View Full Version : Ultralights?

02-09-2005, 09:51 PM
Anyone fly 'em? Any comments on the L'il Buzzard?

02-09-2005, 09:51 PM
Anyone fly 'em? Any comments on the L'il Buzzard?

02-09-2005, 10:21 PM
they are really cool, i allways wanted a cert for them, much more fun then a shut in cessna, here you got the wind in your face and you are one with the environment

what about this D-Day marked variant?

EDIT: and... amed with missiles http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

02-10-2005, 04:00 AM
On those ultralights you realy feel like flying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif unlike the Bus ( 747 ) and cessna

02-10-2005, 04:57 AM
Miss-Behavin was an ultralight pilot, I wonder where she went to.

02-10-2005, 04:59 AM
I am getting the cert. Sure, they are fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

02-10-2005, 07:22 AM
Did some Hang-gliding off the sand dunes at Kitty Hawk, NC .... As a pilot I keep pulling back to go up .... wrong thing to do in a Hang-glider, a mouth full of sand every time! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

<span class="ev_code_PINK">Its a BLAST!!!!!!!</span>

02-10-2005, 09:56 AM
I would love to get certified to fly ultralights. It's much cheaper than a private pilots license and quicker too. You're exposed to the elements and you stay low and slow...I love it. The ultralights are cheap too - they start out at a couple grand.

But you have to live near an area that you are allowed to fly ultralights and unfortunately I don't think I am too close to one.

Would be great fun though.

02-10-2005, 01:54 PM
No licence requier get 10 hours with a fligh teacher on dual seats then go on.

02-10-2005, 08:24 PM
The best part with Ultralights is you get to fix them your self,Duct tape, home hardware bolts,chicken wire,non wired bolts for a pusher engine going threw the prop.
They are nice freedom machines,but the lack of training can kill you.

02-11-2005, 03:32 AM
WW1 fans check out the ultralight Eindecker at www.airdromeaeroplanes.com (http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com) . Looks like fun, doesn't it?

02-11-2005, 06:18 AM
Lots and lots of people get killed flying ultra lights.

02-11-2005, 11:59 AM
A lot more in cars ..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

You sure know how to bum out a thread!

02-11-2005, 12:11 PM
Baldie, I know you make your own sticks and I seem to remember that you're mechanically-inclined for some reason, but please be careful.

I have made about 500 skydives and 50 BASE jumps. I don't know how to estimate the time accurately, but I flew radio controlled models zealously for years. I have a pilots license and 100 hours in the Grumman Tiger.

Of those "credentials," the part that's most significant is the "riding under a parachute near the ground" part. There is a skill and a feel to "reading" air near the ground that is not terribly hard to acquire but is, IMHO, very important to staying alive while aviating. A ram-air parachute is a superior device with which to aviate compared to an ultra light, hands down, 24/7/365. Of course there is the little matter of needing an airplane and a sober pilot to start the process, but I would suggest skydiving as a much safer way to learn to fly near the ground. (Flying your body also has its own appeal).

There will be things that'll happen to you under a ram-air that will be a little disconcerting but not truly threatening. You'll get a chance to "feel" it without getting hurt or worse.

I have seen cornstalks, under canopy, at 2,500 feet on hot summer days. Seriously. That image is burned in my retina.

I have needed every bit of juice from that 180hp engine in the Tiger to maintain a climb or glidepath when near the small ridges like the Blue Ridge in Virginia. Even when its just me and half tanks. I weigh about 140lbs and for what it is, its an extremely capable airplane.

On final approach into Manassas field during flight training, a "roller" from miles away nearly forced the C-152 into the ground 100ft short of the runway.

Then there's the matter of being current. I am an out-of-practice expert. I can fly in my sleep but I wouldn't get in an ultralight until I'd spent a season flying R/C hard and became very comfotable sitting in my rig's saddle. When you forget a maintenance item and crash your R/C plane (I seem to remember you do fly r/c) you need to think "I can't do that with the ultralight, ever."

After losing "the edge" as a skydiver I visited New River Gorge Bridge to partake in the fun. I did a "low hook" landing with the intention of just cruising to a comfortable stop on the rocky bank but mistimed by about 6" and broke my tailbone against the point of a mostly submerged rock.

