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CHDT
12-26-2004, 10:00 AM
..... the maltese cross soon to be banned by the P.C. propaganda-police http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Sep-09-Tue-2003/news/22115490.html

Next target, the WWI aviation sims!

CHDT
12-26-2004, 10:00 AM
..... the maltese cross soon to be banned by the P.C. propaganda-police http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Sep-09-Tue-2003/news/22115490.html

Next target, the WWI aviation sims!

HARD_Sarge
12-26-2004, 10:57 AM
Not to get anything started and all, this statement just totally miffed me

Rabbi Richard Schachet of the Valley Outreach Synagogue suggested that students think seriously about the message behind the symbol. Yes, it was a symbol of valor to the Germans, he said.

But who were the ones they gave it to?" Schachet asked. "Those who murdered the Jews. Those who murdered the gypsies. Those who murdered the homosexuals. Is that the symbol you really want to use to represent yourself?"

why don't he do some homework and find out how many Jews were awarded the Iron Cross

besides, the ban is on the Maltese cross, which is different, and also has a different history and meaning behind it

HARD_Sarge

PraetorHonoris
12-26-2004, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Rabbi Richard Schachet of the Valley Outreach Synagogue suggested that students think seriously about the message behind the symbol. Yes, it was a symbol of valor to the Germans, he said.

"But who were the ones they gave it to?" Schachet asked. "Those who murdered the Jews. Those who murdered the gypsies. Those who murdered the homosexuals. Is that the symbol you really want to use to represent yourself?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can hardly believe this!

It was Frederick William III. of Prussia, who founded the Iron Cross during the Liberation Wars 1813, freeing Europe from Napoleons reign.
This Rabbi should be remembered that Prussia was the first state, in which the freedom of religion existed, that Prussia was the first state, in which the jews enjoyed equality in front of the court and the law!
He should think about the fact how many German jews were awarded with the Iron Cross and wore it with pride, because it was medal, that was awarded regardless of ancestry.

The ones, who gave the Iron cross to us had nothing, absolutly nothing to do with murdering jews, homosexuals and so on.

Do the Americans sill think German history is limited on 1933-1945 and Hitler?

... not to mention the long story of the Maltese cross...

WOLFMondo
12-26-2004, 11:02 AM
Its only in one part of the US, the rest of the world is okhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif...besides, im sure it will be overruled, who ever the person was who passed the ban is as stupid as the rich kid racists who picked the wrong symbol to represent there sad cause. They probably thought the Iron Cross was the same as the swastika.

DuxCorvan
12-26-2004, 11:20 AM
O God! The Malta Cross is the symbol of the Order of Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem. It was founded in 1099 to give rest and protection to Christian pilgrims who visited Jerusalem and other sacred places.

The Teutonic Orders took the same symbol in the middle ages. That's why William III chose it to symbolize honor, valour and the protection of the weak when he created the Iron Cross decoration.

It's not a nazi symbol, please. This is becoming ridiculous.

Soon, they'll ban Chaplin films because of the small moustache, and you won't be allowed to shout 'achtung!' in Jerusalem if you see German tourists about to step on a dog turd and you want to warn them.

Let's relax. Not every German-related symbol is a nazi-related symbol, even if they used it and there are fascistic stupids all around the world that use it. If so, we couldn't have our hair cut not to be taken as skinheads, and the Marines would look like a contest of long-haired guys escaped from Woodstock.

Malta Cross is not an Iron Cross, and Iron Cross is not a nazi decoration -unless it has a svastika in it. An Albatros D.II has those crosses and it's by no means a nazi machine.

Political correctness is getting incorrect.

CHDT
12-26-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Not every German-related symbol is a nazi-related symbol, even if they used it and there are fascistic stupids all around the world that use it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, the same thing is also happening for the Celtic cross, a more than a millenary-old Christian symbol, which is also on the way to be banned by the P.C. police!

ThreeCrow
12-26-2004, 11:42 AM
"Maltese Cross".... didn't Humphery Bogart star in that?

Oh.... I remember now.

REDHAWK_1
12-26-2004, 02:26 PM
~S~ ALL!
About the swatiska and maltese cross there is a little unknown fact that many people don't know about. The above things mention was in fact used by my people of the ancient one of the Native Americans back 2000 years ago. The so call swatiska which now is not in the dictionary any more because of what Hilter nazi party used it for, was in fact the symbol used for the four direation or some say the four winds, the Maltese cross also represented the same as the so called swatiska, the German nazi party took our symbol, which was a symbol of goodness and twisted it and used it for thier evil purposes. I know as a Native, my people find this very appalling and unforgiving.

meh_cd
12-26-2004, 02:31 PM
Good grief. I want to e-mail that rabbi and rip him a new one.

cow_9th
12-26-2004, 02:36 PM
Jews feeling ppl are forgetting the holocaust again are they?

