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SODsniper
02-03-2007, 08:08 AM
https://secure.trinitygames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2105


Though it is just **MY OPINION** I have a feeling that this is as close we are going to get to SADS.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


FlimFlam, time to come up with a new term.

How about "SEMI SADS"??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

sls1aw
02-03-2007, 08:14 AM
Are they trying to scare away new customers @ trinity ?

ST.Joker
02-03-2007, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
https://secure.trinitygames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2105


Though it is just **MY OPINION** I have a feeling that this is as close we are going to get to SADS.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


FlimFlam, time to come up with a new term.

How about "SEMI SADS"??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

SEMI SADS IS CORRECT!
This is what we will be stuck with due to people like Trinity who will use substandard technology to run servers and have the nuts to call them dedicated servers. and to praise UBI in the process is just a joke. I want real dedicated server files so that server hosts can setup and run a real dedicated server not to much to ask from a multiplayer game.

Diggler72
02-03-2007, 09:29 AM
would be interesting how they fixed the nade sound bug.

SLuG.pTz.
02-03-2007, 09:35 AM
Ok, this looks promising, especially the claim that they fixed the frag sound bug.

Unfortunately, I don't see any willingness to share this innovation with the rest of us who want to run our own servers.

Being a UBI customer is like getting punched in the face repeatedly.

I am glad that Devs from UBisoft are working SO closely with Trinity gaming so that they can have a stable TextServer. This shows the general mindset of Ubisoft and their cohorts, which is to blatently do anything possible to take our money whether it be the game, a server, or hardware. This game is a moneypit, I really really hope that Trinity shares their little innovation with the rest of the community, but I don't really see why they would. I think we can all see that they will just try to "Monopolize" the RSV server market by not sharing their Server Setup files. Smart business move, guess it just sucks to be the "other" UBI customers (us) who get NO help from UBI with these SADS.


We're been extremely Proud and excited to work with the guys at Ubisoft, just a great super bunch of guys that really do care about this game and its success and we think it's really an honor to have been involved with the project.

I take this as a slap in the face, UBI devs helped Trinity make a stable SADS so that they can extract more money from us. Ubi treats its customers like lambs to the slaughter. I am a fair minded person, and have waited to comment on this game until it was patched and I had some real time to form a fair opinion, but after working and trying to get my SADS working for the past two weeks, I read this and feel like I have been kicked in the balls. I really really hope that Ubi/Trinity passes along this SADS setup...otherwise shame on both companies.

- SLuG

FI_FlimFlam
02-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by SODsniper:
https://secure.trinitygames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2105


Though it is just **MY OPINION** I have a feeling that this is as close we are going to get to SADS.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


FlimFlam, time to come up with a new term.

How about "SEMI SADS"??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ROFL - I did but it got deleted by a mod....
I'll leave it at that and not go into details and which is also the reason is why I have been avoiding posting on the fourms. However, I coudln't let this one pass.


Since my original use of SADS is for some reason very hard to understand for some, I mentioned that perhaps we should start using the acronym SADSWNCDGC for "Stand Alone Dedicated Server W No CD or Graphics Card". I had another but I don't remember it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think we may end up having to extend the acronym to really nail it down for those who have trouble with the definition of the more simple SADS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, I'm glad Trinity got their server up and running finally to be able to provide some for rent. It's sad that they have use "workarounds" to provide dedicated server for rental. I'm actually pretty amazed given the issues surrounding the current state of SADS and the game in general in regards to hosting and playing MP, that any company is willing to provide servers for rent. Given the stability issues, it's going to be a support nightmare and he's going to have his tech log in alot of hours just supporting this game - like every time someone wants to change the launch variables. It really makes me wonder the amount of profit he can actually make on hosting the game. But I guess he's got something worked out with UBI in that regards to make it worth his while or he wouldn't be providing servers. Or he's using a version of the dedicated server that isn't available to the public - one or the other....

