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Dr_Jon_Zoidberg
08-25-2005, 03:09 AM
I found this great site on German X-Planes. Its got plenty of design drawings and some great CG artwork of them in action.
http://www.luft46.com/
Having some of these in the game would be great.
I'd especially love to be able to try this Junkers ground attack design out on some T-34's.
http://www.luft46.com/junkers/jugap.html

Gibbage1
08-25-2005, 03:13 AM
Edit:Gibbage, play nice!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

major_setback
08-25-2005, 04:24 AM
Yes it's a great site!

Dr_Jon_Zoidberg
08-25-2005, 05:55 AM
My apologies. I should have known this would have already been posted. Glad to see this is sucha welcoming forum.

While I'm here, does anybody know of any good books on the subject of German aircraft design? Preferably something with plenty of good illustrations.

P.S Gibbage1 I am no noob, I've just never felt the need to post here.

womenfly
08-25-2005, 06:06 AM
<span class="ev_code_PINK">Dr_Jon_Zoidberg ... thanks for posting the site, SOME of us have not seen it before .. </span>http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Deadmeat313
08-25-2005, 06:30 AM
It is a very cool site, and very worthy of mention on this forum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I checked this out recently and it does have some amazing designs. You can really see that in the earliest days of jet technology the designers were faced with a tabula rasa and had to work on the theory from the gound up. No one knew what shape a jet should be, so they experimented with all kinds of shapes and sizes.

Now - to REALLY annoy the purists - try suggesting that some of these designs be modelled as flyable aircraft in the next patch.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

T.

Jaras
08-25-2005, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by Dr_Jon_Zoidberg:
I found this great site on German X-Planes. Its got plenty of design drawings and some great CG artwork of them in action.
http://www.luft46.com/
Having some of these in the game would be great.
I'd especially love to be able to try this Junkers ground attack design out on some T-34's.
http://www.luft46.com/junkers/jugap.html

Thanks man! I didn't know this site. It's a gem.

Capt.LoneRanger
08-25-2005, 10:35 AM
I didn't know it either.

Seems Gib has PMS again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Airmail109
08-25-2005, 10:44 AM
Gives me some ideas for RC aircraft projects! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

F0_Dark_P
08-25-2005, 10:56 AM
nice site http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

btw i like this fighter, Messerschmitt P 1101

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/240-0359.jpg

it looks alot like our (Swedish) J29 Tunnan, btw my favourite fighter after the 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/tun15.jpg

[EDIT] i changed the me pick

Capt.England
08-25-2005, 05:32 PM
Gibbage1;

Take a chill pill mate! Just because you, me, and a lot of people know about this site does not mean that it's not useful info for some people who do not know that it is out there!

As I have said before, the stuff on this site is the kind of thing that I would love to see made into a fight sim (I would call it LUFT 46-50) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEXX_Luthor
08-25-2005, 05:45 PM
Ow wow! Look! The 50th Noob to <span class="ev_code_yellow">model</span> a German X-plane for FB.

Leave Gibbage Alone! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Gibbage wants to forget about that -- modeling the Go-229 External model (and YP-80).

But we won't let him forget. Awsum work Gibb. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DrJon, Wellcome to Forgotten Board

XyZspineZyX
08-25-2005, 07:05 PM
almost all of these airplanes look like they belong in Crimson Skies

woofiedog
08-25-2005, 10:24 PM
You might what to check out...

Boyne, W. J., 1980. Messerschmitt Me 262 - Arrow to the Future. Smithsonian Institute Press, Washington.

Welcome to the Forum by the way

Luftwaffe_109
08-25-2005, 11:59 PM
This is a curious aircraft, the Bachem Ba 349 "Natter" which apparently flew on a couple of manned test missions.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/bachemba.htm

Gibbage1
08-26-2005, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

Leave Gibbage Alone! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Gibbage wants to forget about that -- modeling the Go-229 External model (and YP-80).

But we won't let him forget. Awsum work Gibb. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

DrJon, Wellcome to Forgotten Board

Heh. No. Im proud of my work on the Gotha. Im NOT proud of the Luftwaffe fanboys on this forum that said the P-80 had no place, but gladly accept aircraft like the Go-229 and Do-335. Hypocrites. That exoerance has soiled me in many ways.

My appologies for sounding harsh. It just seems that Luft46 is posted here at least once every other month. Do a search and you would be amazed at how often its referanced here.

Tooz_69GIAP
08-26-2005, 01:20 AM
For those who have not seen this site - if you are interested in "what if" and "airforce 1946" aircraft, you may be interested to look here:

http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/

The Japanese equivalent to "Luft46"

Friendly_flyer
08-26-2005, 01:34 AM
Wow, the Japanese Navy certainly had some very nifty ideas!