Palestine ring any bells ? and these are the ppl that rule the world eh?

no words.........

REDHAWK_1
12-26-2004, 02:42 PM
Cow_9th
I wasnt defending any one, was just pointing out the facts about the forsaid objects and where they came from, now if u want to get in to a heated debet, I could mention a few things about the treatment of others, buit this is not the place or time. Besides I have repect for every thoughts. ~S~ and have a good day

BlitzPig_DDT
12-26-2004, 02:45 PM
Fecking people are fecking stupid! Have I mentioned before that people suck? This ban is yet more evidence of it.

It will never cease to amaze me how people can manage to fear, or attribute so much power (and often over themselves), to some squiggles and angles.

Absolutely unbeleivable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
12-26-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Political correctness is getting incorrect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has ALWAYS been incorrect Dux. One of the closest manifestations of "evil" that exists today. (socialism notwithstanding, but they are intertwined in ways, at times)

Kongo Otto
12-26-2004, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HARD_Sarge:



why don't he do some homework and find out how many Jews were awarded the Iron Cross
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HI

the Iron Cross was awarded to a few hundred
jewish Soldiers in WW1.The most known are:

Leutnant Wilhelm Frankl (ACe 19 Victories)
and
Max Valentiner Commander U-38
both were also awarded Prussias Highest Military Decoration,the Pour Le Merite.
http://www.pourlemerite.org/wwi/air/frankl02.jpg
Picture shows Lt.Frankl

The Knights Kross were also awarde to 23 Jewish Soldiers in WW2.for example:
Generalfeldmarschall Erhard Milch
and Generalfeldmarschal Erich von Manstein

Mansteins real Name was Fritz Erich von Lewinski,he was later adopted by Gen.Lt.von Manstein,when his father died in an miltary exercise accident in 1905.


The Iron Kross was also awarded to women,like
Eleonore Prochaska (aka August Renz)she fought in mens cloth with the Lützow J¤gers in the Napoleonic Freedom War 1813-1815.

In WW2 the Iron Cross was mostly awarded to Red Cross Nurses,which served in front line areas,like
Elfriede Wnuk and Ilse Daub which were awarded with both EK1 and EK2
From the Original text of Ilse Daubs EK1 Citation:
"For uncommon valor,while rescuing wounded Soldiers under heavy enemy fire."
Ilse Daub also was awarded the Wound Badge in Silver,and the Medal for the "Winterschlacht im Osten"


Grüße
Kongo Otto

Backdraft57
12-26-2004, 03:18 PM
Well, Well, Well. I can't read the link but this is crazy. Im a firefighter and we extensivly use the maltese cross in the fire service. I have one on the patch of my uniform. I dare anyone to try and ban mine! Gosh, I never killed a jew or a homo, wonder how I got mine?

georgeo76
12-26-2004, 03:29 PM
I'll quote George Carlin "Symbols are for the symbol-minded"

It's pretty dumb for someone to get upset by a symbol. Upset enough to want to ban it, or upset that someone would want to ban it.

ppl seem to have difficulty differentiating between symbols and the stuff they represent. Flag burning, rebel flags, swastikas, maltese crosses, statues of the ten commandments... idolatry, and a waste of time. Don't we have real problems?

I don't care if you want to have a Maltese cross on your T-shirt. I don't care if your not allowed to have a Maltese cross on your T-shirt. The only symbols I care about are the letters and pictographs that make up languages and the numerals that constitute math.

clint-ruin
12-26-2004, 03:29 PM
Ah.

Nice thread you got here.

So far - one bash of Israeli treatment of palestinians, one bash of socialism, one reference to "homos".

Yup, sure to raise the quality of the forum 1000 fold.

I had a strange feeling the only thing more stupid than the quote from the Rabbi in the article would be the responses here.

DuxCorvan
12-26-2004, 03:31 PM
In fact, Maltese Cross is NOWADAYS the badge used in actual Germany Luftwaffe aircraft (GAF), with NATO's blessings, with no problem...

http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/DocName/InternetLw_Home

http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/FE527309F118E9FAC1256E8500353A17/$FILE/20040428_103_G.jpg

