 522kmh with their bellies skimming the surf.

RN

seafire series
as expected, the L is faster then the F, by a considerable margine.

Seafire L III 515kmh
Seafire F III 472kmh

RAF
spitfire series

here we get a large range of variance in aircraft, and pretty much every version has a different top speed, as it should be, the modeling of speed characteristics with the spitfires appears to be very well done indeed. somthing id like to point out though is that in the case of clipped wing spits, the clips versions are actually slightly slower then their uncliped counterparts, im not sure weather this is correct or not.

spitfire Vb '41 469kmh
spitfire Vb CW '43 467kmh
Spitfire Vb L.F. '42 526kmh
Spitfire Vb L.F. CW 522kmh
Spitfire VIII '43 540kmh
Spitfire VIII CW 533kmh
Spitfire IXc '43 542kmh
Spitfire L.F. IXc CW 534kmh
Spitfire IXe '44 540kmh
Spitfire IXe CW 534kmh
Spitfire IXe H.F. '44 530kmh

all looks to be in order their.

other planes of note that i happen to have figures for in game

109 K4 590kmh (auto pitch)
FW190 D9 '44 603kmh (auto pitch)
FW190 D9 '45 609kmh (auto pitch)
Ta-152 H-1 602kmh (auto pitch)
He-162 896kmh
Ki-84b 587kmh

take note that these figures are in game results, and i have not looked into weather or not they reflect the real life aircraft performance, nor do i intend to, this post in not meant to be a whine, a complaint, a troll, or any other form of asshatmanship. im simply performing these tests for my own knowledge for when fighting in game, and i thought id share my findings.

i do however ask that you do study these findings and discuss them in depth, since anything that promotes or results in the the fine tuning of aircraft to make them more distinctive from each other or more like how the community (AS A WHOLE) thinks they should be is a very good thing when were talking about the best combat flight sim out there.

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The_Great_Stonk
11-27-2004, 07:22 AM
so far ive mostly gone through the allied aircraft, i plan on going through the axis birds next week.

all tests performed at 25% fuel and default loadout with maximum power and closed radiators as close to the deck as i can get. using the arcade cockpit view to gain an exact measurment, map used was QMB pacific islands.

NOTE tests were performed in 3.01m, i intend to recheck them when the final 1st patch comes out.

p38's series
the L is slower (554kmh) then the older J (577kmh) on the deck, i was under the understanding that in reality the L was supposed to have greater grunt from its engines, although it may have also been heavier - so take what you will from that result.

USAAF

p39 series
slowest being the p400 (496kmh) fastest being the Q-10 (545kmh). to my surprise, the second fastest wasnt the Q-1 (529kmh), it was the D-2 (541kmh)

p400 496kmh
p39 D-1 497kmh
p39 D-2 541kmh
p39 N-1 518kmh
p39 Q-1 529kmh
p39 Q-10 545kmh

p40 series
the p40's proved a bland bunch in regard to range of results, most of them have identical speeds. however i personally know very little about the differences between the different vesions apart from weapon loadouts. so take it as you will.

Hawk 81A-2 466kmh
p40B 467kmh
p40C 466kmh
Tomahawk IIa 466kmh
Tomahawk IIb 466kmh
p40E 479kmh
p40R FM 105 480kmh
p40M 484kmh

p47 series
pretty much as id expect, the D10 and D22 both weigh in at 549kmh with the D27 hitting 576kmh

P51 series
this is where i got a little confused, it was my understanding that all the p51's should havenear identical speeds, with the B and or C slightly outstripping the D, but they dont. the D is faster by a significant margin.

p51B-NA 577kmh
p51C-NT 569kmh
p51D5-NT 595kmh
p51D20-NA 595kmh

any p51 buffs want to reflect on these figures ?

other planes of note;
p63C5 604kmh
YP-80 845kmh
beaufighter 516kmh

USN

F4 series
perform as expected to my knowledge.

