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06-15-2007, 08:32 PM
Nutz -


06-15-2007, 08:46 PM
I always enjoyed reading his quotes.

06-15-2007, 08:54 PM

I believe this is his paint scheme...
In his memory then.

d/l link

...skin is made by FAFL_Pavlac and me.

06-15-2007, 09:13 PM
:-( He will most definitely be missed.

06-15-2007, 09:28 PM

06-15-2007, 09:49 PM
It always breaks my heart to see another one go. ~S~ and be at peace.

06-15-2007, 10:04 PM
RIP One of the hero's....

06-15-2007, 10:57 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif All of my hero's are dying.
The world is now a much darker place.
S!~ Sir. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

06-16-2007, 12:13 AM

A tough as nails fighter pilot, a leader, an innovator, and a mentor to
the young pilots in his Fighter Squadrons. The USAF and the rest of us lost a quality individual.



Here are some of the links to his more famous dogfights on youtube:

Scat Attack (picture of later model P38)

P38 Lighting (Scat III) vs 109

<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITRLk9b9AcY%5B/URL" TARGET=_blank>

Olds and his wingman both shoot down 2 109s each, then Olds does a high speed dive from high altitude to help a P51 and enters compressibility.
Olds regains control from compressibility in the low altitude dense air
and is jumped by a 109 on the deck. Olds makes a max brake hard turn to port and forces the 109 to overshoot. Olds levels his wings out and unloads on the 109.


Operation Bolo



Suckered Mig21s into an engagement with F4s

"MiG Sweep"

Situation: In a McDonnell F-4C, Col. Robin Olds is about to roll opposite a North Vietnamese MiG-21's turn and split S into a missile-firing position for the first of his four MiG kills.

On 2 January 1967, Operation Bolo specifically targeted the 15 MiG-21s then serving the North Vietnamese. A force of F-4 Phantoms masquerading as F-105 Thunderchiefs, normally used in the bombing roll, successfully drew the MiGs up to intercept. The 8th Tactical Fighter Wing F-4s shot down seven.

The painting documents the destruction of a MiG-21 by then 8th TFW Commander, Colonel Robin Olds. The viewer can clearly see pilot and back-seater, both wing tips, nose and tail, all control inputs, the empty missile stations from a previous unsuccessful engagement, and the important detail of the F-105 electronic jamming pod carried for this mission.

The greater distances between opponents, characteristic of the modern jet air-to-air combat, are apparent as Robin uses the vertical, rolling opposite and inside the MiG's turn to gain firing position for the first of Robin's four Vietnam War victories.


06-16-2007, 12:18 AM

Try again --links were bad.

Posted Fri June 15 2007 23:13 Hide Post

A tough as nails fighter pilot, a leader, an innovator, and a mentor to
the young pilots in his Fighter Squadrons. The USAF and the rest of us lost a quality individual.


Here are some of the links to his more famous dogfights on youtube:

P38 Lighting (Scat III) vs 109


Olds and his wingman both shoot down 2 109s each, then Olds does a high speed dive from high altitude to help a P51 and enters compressibility.Olds regains control from compressibility in the low altitude dense air and is jumped by a 109 on the deck. Olds makes a max brake hard turn to port and forces the 109 to overshoot. Olds levels his wings out and unloads on the 109.

Operation Bolo

F4s vs Mig21s



06-16-2007, 01:46 AM
I'm glad he was there when we needed him, and I'm glad he lived a long life.

I didn't know much about his WW2 career, but I remember him best for Operation Bolo.


06-16-2007, 02:25 AM
Embued thoroughly with the spirit of aggression. Some say he never made his last claims in Vietnam because he was determined to stay on as a fighting pilot/wing commander as long as he could---he knew if he made "ace" in Nam he'd be sent home immediately. What a guy. RIP.

06-16-2007, 02:32 AM
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Maj. Robin Olds, 434th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-14426 L2-W "Scat #5"¯. Crew Chief on L2-W was S/Sgt. Glen A Wold with Carl O Ayers as assistant c.c. It is not certain who is who in the photo and the additional crew member is most likely the armorer.

Photo: Fred Hayner via Danny Morris

Maj. (now Brig.Gen.) Robin Olds. 434th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-##### L2-W "Scat VI". Artwork by Fred Hayner.

Photo: Lt. Stotts

Maj. (now Brig.Gen.) Robin Olds. 434th Fighter Squadron. P-51D 44-##### L2-W "Scat VI". Original artwork by Fred Hayner.

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06-16-2007, 06:32 AM
Something is amiss with the Dogfights episode about Robin Olds. Mustangs didn't fly in Europe in August 1943.