And, Clint, you're right, except in maybe one thing: Israeli politics towards Palestine based in 'a guy has put a bomb in the market, let's waste his village with bulldozers and put on fire his neighbour's home' isn't going to pacify the zone... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Only my view. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

turnipkiller
12-26-2004, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by REDHAWK_1:
~S~ ALL!
About the swatiska and maltese cross there is a little unknown fact that many people don't know about. The above things mention was in fact used by my people of the ancient one of the Native Americans back 2000 years ago. The so call swatiska which now is not in the dictionary any more because of what Hilter nazi party used it for, was in fact the symbol used for the four direation or some say the four winds, the Maltese cross also represented the same as the so called swatiska, the German nazi party took our symbol, which was a symbol of goodness and twisted it and used it for thier evil purposes. I know as a Native, my people find this very appalling and unforgiving. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah and the swastika was used in China, India, Greece and a variation was used in England. Soldiers of the American 45th Division wore it on their shoulder patches in World War I. For over 3000 years it was a symbol of many different cultures, of many different meanings including the sun, power, good luck and strength. The word Swastika comes from the Sanskrit word "Svasktika" -- "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix. Unfortunately it was perverted to become a symbol of evil by the Nazi party, and this is what it's connotation is today.

As for the Maltese cross, it was, as stated a few posts above used by The Knights of St. John of Jerusalem. It also appears as a symbol on many insignias of firefighters.

It is the actions of close minded people that wish to ban the cross from this school. Personally, I think it looks cool on the West Coast Chopper shirts (I am guilty of owning a couple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) but I don't want to kill anyone. People don't bother to look at the context of where the symbol is. There are no references to killing Jews, gypsies or gays on these shirts. Some people will argue "Why not put a Swastika on your shirt then? Obviously you have no problem with that either." The damage has been done for that symbol. Even though it was orginally a symbol of good things, it will never be redeemed as such because of one man and his party's evil.

The cross is the next target for the politically correct bandwagon. I wonder then, will Rabbi Richard Schachet agree that banning a red star be next? The Russians killed Jews, Gypsies and other innocents in the Pogroms so certainly their symbol is evil too then yes?

It is time that people say enough is enough. If the context in which the symbol is used is of a racist, evil or general hateful manner then yes: ban the symbol for that particular purpose. But why make a big deal of something that is not? I applaud the students for standing up and resisting this ban. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Marek_Steele
12-26-2004, 03:40 PM
This is all so wrong...
If this was ban to the 1939 iron cross, it would be understandable, but not just the iron cross with all the wrong meanings they are charging it!
Oh, yeah, I guess those would ban my avatar too (nevermind the falling Mercury). It's the Christ's Military Order Cross, this order the sucessor to the templaries order in here (about 7 centuries ago). This order's cross was painted in portuguese vessels during the discoveries (as they financed them...), and it's still present in our merchant navy and airforce to remember the will to face the unknown and give new worlds to the world as our ancestors did.
So, let's ban it because of the crusades, middle age's inquisition, slavery market (yes, we created it, but we are also the first to abolish it!) and colonialism with it's exploration and massacres. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

clint-ruin
12-26-2004, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
And, Clint, you're right, except in maybe one thing: Israeli politics towards Palestine based in 'a guy has put a bomb in the market, let's waste his village with bulldozers and put on fire his neighbour's home' isn't going to pacify the zone... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Only my view. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was more making a point that this possibly wasn't the best choice of forum for such an article, all we need now to complete the set is some reference to ancient indian wisdom, a bash on the roma people, and complaints about those annoying untermenschen with all that free land hanging around.

DuxCorvan
12-26-2004, 03:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by clint-ruin:
...and complaints about those annoying untermenschen with all that free land hanging around. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In fact, the problem is that all that free land is hanging BENEATH. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Just kidding. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Yeah, you're right. We all have agreed yet that banning everything with two sticks crossing is childish oversensitivism. So let it die...

Let it die...

http://premium1.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/eyes.jpg

Sleep... sleep...

http://premium1.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Clipboard01.jpg

BlitzPig_DDT
12-26-2004, 04:01 PM
Typical. And to be expected.

Aimosika
12-26-2004, 04:20 PM
What the hell is happening in USA???

Oh well, swastika is still in Finnish highest crosses still and it will be never removed. And those swastikas are INSIDE maltan crosses.

US is getting deeper and deeper with its jews...

BaldieJr
12-26-2004, 04:55 PM
Please delete this thread before another illiterate comments.

DuxCorvan
12-26-2004, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aimosika:
US is getting deeper and deeper with its jews... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, as we say in Spain, you are 'pi$$ing out of the pile'... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

Baldie is right, this is converting into a rude party. Let's have this locked or let's stay civilized and nice, ok? I don't like political correctness, but that doesn't mean I don't like politeness, please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

J_Weaver
12-26-2004, 05:33 PM
I heard a German WWII soldier say that there is no reason to fear the swatiska and other symbols and such related to the Nazi's. He said that people should fear when these symbols become forgotten. Because then it could happen all over again.

I think he was a wise old man.

AFJ_Locust
12-26-2004, 05:50 PM
The events that took place in 1933-1945 Stain the memory of many people NOT Just Jews...