Badsight.
08-26-2005, 02:46 AM
move along , nothing to see here . . . .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/Shinden_sig.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Badsight/Shinden.jpg

major_setback
08-26-2005, 02:58 AM
...
http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/

The Japanese equivalent to "Luft46"

Nice site. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

carguy_
08-26-2005, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Heh. No. Im proud of my work on the Gotha. Im NOT proud of the Luftwaffe fanboys on this forum that said the P-80 had no place, but gladly accept aircraft like the Go-229 and Do-335. Hypocrites. That exoerance has soiled me in many ways.


*cough*P38Llate*cough*



*cough,cough*no proof*cough,cough,cough*

Jaras
08-26-2005, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:
*cough*P38Llate*cough*
*cough,cough*no proof*cough,cough,cough*
Tuberculosis?

btw, nice site about that japanese xplanes.

Gibbage1
08-26-2005, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by carguy_:

*cough*P38Llate*cough*



*cough,cough*no proof*cough,cough,cough*

Hay hypocritical Luftwaffe fanboy. You have no proof the Go-229 ever flew in combat, or the Do-335, or that the Bf-109Z ever flew at all. So dont give me this P-38L Late BS since over 3000 were built with the Allison F-30 engines rated from the factory at 1725HP.

Badsight.
08-26-2005, 03:39 AM
i dont think you will find anyone claiming the Bf-Z or Go-229 to have a combat history

because that would be rediculous

waffen-79
08-26-2005, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:

*cough*P38Llate*cough*



*cough,cough*no proof*cough,cough,cough*

Hay hypocritical Luftwaffe fanboy. You have no proof the Go-229 ever flew in combat, or the Do-335, or that the Bf-109Z ever flew at all. So dont give me this P-38L Late BS since over 3000 were built with the Allison F-30 engines rated from the factory at 1725HP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's irrelevant, the GO-229 and the Bf-109Z ARE BANNED ONLINE(even the HE-162 & ME-262) and it's your choise if you fly them offline

Maddox include them in FB, for God knows what reason. so deal with it.

Is the P-38L(late) banned online?... exactly

Interminate
08-27-2005, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:

*cough*P38Llate*cough*



*cough,cough*no proof*cough,cough,cough*

Hay hypocritical Luftwaffe fanboy. You have no proof the Go-229 ever flew in combat, or the Do-335, or that the Bf-109Z ever flew at all. So dont give me this P-38L Late BS since over 3000 were built with the Allison F-30 engines rated from the factory at 1725HP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Arsch Loch.

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2005, 06:40 PM
Thanks Gibb. When I saw your first post, I knew you were reminded of something.

Searching for Luft46 website won't work for those who don't know it exists. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

For flight sims to grow again in this New Era of Microsoft-Free flight simming, Newbies must eventually far outnumber the current small number of crusty bitter angry Old Timer Noobs, so we must make room for the Newbies, even if we are Proud of our Niche Status.

Best Quote, ever... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

"Enough 1946 Luft planes, even if I did make two of them." ~Gibbage

Kurfurst__
08-27-2005, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
So dont give me this P-38L Late BS since over 3000 were built with the Allison F-30 engines rated from the factory at 1725HP.

Uhum. Of course they were Gib. We have threads full of the overwhelming evidence about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



My appologies for sounding harsh. It just seems that Luft46 is posted here at least once every other month. Do a search and you would be amazed at how often its referanced here.

Your rage is totally understandable. I can barely find words to describe my feelings that a link is posted to a website that covers aircraft projects. And they do it at least ONCE in a month! It`s intolerable, what`s next, gas chambers?

p1ngu666
08-27-2005, 07:40 PM
both had short careers. 109z probably flew, very briefly in combat. admitidly that combat was getting hit by a bomb.

go229, again brief combat perhaps, when factory was overrun.

design prototypes interest me, cos they show ideas, different thinking etc

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2005, 08:23 PM
pingu::
both had short careers. 109z probably flew, very briefly in combat. admitidly that combat was getting hit by a bomb.

go229, again brief combat perhaps, when factory was overrun.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

That made my day.

TAGERT.
08-27-2005, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
go229, again brief combat perhaps, when factory was overrun. ROTFL! And I think a few Do335s got straifed while sitting on the runway with no fuel! ROTFL!

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2005, 08:52 PM
109Z flew briefly, after being hit by a bomb. Go-229 also saw combat, when the factory was overrun." ~pingu666


Remember that P-51H article...I found it in cache...