F4F3 461kmh
F4F4 461kmh
FM2 472kmh

F4U-1 and corsair series.
considering the are supposed to be differences between these aircraft including weapon loads weights AND engine power spanning across several years of the war i was slightly dissapointed when i found they all went 575kmh on the deck, all 6 of them have identical top speeds at sea level.

F6F
my personaly experience and knowledge regarding these is minimal, surfice to say both the F6F3 and F6F5 go at 522kmh with their bellies skimming the surf.

RN

seafire series
as expected, the L is faster then the F, by a considerable margine.

Seafire L III 515kmh
Seafire F III 472kmh

RAF
spitfire series

here we get a large range of variance in aircraft, and pretty much every version has a different top speed, as it should be, the modeling of speed characteristics with the spitfires appears to be very well done indeed. somthing id like to point out though is that in the case of clipped wing spits, the clips versions are actually slightly slower then their uncliped counterparts, im not sure weather this is correct or not.

spitfire Vb '41 469kmh
spitfire Vb CW '43 467kmh
Spitfire Vb L.F. '42 526kmh
Spitfire Vb L.F. CW 522kmh
Spitfire VIII '43 540kmh
Spitfire VIII CW 533kmh
Spitfire IXc '43 542kmh
Spitfire L.F. IXc CW 534kmh
Spitfire IXe '44 540kmh
Spitfire IXe CW 534kmh
Spitfire IXe H.F. '44 530kmh

all looks to be in order their.

other planes of note that i happen to have figures for in game

109 K4 590kmh (auto pitch)
FW190 D9 '44 603kmh (auto pitch)
FW190 D9 '45 609kmh (auto pitch)
Ta-152 H-1 602kmh (auto pitch)
He-162 896kmh
Ki-84b 587kmh

take note that these figures are in game results, and i have not looked into weather or not they reflect the real life aircraft performance, nor do i intend to, this post in not meant to be a whine, a complaint, a troll, or any other form of asshatmanship. im simply performing these tests for my own knowledge for when fighting in game, and i thought id share my findings.

i do however ask that you do study these findings and discuss them in depth, since anything that promotes or results in the the fine tuning of aircraft to make them more distinctive from each other or more like how the community (AS A WHOLE) thinks they should be is a very good thing when were talking about the best combat flight sim out there.

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DuxCorvan
11-27-2004, 07:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
Ki-84b 87kmh
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great! I can pass it in my Volkswagen! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

VW-IceFire
11-27-2004, 07:36 AM
Excellent! Well done with the tests and thanks for the efforts.

Couple of things you were questioning.

1) The P-51D is actually slightly slower, or so I'm told, than the P-51B/C at higher altitudes. This was done to better even out the lower altitude performance so the D is faster at low altitude as well as achieving a fantastic high altitude performance. I could be wrong, but I thought this had more to do with the wing design being modified. Maybe a more dedicated P-51 fan can tell me...but from what I know, this discrepancy is correct.

2) Its odd that the clipped wing Spitfires are slower. I wonder if the values are reversed for some reason. I was under the impression that the clipped wing Spits were both faster and more manuverable at lower altitudes (with a slightly better roll rate) and that the standard wing Spits performed better at altitude. However, maybe the clipped wings impacted speed performance rather than helped it?

3) The P-40 from E through M I think used roughly the same engine and just differed in length of fuselage and relative stability. Not sure exactly.

4) P-38J I'm told was faster than the L due to weight or something along those lines. Thats why I fly the J online when the server allows it (but they usually consider the J superflous and ignore it).

The_Great_Stonk
11-27-2004, 07:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
Ki-84b 87kmh
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great! I can pass it in my Volkswagen! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oopsey hehe

i believe the difference between the p40 E and M was that the M had a supercharger, or a different supercharger then the E that helped it at higher alititudes, we'll see when i come round to testing speeds above them thar clouds, along with the p51's