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SILVERFISH1992
08-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Witch one is superior and has the most armor and is the hardest to take down?


Thanks.

SILVERFISH1992
08-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Witch one is superior and has the most armor and is the hardest to take down?


Thanks.

JG53_Valantine
08-10-2009, 08:46 AM
Superiority is really a strange term to put to these aircraft although they are quite similar aircraft, armour is equally not something to be compared as making it hard to take down since they are designed for different roles and different situations.

The De Havilland Mosquito was a primarily wooden and veneer aircraft with relatively little armour, however it was an extremely durable aircraft due to this and its impressive speed for both the bomber and fighter bomber variants. It was used as a night fighter to escort British heavies as well as a precision bomber.

The Bristol Beaufighter on the other hand was a heavy fighter armed heavily with hispano cannons and .303 Mg's. It was used as a bomber interceptor and night figter during 41 until this role was taken over by the Mosquito. At which point it was moved to be a long range fighter and anti shipping aircraft. The all metal construction of the Beaufighter gave it an advantage over the Mosquito, which suffered a series of mysterious crashes in the Far East, blamed at the time on problems with the glue used in its wooden construction not coping withthe heat.

The Douglas A-20 Havoc was a light bomber and night fighter aircraft. Although it did not have the range or load of the Beaufighter it is extremely durable and tough. It was equally quite a fast aircraft that could manoeuver very well.

As you can see the aircraft are not really comparable in the way you wish for them to be compared, each has their strengths and weaknesses as all aircraft do.


EDIT - If we are talking about in game, Mosquitos are very easily taken down IF you can catch up with them, of course the AI doesnt fly them all too well, sticking to formation in the bomber Mosquito allowing you to destroy lots of them for very little trouble.
A20's in game are quite nasty due to the defensive gunners, although cannon equiped fighers concentrating fire on the wings will take them doen relatively quickly.
I find Beaufighters hardest to take down since they can absorb a lot of fire whilst being quite a dangerous opponent.
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general_kalle
08-10-2009, 09:01 AM
all in all i'd say they are quite similar.
the Mosquito is the fastest with he Beufighter the toughest. the A20 and the early Mosquito can do high altitude level bombing aswell.
A20 and Beufighter can carry torpedo.

if i was to through enemy lines to a target i would choose the Mosquito because of its speed.

steiner562
08-10-2009, 09:08 AM
Beaufighter is the more all rounder and so would be my choice,can hold its own against fighters and really does pack a punch with its Hispanos.

Xiolablu3
08-10-2009, 02:34 PM
The problem with the Mosquito is that it falls apart really easily at mid-high speeds in the game.

Its very very easy to lose parts or even a whole wing when manouvering at med-high speeds, which sucks.

SILVERFISH1992
08-10-2009, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
The problem with the Mosquito is that it falls apart really easily at mid-high speeds in the game.

Its very very easy to lose parts or even a whole wing when manouvering at med-high speeds, which sucks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

That never happens to me(when flying at normal difficulty settings...).

Thekid321
08-10-2009, 05:26 PM
I like the mosquito because it has the good fire power, but with good speed. I don't worry about breaking it while menouevering because you shouldn't turn and burn with it. And it's pretty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Stiletto-
08-10-2009, 06:42 PM
If you are wanting to use these aircraft as a fighter, they obviously have to be used with energy tactics.. While the Mosquito is the fastest in a straight line, I think it likes to burn alot of it off once you start pulling on the stick, relative to the two other aircraft.

You'd be surprised at how well the Boston can climb, both it and the Beaufighter have fairly good zoom climbs, if there is a long enough dive before a very long zoom climb, both of these planes can chase down and eat up some of the less efficient fighters before reaching stall speeds. The downside to the Beaufighter is no defensive armament unlike the A-20.

Personally I would probably rather pick the Beaufighter or A-20 over the Mosquito for pure dogfighting but at the top of my list is probably the BF-110... or P-61 Black Widow.. You mentioned those didnt you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TheCrux
08-10-2009, 11:18 PM
As a flyer of all...and to a somewhat larger degree, a flyer against said types...I must give the nod to the A-20 overall. I like it most to fly, and respect it most flying against.