<span class="ev_code_yellow">The Mustang was 50 mph faster than the Luftwaffe</span>. The Mustang had between 3000 and 4000 lbs. more weight, and so was able to outdive either German plane. The tightness of its turns were much better than the Me-109 and slightly better than the FW-190. The aircraft, which was to become the best piston engined fighter ever produced, took World War II by storm. Being accounted for 4950 of the 10,720 air combat victories claimed by the USAAF in Europe and 4131 of the 8160 ground strafing claims. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Jagdklinger
08-27-2005, 09:16 PM
This thread made my day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Leave Gibbage Alone! Mad Gibbage wants to forget about that -- modeling the Go-229 External model (and YP-80).


"Enough 1946 Luft planes, even if I did make two of them." ~Gibbage


Your rage is totally understandable. I can barely find words to describe my feelings that a link is posted to a website that covers aircraft projects. And they do it at least ONCE in a month! It`s intolerable, what`s next, gas chambers?

Poor old Gibbage.....
I deeply regret missing his un-edited original post. Some prime sig material, methinks.


both had short careers. 109z probably flew, very briefly in combat. admitidly that combat was getting hit by a bomb.

go229, again brief combat perhaps, when factory was overrun.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Oh well, at least they saw more service than the P-38 'Late', whatever the heck that is...

LEXX_Luthor
08-27-2005, 09:27 PM
Mad Gibbage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-27-2005, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Luftwaffe_109:
This is a curious aircraft, the Bachem Ba 349 "Natter" which apparently flew on a couple of manned test missions.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/bachemba.htm

There is a real Natter at the museum in Munich. Strange looking craft. I'm glad I wasn't the pilot.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-27-2005, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Badsight.:
i dont think you will find anyone claiming the Bf-Z or Go-229 to have a combat history

because that would be rediculous

I think it's common knowledge that the Go-229 flew only in tests. The 109-z never flew. The Do-335 did fly but there are no confirmed reports of combat. IIRC, it was spotted by the Allies in the air. Other than that, never heard anything else. Is this right or wrong?

Fritz

p1ngu666
08-28-2005, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
i dont think you will find anyone claiming the Bf-Z or Go-229 to have a combat history

because that would be rediculous

I think it's common knowledge that the Go-229 flew only in tests. The 109-z never flew. The Do-335 did fly but there are no confirmed reports of combat. IIRC, it was spotted by the Allies in the air. Other than that, never heard anything else. Is this right or wrong?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

clostermans wingman may have fired a burst at it very long range, thats it as far as combat that im aware of. abit tenuous really.

there was probably fights over do335, like we see here on the intarweb forums http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2005, 09:06 AM
This has got to be one of the silliest arguments I've seen.

Many are pi$$ed because the YP80 is allowed in servers when the Me262 isn't. The YP80 never saw combat in WW2 but the Me262 did. But that's not the reason the Me262 is banned. The excuse is that having 2 jet engines causes a lot of lag. If this is the case, then the reason is good enough.

But what about the He162? Did it see combat? If so, then it shouldn't be banned since it only has one engine.

Now, Gibbage has nothing to do with the plane
sets in the servers. Gibbage is one of the guyz that makes this great sim possible.

Why the heck are you guyz and Gibbage arguing about this? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Gibbage is silly for arguing and his posts are less then helpful or even worth reading.(On this topic). I know you guyz are just giving him a hard time but think about this; he is a modeller. You can catch more flies with honey and we all desire more a/c to be modelled. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

As for the problem in the servers I see two possibilities;

1) Choose another server. There are many servers that do have fair and historical planesets.

2) If it really bothers you that much, complain to whomever decides the plane sets.

After months of seeing this argument pop up in various threads, I am reminded of the ladies auxilary arguing over apple pie at a bake sale.

Suggestion: **** or get off the pot.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2005, 09:10 AM
Gibbage, would you please make a list of all the planes you modelled or contributed to the modelling.

Fritz

Gibbage1
08-28-2005, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Gibbage, would you please make a list of all the planes you modelled or contributed to the modelling.

Fritz

PBN-1 Nomad (PBY Catalina) AI only.
P-80
Go-229
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IX
P-38 J, L
P-63
Cw-21b
Initial work on Do-335 that was completed by another artist.

I also orginized the 3rd party modelers on Netwings.org and helped too many projects to list.

Also, list ONE server that is allowed to fly. I have yet to ever find one thats not an arcade server.

Pirschjaeger
08-28-2005, 07:28 PM
Contributions from Gibbage:

PBN-1 Nomad (PBY Catalina) AI only.
P-80
Go-229
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IX
P-38 J, L
P-63
Cw-21b
Initial work on Do-335 that was completed by another artist.

He also orginized the 3rd party modelers on Netwings.org and helped too many projects to list.

Obviously there is something for everyone, no matter what our tastes in a/c are. I'd also like to mention that the final word on what is modelled or not comes from Oleg.

Let's not bite the hands that feed us.