06-16-2007, 07:34 AM
well according to wiki which I know inst the best source the B-C started arriving in the ETO with the 8th in Aug 43 which coincides with Robins account for that day. Aug 23, 1943

someone with more knowledge on the subject will chime in I'm sure

06-16-2007, 08:30 AM

Hya Cuda !

Olds was still flying P38s well into 1944:

"In Scat III, Olds shot down two Fw-190s following a low-level bridge-bombing mission to Montmirail, France, on August 14. Eleven days later he and his wingman became separated from the group on an escort mission to Berlin, and attacked a large gaggle of Bf-109s, estimated at 50 or more in number. Despite severe battle damage to his own plane, including loss of a side window of its canopy, Olds shot down two during the dogfight and another on the way home to become an ace.[22][23] <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">He made eight claims while flying the P-38 </span> (five of which are credited by the Air Force Historical Research Agency) and was originally credited as the top-scoring P-38 pilot of the ETO.[24]"

The 479th FG converted to the P-51 Mustang in mid-September and Olds scored his first kill in his new Scat V on October 6. Promoted to major on February 9, 1945, he claimed his seventh victory southeast of Magdeburg, Germany the same day, downing another Bf-109. On February 14, he claimed three victories, two Bf-109s and an Fw-190, but the latter was later changed to a "probable".[25]

His final aerial kill occurred on April 7, 1945, when Olds in Scat VI led the 479th Fighter Group on a mission escorting B-24s bombing an ammunition dump in Lüneburg, Germany. The engagement marked the only combat appearance of Sonderkommando Elbe, a Luftwaffe geschwader formed to ram Allied bombers.[26][27] South of Bremen, Olds noticed contrails popping up above a bank of cirrus clouds, of aircraft flying above and to the left of the bombers. For five minutes these bogies paralleled the bomber stream while the 479th held station. Turning to investigate, Olds saw pairs of Me 262s turn towards and dive on the Liberators. After damaging one of the jets in a chase meant to lure the fighter escort away from the bombers, the Mustangs returned to the bomber stream. Olds observed an Me 109 of Sonderkommando Elbe attack the bombers and shoot down a B-24, pursued it through the formation, and shot it down.[28]

Olds achieved the bulk of his strafing credits the following week in attacks on Lübeck Blankensee and Tarnewitz airdromes on April 13, and Reichersburg airfield in Austria on April 16, when he destroyed six Luftwaffe planes on the ground. He later reflected on the hazards of such missions:

"I was hit by flak as I was pulling out of a dive-strafing pass on an airfield called Tarnewitz, up on the Baltic. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Five P-51s made a pass on the airdrome that April day. I was the only one to return home...</span>When I tested the stall characteristics of my wounded bird over our home airfield, I found it quit flying at a little over 175 mph indicated and rolled violently into the dead wing (note: the right flap had been blown away and two large holes knocked in the same wing). What to do? Bailout seemed the logical response, but here's where sentiment got in the way of reason. That airplane (note: "Scat VI") had taken me through a lot and I was damned if I was going to give up on her...why the bird and I survived the careening, bouncing and juttering ride down the length of the field, I guess I'll never know.[29]"

Olds had not only risen in rank to field grade but was <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">given command of his squadron on March 25, less than two years out of West Point and at only 22 years of age.</span> By the end of his combat tour he was officially credited with 12 German planes shot down and 11.5 others destroyed on the ground. [23]

Pretty amazing to go from WWII prop ace to VietNam F4 Phantoms and missle kills. The story holds that Olds could have been jet ace several times over but knew he would be sent home as soon as he got his 5th kill.



Robin Olds' ribbons as they appeared on his uniform at his retirement in 1973.
From top, and from left to right: Command pilot. Row 1: Air Force Cross; Air Force Distinguished Service Medal. Row 2: Silver Star, three oak leaf clusters; Legion of Merit; Distinguished Flying Cross, five oak leaf clusters. Row 3: Air Medal, with 39 oak leaf clusters. Row 4: Air Force Commendation Medal; American Defense Service Medal; European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal. Row 5: World War II Victory Medal; National Defense Service Medal; Vietnam Service Medal. Row 6: Distinguished Flying Cross (United Kingdom); Croix de Guerre with Palm (France); Vietnam Air Force Distinguished Service Order. Row 7: Vietnam Air Force Meritorious Service Medal; Vietnam Air Gallantry Medal with Gold Wings; Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal.[46]

06-16-2007, 08:43 AM
For Woofiedog, this is a post from a friend of mine...

I was just a tad young for WW II, but did deploy to Korea in 1950 with B-29s. and was Col. Robin Olds Armament Line Chief when he got his four MiGs in Vietnam. I do have contact with him from time to time.