Best combo of: Speed...Ruggedness...Ordinance...Defensive armament...Agility. There are points I like about the other 2, but this one has the best combo, hands down.

p1ngu666
08-11-2009, 01:00 AM
dont confuse the mossie ingame to the real mossie...

best way to put is is the ingame mossie is nelson piquet jr, and the real mossie is alonso...

Choctaw111
08-11-2009, 10:39 AM
I have been really impressed with the A20.
You can carry a great deal of ordnance, all internal in some configurations. She will climb like no ones business and although not a maneuverable as fighter can have a nasty surprise on the unwary fighter pilot with all the nose mounted guns.
I once shot down 2 109 fighters in one sortie just going out to a target to bomb it.
They were careless or just didn't know, got in front of me and I blasted them.
I don't think I could have done this with any other plane with that much weight in bombs.

SILVERFISH1992
08-11-2009, 10:43 AM
Have you seen the A-20 and the aircraft carrier? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Its so powerful...

I choose the SBD-5. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

Xiolablu3
08-13-2009, 07:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thekid321:
I like the mosquito because it has the good fire power, but with good speed. I don't worry about breaking it while menouevering because you shouldn't turn and burn with it. And it's pretty. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats precisely what I am NOT doing. I am diving down fast onto the enemy, to B&Z, and it breaks apart.

If you turn and burn at least it wont fall apart. But then you will be shot down anyway as it sucks for TnB.

AndyJWest
08-13-2009, 07:21 AM
I've can't say I've noticed the Mosquito breaking up at speed: how fast? at what altitude?

Anybody know what the real Mossie's VNE was?

Edit -----------------------------------

From here (http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/de_havilland_mosquito.html)

Mosquito FB Mk VI
VNE (without external stores) 425 mph (with 8 x 60lb RP) 400 mph

Assuming that these figures are IAS, this seems reasonable - a quick test shows that the sim Mossie gets pronounced buffeting as you approach VNE, and breaks up if you exceed about 440 mph IAS (clean). I'd say that this was pretty accurate. The thing to bear in mind is that an aerodynamically clean aircraft accelerates rapidly in a dive, especially under power.

Xiolablu3
08-14-2009, 09:15 AM
Around 3000m, try a fast B&Z that you would do in a Fw190 or P47.

As you try and line up the target, you will lose an elevator, rudder or wing.

I wasnt lookin at the exact speed, but its speeds that I usually hit while B&Zing in other planes.

DKoor
08-14-2009, 09:19 AM
Mosquito all the way.

AndyJWest
08-14-2009, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Around 3000m, try a fast B&Z that you would do in a Fw190 or P47.

As you try and line up the target, you will lose an elevator, rudder or wing.

I wasnt lookin at the exact speed, but its speeds that I usually hit while B&Zing in other planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you getting buffeting before breakup? If not, then there may be a real problem, but you will need to confirm the speed it occurs - If it is lower than the sort of figure I quote (which was probably at about 3-4000m), then something strange is going on.

I doubt if the mosquito was ever designed for the sort of stresses that the BnZ you describe can induce. Originally designed as a bomber, the fighter versions were primarily used at night, as far as I'm aware, and fast BnZ would not be normal tactics.

Xiolablu3
08-14-2009, 01:16 PM
Yeah some buffetting, but I am just saying that the Mossie sucks as a fighter cos you cannot B&Z nor TnB.

BGs_Ricky
08-14-2009, 02:05 PM
One has still to remember that, as a fighter, the Mossie was supposed to down primarily bombers at night, not to mix up with single engine-fighters.
I find that in game its turning and B'n'Z abilities are good enough when attacking Ju-88s or He-111.
Your only chance to shoot down a single engine fighter is to take him totally by surprise and blast it with your huge firepower. If that fails just run away and don't ever come back.