Fritz

p1ngu666
08-28-2005, 08:01 PM
hows the pby getting along?
think i slipped a few dollars up u ages ago to go towards it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

u was changing it for ms2004 last i heard.

he162 saw combat, not much tho. proper air combat too, probably got blasted on the ground aswell

me163 too saw combat, even in its intended role of intercepting PR planes, amusingly it was so fast the PR would dodge about till it ran out of fuel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Gibbage1
08-28-2005, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
hows the pby getting along?
think i slipped a few dollars up u ages ago to go towards it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

u was changing it for ms2004 last i heard.



Still on my to-do list. Im right now finishing up a few small projects that has delayed me and I am getting a nice team togeather and ready for the PBY. I am currently building a full detail P-38J for FS2004 so I can get a feel for modeling in FS2004. Once thats done, I will contenue my work on the PBY.

This is my P-38 for FS2004. http://www.gibbageart.com/files/p-38-24.jpg

Badsight.
08-28-2005, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
. But that's not the reason the Me262 is banned. The excuse is that having 2 jet engines causes a lot of lag. If this is the case, then the reason is good enough. the only truth in this is in the forums

its just a joke really

Jagdklinger
08-29-2005, 05:54 AM
PBN-1 Nomad (PBY Catalina) AI only.
P-80
Go-229
Spitfire Vb
Spitfire IX
P-38 J, L
P-63
Cw-21b
Initial work on Do-335 that was completed by another artist.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Great job. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif It's great to see skilled people so selflessly contributing to the sim. I remain a fan....

.....and concede to you the Go-229 (and your misguided devotion to the P38 (*cough* fantasyplane*cough*) L http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.England
08-29-2005, 06:09 AM
If what the great O has written about user made planes `MAY` be imported into B.O.B. then I cant wait to have a go at building some of the more unusual early war stuff!

BTW, I for one think that the idea of two on-line rooms (one for user made plane sets, one for Oleg approved plane sets) will be a good thing for this new Sim. If you don't like `UFOs` stick to the Oleg approved plane set room.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
08-29-2005, 07:05 AM
looks really sweet gib http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

fighter_966
09-15-2005, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
nice site http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

btw i like this fighter, Messerschmitt P 1101

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/240-0359.jpg

it looks alot like our (Swedish) J29 Tunnan, btw my favourite fighter after the 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/tun15.jpg

[EDIT] i changed the me pick

MeP.1101 looks like Bell x-5 to me ,and
Tunnan looks like a Focke Wulf Ta183 and that would be nice plane to have in this game( source
Luftwaffe secret projects fighters 1939-1945)

Bearcat99
09-15-2005, 08:20 AM
LOL... I thouhght this was another one of those "OoOOOoo the German planes fly like X plane UFOs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif" threads.. LMAO I am glad it wasnt. Good stuff there...

Kocur_
09-15-2005, 08:32 AM
MeP.1101 looks like Bell x-5 to me

Not surprising http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif P.1101 was captured by US Army and later used by Bell to create X-5.

Kocur_
09-15-2005, 08:35 AM
There is a real Natter at the museum in Munich. Strange looking craft. I'm glad I wasn't the pilot.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Good thinking - the one and only Natter pilot didnt survive first flight...

fighter_966
09-15-2005, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by F0_Dark_P:
nice site http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

btw i like this fighter, Messerschmitt P 1101

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/240-0359.jpg

it looks alot like our (Swedish) J29 Tunnan, btw my favourite fighter after the 109 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/tun15.jpg

[EDIT] i changed the me pick

Me p.1101 looks like a Bell x-45 to me and
Focke Wulf 183 looks like Tunnan (source Luftwaffe secret projects fighters 1939-1945)
that Fw would be uber plane to havw in game!!

Kocur_
09-15-2005, 08:47 AM
The YP80 never saw combat in WW2 but the Me262 did.

Sometime ago I heard that two YP-80 were sent to Italy in spring 1945. They reportedly flew patrols over friendly territory to intercept Ar-234s. I posted that notion, but someone replied Ar-234s were not used over Italy. But they were! On 14 march 1945 three Ar-234 B-2 of "Kommando Hecht" were moved to Udine airfield to recon Allied ground forces. One of them was shot down by...P-51D on 11 april 1945.
So if in fact those YP-80 were in Italy and flying patrols - that would be WW2 combat carrer!

GR142_Astro
09-15-2005, 11:11 AM
I find it funny that so many people say the 262 is "banned" online. That is not the case at all. Once a map rotates into a 262 planeset, a couple of things happen. One, a number of players suddenly switch to blue to fly the 262 for the novelty. Two, a good percentage of red players simply leave to find better things to do with their time than to fruitlessly chase around vastly faster aircraft for an hour or two. Try it sometime, it isn't that much fun.

I've surprised and shot down numerous 262s, but it's not all that thrilling in the end.