Perseus_AWC
02-03-2007, 11:48 AM
So you still won't have the ability to boot/ban someone?

SODsniper
02-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by FI_FlimFlam:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
https://secure.trinitygames.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2105


Though it is just **MY OPINION** I have a feeling that this is as close we are going to get to SADS.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


FlimFlam, time to come up with a new term.

How about "SEMI SADS"??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ROFL - I did but it got deleted by a mod....
I'll leave it at that and not go into details and which is also the reason is why I have been avoiding posting on the fourms. However, I coudln't let this one pass.


Since my original use of SADS is for some reason very hard to understand for some, I mentioned that perhaps we should start using the acronym SADSWNCDGC for "Stand Alone Dedicated Server W No CD or Graphics Card". I had another but I don't remember it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think we may end up having to extend the acronym to really nail it down for those who have trouble with the definition of the more simple SADS. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, I'm glad Trinity got their server up and running finally to be able to provide some for rent. It's sad that they have use "workarounds" to provide dedicated server for rental. I'm actually pretty amazed given the issues surrounding the current state of SADS and the game in general in regards to hosting and playing MP, that any company is willing to provide servers for rent. Given the stability issues, it's going to be a support nightmare and he's going to have his tech log in alot of hours just supporting this game - like every time someone wants to change the launch variables. It really makes me wonder the amount of profit he can actually make on hosting the game. But I guess he's got something worked out with UBI in that regards to make it worth his while or he wouldn't be providing servers. Or he's using a version of the dedicated server that isn't available to the public - one or the other.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What UBI doesn't seem to comprehend is that it is the COMMUNITY that sets the definitions...

Not UBI.. Not Trinity...

While I am the biggest advocate of "the cup is half full" and "finding the silver lining", UBI needs to stop giving us carp and telling us it's roses...

RLCSeMPeRFi
02-03-2007, 01:17 PM
I can only imagine the kind of money UBI must be paying Trinity to deal with this. I bet every night Scott goes home he pulls his hair out, kicks the dog, and punches the baby just to feel better.

Bunnyhop-AGE-
02-03-2007, 02:37 PM
Hopefully not too much as how it seems, the way Trinity set things up there's no way to use the PB web tool on their servers (they use a NAT system for each install and they won't setup dedicated port forwarding).

So as such now with Trinity, you can have a dedicated server up and running, but no way to admin it beyond configuring, starting and stopping it.

RLCSeMPeRFi
02-03-2007, 02:39 PM
Lamelamerson. Who would pay for that?

Bunnyhop-AGE-
02-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Apparently I would =)

I'd been working with them for weeks trying to hammer out a working setup for the servers...when we tried out 1.4 prerelease we couldn't use PB so i couldn't test the web tool capabilities. And since 1.4 was officially released I've been unable to dedicate my focus to seeing how the server was operating. Decided I'd get it all sorted out today so the clan admins could do their thing and lo and behold I'm told that while they're on the lookout for a viable option, the web tools are a no go.

Just to add icing to the cake. I am unable to modify the PB config files right now =/. In all fairness in their semi-coherent announcements they did mention the ability to edit the server.ini's was the only thing they promised.

KI.Maximus
02-03-2007, 03:32 PM
dont they give ftp access to upload pb files?


also, the webtool offers nothing right now besides to see who is on the server and screenshots.. so right now, its worthless anyway

Bunnyhop-AGE-
02-03-2007, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by KI.Maximus:
dont they give ftp access to upload pb files?


also, the webtool offers nothing right now besides to see who is on the server and screenshots.. so right now, its worthless anyway

The web tool at the very least would provide a method to send console commands to the server. Of course I don't know for certain...I haven't been able to use the tool with vegas yet. But every other PB game I've admined since the days of COD 1 has had at minimum that capability.