Ultralights also have a bit of a "coffin corner" in the way they fly. The difference between stall speed and top speed isn't very great relative to Mother Nature. Add up just the wrong combinations and all of a sudden you're not flying anymore.

Statistic. You can be one. Gentle reminder.

Be careful.

02-11-2005, 03:08 PM
About 10 years ago I flew ultralights for 3 years. Became certified 1st year. Obviously it is very fair weather flying, but it is the closest thing to being a bird there is. Sort of like flying in a lawn chair. Flew a Maxair Drifter. This is a pusher prop tail dragger. You are located in front of the wing. When you look down between your legs it goes ALL the way down. It was even fun just crow hopping around a grass strip. But any type of flying takes knowing the regulations, concentration and being constantly observant. I gave it up mainly as it took time away from my kids and the thought was there that, yes, I could easily kill myself in one of these. I'm glad I did it. When I went up as a passenger latter in a small plane, it felt like a tank. The next time I had those same feelings of "really" flying again was getting off the ground in FB. And I can crash all I want.

02-11-2005, 03:29 PM
This is as close as I've gotten: http://www.attitudeaviation.com/images/20020707-002-Cub-small.JPG

pop open the windows, cruise at 50 mph down low in the Sierra-Nevada foothills. . . very fun, and the experience of just putting around smelling the pines below, no place to get to in a hurry, no need to worry about calculating power settings, navigating airspace or talking to anyone. . . ultra-lights take that all to the max. . . of course you can't enjoy that freedom without knowing how to enjoy it safely, and without compromising the airspace, or pissing off people/animals on the ground. . .so while you may not talk to anyone, and you may not punch through any airspace, you still need to know at least enough to steer well clear of it. In many regards the tolerance for error is lower than most GA flying, you have no altitude to carry you to a suitable engine off landing site, no radar services to guide you if needed, often no coms either, very little power to get you out of a jam, mostly unregulated training and maintenance, and close proximity to terrain all conspire to make this a potentially risky endeavor.

Only aircraft design specific comment I'll make is that I really like somethign set up so that you don't have the wing right overehead, a little after really opens it up a lot, in particualr when flying low. I never really enjoy being right down on the deck in a high wing unless the wing is aft of my vertical line of sight. That is an interesting design, but I might look for something with a tail out back to shift the CG that way so that the pilot could move out front a bit.

02-11-2005, 05:34 PM
Hi! Baldie, Regarding the little buzzer you will find all the info on www.ultralightnews.com (http://www.ultralightnews.com) it is the builder site. I met Mr.loveman during the last UPAC convention in Ontario, he's been part of the UL scene for quite a while and he did fly a lot of airframe but unfortunately i can't comment on the flight characteristic of this particular aircraft as i don't know anyone who flies it. Yes there is a lot of people getting injured in them and 90% of the time it is a pilot error, these aircrafts are simply built but are AIRCRAFT none the less, treat it as so. Good maintenance policy and knowing the limit of your machine will procure numerous hours of enjoyment, it is all about affordable aviation. good luck!

02-11-2005, 08:28 PM
It looks like a fun design. The price is good too.

I'm considering the sport pilot license: I don't plan to do much with it, so a ppl is a big fat waste of money.

The sport pilot license seems a perfect fit: I'd never do more than a day-trip in ideal conditions anyways.

I'm also considering the STOL CH 701... I've read a lot of good things about that plane. It all depends on the price.

02-12-2005, 09:40 AM
Baldie don't forget that the one price is the kit without the engine. Just wanted to point that out in case you missed it like I did the first time.

Oh man those look like fun but after seeing this picture: http://www.ultralightnews.ca/lilbuzzard/images/fuelstep.jpg
I don't think I'll be fitting in one of those any time soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

02-12-2005, 04:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
On those ultralights you realy feel like flying http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif unlike the Bus ( 747 ) and cessna <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL, how do you compare passenger jets to a tiny little Cessna?

Have you ever flown a Cessna 150 on a day with sustained winds higher than 7 kts? Don't tell me you don't "feel the flying". :P