Probably the 98th's most difficult mission was the 1 August 1943 Low Level mission with B-24 liberators to Ploesti. "Operation Tidal Wave" Five medal of Honor's were awarded for this one mission.

You don't say where in Tennessee you are located, however I served a short time at McGhee-Tyson at Knoxville in a F-86D squadron.

I have been to Midd*****ro, KY several times to see the P-38 ( Glacier Girl) there

The 98th reunion is in El Paso this year. We (98th Vets) will be special guest of the USAF THUNDERBIRDS there

We accept SERIOUSLY interested individuals as Associate members of the 98th. Details are on the "Membership page" of our WEB www.pyramidiers.com (http://www.pyramidiers.com)

Keep in touch

Herb Harper

06-16-2007, 08:52 AM
He was THE paradigmatic fighter pilot. He made the fighter community what it is today and is a role model for not only fighter pilots with his 17 confirmed claims, but he totally exemplifies a true leader and officer in a world taken over by shoe clerks and yes-men.

06-16-2007, 09:50 AM
Fair weather and blue skies, Gen Olds.

We have Scat VII, the original airframe, in storage to restore to flying condition at a later date.

07-06-2007, 02:36 AM
I got this description of Gen. Olds' memorial service from a friend of a friend in the warbird community. I've deleted the author's name not out of ambitions of plagarism, but out of privacy. I didn't know Gen. Olds, but from what I've read, he wouldn't have minded that this rememberance is posted for general viewing. There's some good stories here that highlight the man's character, and good examples of how to lead. RIP.

Memorial Service for BGen Robin Olds, USAFA, 30 June 2007

Yes, indeed. JB Stone played a significant role at Robin's Memorial Service. He delivered one of the eulogies at the USAFA Chapel. He told of the first time he meet Col. Olds, who as the new Wing Commander of the 8th TFW, called a meeting of all the pilots. At the time JB had about 60 or 70 missions North, had an engine shot out from under him and several bullet holes here and there on some pretty hairy missions. Robin told the pilots, "I'm your new boss. I'll be flying your wing for a couple of weeks and at the end of that time, I'll be better than any of you." JB muttered under his breath, "We'll see." It came out a little louder than JB intended. Robin heard it and immediately fixed JB with those steely eyes, and repeated his statement forcefully again. And JB said Robin did exactly as he had said. He was a warrior who would fearlessly go where others feared to tread. And JB was later picked to help Robin plan and execute Operation Bolo, wherein F-4s masqueraded as bomb laden, F-105s to lure Migs to come up and attack them. Seven Migs went down in flames. The Military Channel has run the episode several times titled as "Ambush" in the Dogfight series.

Robin's oldest daughter, Susan lead off the remembrances with stories of being a teenager living at the Academy while Robin was Commandant of Cadets for 3 years. Robin taught her to drive on the Academy grounds and ride horses at the equestrian center. It was okay to date more than one cadet at a time because no one would dare do anything untoward with the Commandant's daughter.

General Ralph Eberhart was a senior Cadet Wing Commander when Robin took over. He told the famous incident of Robin's first meeting with the Cadet Corps. Robin had been directed to lose the handlebar mustache - his trademark as leader of the "Wolfpack." On a given signal at the end of Robin's speech, 4000 cadets whipped out and donned black-paper handlebar mustaches and began stomping and shouting, Olds, Olds, OLDS !!! Robin rose to his full height, jaws clenched eyes blazing - then extended his long middle finger and flipped them all a big sweeping bird - with a huge grin on his face.

BGen Bob "Earthquake" Titus spoke of how Robin transformed the 8th Wing into the 'Wolfpack". "Go get them, men.", from the Leadership was replaced by "FOLLOW ME !". Deadwood was sent home, and tactics changed. Base services were available 24/7 to the men he was sending into combat 24/7. No more shutting off the hot water at midnight, or closing the bar. He told of a pilot, I believe named Conway, who while gleefully celebrating a successful mission proceed to rearrange or destroy some of the O'Club furnishings. He was ordered to report to Col. Olds office at 0800 hours. He was there promptly. Robin however was dreading the chewing out he was going to have to administer for something he himself had been guilty of many times. He braced himself, put on his sternest visage and entered his office at 0815 to find Conway standing at attention. Conway saluted smartly and said, "Sir, you're late." That cracked Robin up. The damage to the Club got paid somehow and another tale was added to the lore of Robin Olds.

Capt Jack McEncroe, USMC told of his close friendship with Robin living near in Steamboat Springs. 30 years of watching Robin's God-Awful backswing on the golf course, 30 years of skiing through the trees in fresh powder up to their knees, 30 years of listening to Robin telling the Cross-Eyed Bull story.

Verne Lundquist, Hall of Fame Sportscaster tried to demonstrate Robin's backswing, which featured a couple of contorted pauses on the way up, then a mighty downswing. On one occasion the ball carried to the green, bounced a couple of times and went into the cup. "You just got a hole in one! It went into the cup!", shouted Verne. "Well, that's the point isn't it.", said Robin. When Robin was selected for induction into the College football Hall of Fame as an All American on offense and defense at West Point, he asked Verne, "Is this a big deal? Do I have to go?" Verne told him Yes, and he went and made a gracious acceptance speech. On another occasion he and Robin were being harassed by some obnoxious guy who wanted to pick a fight with Robin. Robin stood up, squared his shoulders and said, "I've killed more people than you will ever know, for less reason than you are giving me right now! NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP! Verne told of another experience with Robin.

They were touring Germany and stopped at a tavern where there were some pictures of Luftwaffe aircraft on the wall. When they asked the proprietor about them he said he had been a pilot, but had been shot down. He and Robin started comparing notes on location, time of day cloud formation, tactics, etc., and after several drinks they were convinced that indeed, it was Robin who had shot him down. A few months later, Verne and Robin were watching some of Robins gun camera film being shown on TV and Robin suddenly exclaimed, "That's the guy!" As Verne said, "If it's not true, it should be."

Christina Olds and her daughter Jennifer Newman wrapped up the remembrances. Christina remembered her Dad dropping her off at the Arnold Hall rec center for a date with some Cadet. Dad said he'd be back at 2200 to pick her up. She called him about 2000and asked him to come pick her up - the Cadet didn't show because of some infraction. Christina figured he ended up in bombers someplace - certainly not in fighters. When Robin's health started failing last February, Chris quit her job and moved to Steamboat to take care of her Dad. She took him on long drives through the mountains with a picnic lunch to share at some scenic spot.

Jennifer told of her Grandfather helping her set out a bowl of salad on the snow covered porch to feed Santa's reindeer. Sure enough, the next morning the salad was gone and reindeer tracks were in the snow all over the porch. A long time later, she came across some wooden reindeer feet that Robin had carved to make those tracks.

Christina said that it was only in his last week or so that Robin started to get really tired. He still would tell those who called that he was just fine, just getting old. She was with him when he drifted off to sleep peacefully and after a few minutes, drew his last breath.

Chris orchestrated every detail of the funeral service, the flyby, the graveside service, of course with help from Robin's friends and splendid cooperation and coordination from the Academy Staff and the hotel where the reception and following Fighter Pilot Wake was held.

The flyby consisted of aircraft in trail at 30 second intervals. First a T-33, second another T-33, third a P-51 Mustang, fourth a Mig 17, fifth a flight of four F-16 from the CO ANG, and sixth a flight of four F-4's.

The F-4's, one from Tyndall and three from Holloman, are actually drones to be used in weapons testing. But for this occasion, they were flown by pilots and led by LtCol "ET" Murphy of Tyndall. "ET" is also a member of our "Aspenosium" group of active duty and retired fighter pilots who get together for skiing, partying and presentations by those involved in fighter development, weapons, and tactics. Robin was our leader and will be sorely missed.

The Missing Man formation was slightly modified for this special event. As they approached the cemetery in wingtip formation, "ET" flying lead as Wolf One, as Robin was known, initiated a sharp pullup at just the right spot so that he was going straight up out of sight, directly over the gravesite. It was spectacular and the most well executed maneuver of that type I have ever seen.

One final note reinforces the fact that Christina is without a doubt her father's daughter. It involved the presentation of the flag to Robin's survivors: Susan, Chris and Jennifer. The 1st flag was presented to Susan, the eldest. The 2nd to Jennifer, the youngest. The 3rd was destined for Chris, but she had directed the presiding four star General to present it to Col. J.B. Stone, Robin's comrade-in-arms. This unselfish and completely unexpected act, deeply touched JB and all of us who understood the bond between these two men. It is the kind of thing Robin would have done. Chris did her father proud.

07-06-2007, 06:13 AM
Blottogg... Thank You for posting the article.

07-06-2007, 06:38 AM
~S~ Sad to see him go, but thanks for posting all this on him, greatly appreciated.

07-06-2007, 11:12 AM
=SALUTE= Sir and God Bless. As sad as his departure is the historical information in this post is great, thanks all.

07-06-2007, 11:48 AM
<span class="ev_code_RED">SALUTE</span>!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif God Bless Gen. Robin Olds!