As for the FTP access...no, the only access I have is to a handful of the .ini files in the game...so I can adjust server settings...but something like adding a banlist or adding PB configs (such at the RA cvar checks) is beyond the access my account has.

sls1aw
02-03-2007, 03:57 PM
So for a mere 67$ you can have yourself a public dedicated server no one can control. Hummm, I think I can get that for free by visiting other peoples servers lol

Bunnyhop-AGE-
02-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Precisely what I said to a few clanmates after I found this out =)

As it stands right now there's no point (that I can see) in renting a dedicated server.

Now I'm not saying Trinity won't eventually offer the configuration support for PB or use of the web tool (or another admin setup)...in fact from one support ticket response it sounds like it might eventually happen...just that there's nothing immediately on the horizon and as it stands, there's no benefit to renting a dedicated server at the moment that would be different from simply raiding an empty public server.

SODsniper
02-03-2007, 04:18 PM
I don't fault Trinity for trying to make the best of a bad situation.

They probably went into this just as the community did. With the expectation of FULL SADS, not SEMI-SADS..

It's kinda like when LOCKDOWN DEMO was released. People were posting days before the DEMO release, saying they had made plans to have a DEMO dedicated server running. There were dozens of those kinds of posts and I bet people shelled out some bucks to be the first to have a LOCKDOWN DEMO SERVER...

Then the DEMO was released and.. Guess What?? NO Dedicated Server possible. UBI could have forestalled such problems by communicating to the community that there were no SADS files with the LD Demo...

Fast Forward to VEGAS and history repeats itself...

It's simply mind-boggling how many problems could be avoided, simply by a little communication..

TD2.tv
02-03-2007, 04:18 PM
wheres the Co-Op Story SADS?

RLCSeMPeRFi
02-03-2007, 05:21 PM
wheres the Co-Op Story SADS?

@ echo on
START R6Vegas_Game TEXTSERVER MP_Mexico_01?AgO=1?AgU=UBI USERNAME?AgP=UBI PASSWORD?Name=testing?RG=0?RC=3?TBR=0?GAME=R6Game. R6CoopStoryGame?TKPM=5?FF=0?TL=600?MP=16?AR=0?ML=1 ?TR=0?GPL=0?LT=0?TKP=1?TB=5?GD=3?XUID=204765051686 6889223?XNADDR=?Server -nosound -nowxwindows -log

Bunnyhop-AGE-
02-03-2007, 08:04 PM
On a good note it looks like I was mistaking. Trinity did a quick change to get PB editing possible for us.

After editing the PB files, adding in RA's cvar checks I then tried setting up the webtool. Even though the servers are setup in a NAT environment (which is what alarmed me in the first place as far as getting the tool to work effectively without port forwarding), I was able to connect to it and can use it for admin purposes.

So it looks like I was just crying the sky was falling for nothing =) All seems well.

KI.Maximus
02-03-2007, 08:10 PM
stil cant kick with webtool, unless you want to kick the entire server lol

SODsniper
02-04-2007, 05:33 AM
Ya know the one thing that is really awesome about that thread over at Trinity??

It's been updated 6 times in the last 12 hours with real solid intel..

You may slam Trinity all ya want for it's support of UBI, but it is undeniable that at least Trinity knows how to keep their customers informed and uptodate..

6 posts in 12 hours... In here you would have to go back how quite a ways to find 6 official posts with even half the good solid information..


I know, I know.. Broken record.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

FWF.Osteo
02-04-2007, 06:31 AM
I'm not one of our admins but I can confirm that the FWF.Matchserver is up, runs as smoothly as the software will allow (with the encluded bugs of gun bug, lobby of death, and who knows what else) but with the grenade sounds fixed! It loads very quickly and some of our very slow loaders that usually don't make it into the 1st round can easily make it in.

The problem isn't Trinity IMHO; Scott is doing a great job...

SODsniper
02-04-2007, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by FWF.Osteo:

The problem isn't Trinity IMHO; Scott is doing a great job...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif