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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:31 AM
I'm thinking about investing in a set of good Rudder Pedals. Does anyone have any suggestions?



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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:31 AM
I'm thinking about investing in a set of good Rudder Pedals. Does anyone have any suggestions?



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michapma
08-05-2003, 10:36 AM
I have CH Products USB Pro, they're more than I wanted to pay but well done and rugged, and I love having them. Definitely go with USB. Alternatively you can build your own if you're into it.

Cheers,
Mike

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Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
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Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
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Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:56 AM
I've been using CH Products USB pedals. I thought I might kick
them to death in a few months intense use but they seem to be very tough indeed!

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:10 PM
Ditto, I would be lost without them. Love My CH Usb's. The precision of the control is unreal. Give it a couple of weeks to get adjusted and you will wonder how you ever did without them. You will get closer and shoot straiter. Did I mention I love mine?

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:13 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 12:56 PM
Ok, CH Products USB Pro.

Love 'em.

Brilliant,

Make a difference!

Tully__
08-05-2003, 01:06 PM
CH or Simped.

Simped can be hard to find outside Europe I've heard.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:32 PM
I like the CH Pro Pedals usb myself (toe brakes rule, made taxiing the B-17 2 a lot easier.), only replaced the CH pedals from before because they were serial. My only beef is I wish they were a little wider. Thrustmaster used to make a set years ago that had a wider stance but they were double the cost.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:44 PM
Yep, CH Products Pro Pedals USB, the best way to go, I, myself, me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 01:45 PM
Iuse CH as well...very well made. Got them here... http://www.provantage.com/

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 02:05 PM
Simpeds from Hofmannn

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 02:19 PM
CH Pro Pedals USB here - very solid. Have never failed me.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:09 PM
I'm a cheap skate .... I use my Logitech MOMO Force pedals for rudder control heh!

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:24 PM
CH Pro USB Pedals here.

Only just got them, but they feel indestructible. The pedals pivot backwards and forwards just like in an a/c, and you can press them down for braking. It took me a good few days to overcome my MS FF2 taught desire to twist the gip for rudder /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:28 PM
I don't have wads of cash to spend so I managed to pick up a Thrustmaster wheel and pedals for 15.

The wheel is in the cupboard and I use the pedals.

The improvement in my game was immense, not having to twist the stick helps so much.

Trouble is I sometimes forget that I have a foot jammed down on a pedal in my excitement, but that happens in my car a well!



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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:29 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- CH Pro USB Pedals here.
-
- Only just got them, but they feel indestructible.
- The pedals pivot backwards and forwards just like in
- an a/c, and you can press them down for braking. It
- took me a good few days to overcome my MS FF2 taught
- desire to twist the gip for rudder

Yeah that wrist twist takes a while to train out!

Never looked back!

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:51 PM
I'm glad you started this thread. I've been wanting to ask. I live in Singapore and the Singapore dollar is not really strong, so I'd prefer to buy something that is already in the country rather than doing a mail-order and taking a double hit on exchange rate and then postage.The only pedals I have seen here are the Thrustmaster Elite. Are those any good? Will they work with my MSFF2? And my machine is USB, so is connection a problem?

Also, I've got big feet (US size 12), so I want something pretty substantial and with the pedals fairly far apart ('cause I got fat legs).

Or any Singaporean can tell me where got different one, meh?

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 03:56 PM
I finally made the jump and ordered the CH Pro USB Pedals because I am getting sick and tired of the bloody twist function on my joystick.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:01 PM
Getting rudder pedals is a huge step forward in the realism department. I've get CH, and they work great.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:12 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- CH Pro USB Pedals here.
-
- Only just got them, but they feel indestructible.
- The pedals pivot backwards and forwards just like in
- an a/c, and you can press them down for braking. It
- took me a good few days to overcome my MS FF2 taught
- desire to twist the gip for rudder /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .
-
- Regards,
-
- RocketDog.

Hey Rocket Dog since you already have a MSFFB2 stick and some pedals why not get a Saitek X45 as well? You CAN use both sticks in this sim and if you think pedals added to your fun/immersion factor..try having a HOTAS setup AND FFB with pedals without ever having to touch your keybooard again in flight. It is absolutely fantastic....There is a site that you can get a refurbed X45 from for $39.....cant beat it with a stick.. I am at work now and dont have the link but if somone else doesnt post it when I get home i will post it. I also have a profile I setup on my site that uses the X45/MSFFB combo...works well for me.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 04:35 PM
I use CH pedals and my big 'ole size twelve's fit comfortably.

I must mention one negative thing about pedals, and make a suggestion.

Make sure you have a comfortable chair w/ plenty of *** padding. The ergonomics of pedals being the reason I suggest this. You see, you will have both feet on the pedals so your weight will be entirely on your *** when you sit. Most ppl complicate this by leaning forward (nose to the screen) and this places all your weight squarely on your *** bone! After an hour of pivoting on you *** fulcrum you'll be in serious discomfort. Any longer than an hour can sincerely be painful. You'll walk funny if you push it too much.

I love my pedals, just thought you should know all the facts /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif




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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:37 PM
georgeo76 wrote:
-
- Make sure you have a comfortable chair w/ plenty of
- *** padding. The ergonomics of pedals being the
- reason I suggest this. You see, you will have both
- feet on the pedals so your weight will be entirely
- on your *** when you sit. Most ppl complicate this
- by leaning forward (nose to the screen) and this
- places all your weight squarely on your *** bone!
- After an hour of pivoting on you *** fulcrum you'll
- be in serious discomfort. Any longer than an hour
- can sincerely be painful. You'll walk funny if you
- push it too much.
-

Yeah, I'd already thought about that. I should probably get my fat *** out of the chair every hour anyway. Rest the wrists, ***, stretch the legs and relieve eyestrain. Those 8 hour sessions are too much. Not enough in some ways :-)

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:40 PM
Simped....on the other hand..SIMPED!!!!

Yea, nice and smooth accurate pedals.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:54 PM
Love my Thrustmaster Elite Pedals. good sturdy and i've beat the hell out of them and they still work like new.


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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 05:58 PM
Bearcat99 wrote:

- Hey Rocket Dog since you already have a MSFFB2 stick
- and some pedals why not get a Saitek X45 as well?

Hey - you've read my mind! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Actually, I used an MS FF2 for IL-2 and MechWarrior for more than a year, and then decided to get a stick with a few more buttons. I bought an X-45 but found it very hard to use the lever on the throttle for rudder, so thought I might as well take the plunge and get some pedals.

So far I'm really pleased with both the X-45 and the pedals. The X-45 throttle in particular is great to use. I had a slight glitch when I added the pedals and found that the sensitivity settings for the stick and pedals had ended up as axes 1x1, 1y1 and 1z in the [rts_joystick] text in the conf file (rather than 1x, 1y and 1z), but otherwise no problems at all.

One essential extra I've found for the X-45 is some Blu-Tack (don't know if it's called that in the US - it's a sticky putty for putting posters on walls). I use it to stick the X-45 down on the desk so the light weight bases don't slide around.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:24 PM
Another vote for Simped. I ordered them directly from the website and had them shipped to me (I'm in the US). Kinda pricey (about $190 after taxes and shipping), but I like them and don't regret the choice. I chose them over the CH pedals due to the wider spacing of Simpeds, and the wimpy spings on the CH pedals.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:40 PM
CH Pro USB. Love 'em. Makes a big difference.

Got 'em at http://www.etechwarehouse.com/ProductInfo.asp?v=C5&idProduct=12753524 for US$92.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 05:17 AM
Thanks everyone. I'll get the CH Pro USB pedals.

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michapma
08-06-2003, 08:46 AM
A counter note to georgeo76's comments: you can put weight on your feet. After takeoff, I put the balls of my feet on the heel part of the pedals. As long as the pedal base is firmly in place (this is not hard to do) you will not slide. Then you can relieve your derriere. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

I also find you need very little rudder input for most maneuvers in FB, even less than in IL-2. It's better than the spastic ball movements I've seen in another combat flight sim, but less so than some flight simulators. It's a bit of a shame in my book, and I wonder if the yaw coordination isn't played down on purpose in FB for playability. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif

Regards,
Mike

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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

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SKULLS</a></p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:14 AM
I am a cheap bastage myself so I bought the CH Pro Analog (Gameport) pedals. I wired them into my Saitek X-45 in place of the rocker switch. There is a great article at Sim HQ on exactly what you need to snip and solder.

To save my butt muscles, I got a junky old military chair and welded in permanent mounts for my throttle and joystick,

Here is a picture, sorry you have to follow the link, my web page doesnt allow direct linking..

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michapma
08-06-2003, 11:20 AM
Du, das war ein Fehler. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

I wonder how you get into that thing. What happens if you fall over backwards??? /i/smilies/16x16_robot-surprised.gif


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Manifold Pressure sucks (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182081-1.html)
Those Marvelous Props (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182082-1.html)
Mixture Magic (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182084-1.html)
Putting It All Together (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182085-1.html)
Those Fire-Breathing Turbos (Part 1 of 6) (http://www.avweb.com/news/columns/182102-1.html)</td><td align="center">

SKULLS_Chap

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SKULLS</a></p></td><td width="40%" align="right" valign="top">Hardware:
Flight Simulation Performance Analyzed (http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_062a.html)
Building a home-made throttle quadrant step by step (http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zkavv)
Sound Can Be Hazardous for Games (http://www6.tomshardware.com/game/20030405/index.html)</td></tr></table>

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:25 AM
Simpeds user here. They are a very good product, I'd rate them above my TM Cougar.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 02:21 PM
hehe i use my Logitech Momo pedals as rudders..works great /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:13 PM
RocketDog wrote:
- Bearcat99 wrote:
-
-- Hey Rocket Dog since you already have a MSFFB2 stick
-- and some pedals why not get a Saitek X45 as well?
-
- Hey - you've read my mind! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Actually, I used an MS FF2 for IL-2 and MechWarrior
- for more than a year, and then decided to get a
- stick with a few more buttons. I bought an X-45 but
- found it very hard to use the lever on the throttle
- for rudder, so thought I might as well take the
- plunge and get some pedals.
-
- So far I'm really pleased with both the X-45 and the
- pedals. The X-45 throttle in particular is great to
- use. I had a slight glitch when I added the pedals
- and found that the sensitivity settings for the
- stick and pedals had ended up as axes 1x1, 1y1 and
- 1z in the [rts_joystick] text in the conf file
- (rather than 1x, 1y and 1z), but otherwise no
- problems at all.
-
- One essential extra I've found for the X-45 is some
- Blu-Tack (don't know if it's called that in the US -
- it's a sticky putty for putting posters on walls). I
- use it to stick the X-45 down on the desk so the
- light weight bases don't slide around.
-
- Regards,
-
- RocketDog.


Go to my site and download the MS/Saitek profiles I have there..they are setup for a X45 with the FFB as the main stick for flight and guns and pitch.... with rudder on the pedals..flaps are on the rocker arm of the X45 and rudder trim is on the twisr with some other stuff in there..there is a readme file that gives you the key assignments for FB and tells you where they are on the stick..let me know what you think.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 11:41 PM
You say you already have a FFB2?! Why buy another joystick when you already have the best? It would make more sense to buy a CH throttle to get your HOTAS and use the MSFFB2.

It's your call though.



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