Thoes Symbols altho they have many differant meanings & have nothing to do with Hitler are very very simular to the Nazi Iron Cross that has the Swastika in the center of it.

The Evil that was done in WWII stands out much more than history that is centurys old because it is more recent, thoes symbols are Tied by Blood, Death & Hate in the minds of many to Hitler & his henchmen.

That is why people are so sensitive to thoes symbols.

I rember seeing a show about a concentration camp that was discovered by US troops in Germany, They said it was Unbelivable Evil that they seen there that day & they were so angery about what they seen that they forced the closest town to March through the camp, Thoes people in the city claimed they knew nothing about what was happaning in the concentration camp, The US Troops said there was no way they couldn't have known, Thats why they forced them to Look at the evil that took place so close to there homes.

Maybe you need a march through there, then you would be sensitive to the fealings of the people who lived & died in that hell of a socity.

Keep it real!!!

Smell the Flowers !!!

AFJ_Locust
12-26-2004, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
Fecking people are fecking stupid! Have I mentioned before that people suck? This ban is yet more evidence of it.

It will never cease to amaze me how people can manage to fear, or attribute so much power (and often over themselves), to some squiggles and angles.

Absolutely unbeleivable. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the squiggles & Angles mean nothing then why dont you take the Rebel flag off of your sig ??

It dosent mean anything right ?

Thats what I thought!!!

BaldieJr
12-26-2004, 06:08 PM
Students wearing the symbols could be in danger if a different gang mistakes them for members of the 311 Boyz. And students who see the symbol may feel threatened by those who wear it.


Now shut up about it.

AFJ_Locust
12-26-2004, 06:12 PM
One more thing you all should consider

This story in the artical probly only has about 25% of the real story & even less of the facts of what has been happaning at that school.

When I was a teenager in highschool there were many confused kids that did use thoes symbols as gang/racist insignia & they were racist individuals indead, weather it was just for group acceptance or weather they realy hated Blacks Mexicans Jews or anyone who wasent like themselves they did use that symboligy and were hatefull people to be around. Theres way more to this story than what your reading in that artical, gaurnteed!!

And the Rabi probly has a kid that attends that school.


"At Centennial Highschool, the blocky symbol that evolved from the Maltese cross is newly known as a gang sign for the 311 Boyz, a group/gang of middle- to upper-class teens whom police say carried out a series of beatings in the northwest valley. At least one incident being investigated by police involves the beating of a minority."


Besides beatings and stabings theres stealing intimidation & baddgering just to name a few, if your in the click/gang its all good but if your on the reciving end its realy bad & ruins your life.

Hate Breeds

BlitzPig_DDT
12-26-2004, 07:13 PM
More people (or person, I'll leave that up to the reader http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) giving power over themselves to meaningless lines. AND defending it. Wow. What a surprise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Best of all, they don't even know what the hell they are talking about. lol

sithgod
12-26-2004, 07:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by J_Weaver:
I heard a German WWII soldier say that there is no reason to fear the swatiska and other symbols and such related to the Nazi's. He said that people should fear when these symbols become forgotten. Because then it could happen all over again.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My grandfather was in the British army and was captured at Dunkirk. He spent most of the war in various German prison camps. He told me much the same thing. He feels that the PC movement might mean well but is misguided. He doesn't think discussion of the Nazi's, their politics/beliefs or their symbols should ever be banned. He felt that by doing so gives them alot more power.

That only through education and understanding what happened, why it happened and the events that led to the second world war and especially the mindset of the SS, Nazi party can we ever hope to have any chance to prevent such things. That sweeping the Swatiska under the carpet of banning it or discussion of the Nazi's is a big step backward.

Banning it is the first step to forgetting. That would be an injustice to all those who died or fought.

just my 2c

sulla04
12-26-2004, 07:54 PM
If you can represent the red star and hammer and sickle,you should be able to show the swaztika and certainly the maltese cross.Soviet Union for the first 50 years was as bad or worse than nazi germany.Before I get banned or anything,that is according to Russian historians and authors.All of the above are historically correct for planes tanks etc and should always be allowed in historical sims etc.Also you forgot Werner Voss with 48 victories and quite possibly the best ace of WW1 was jewish.

bhunter2112
12-26-2004, 08:43 PM
spineless school admin. "we don't want to offend anyone or get sued so lets just ban everything to be safe" I think most people have had enough of this PC rubbish. Let's ban christ from christmas. I hope all the grade schoolers had fun at the kawanza party. I weep for the future.

John_Stag
12-26-2004, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:

Soon, they'll ban Chaplin films because of the small moustache, and you won't be allowed to shout 'achtung!' in Jerusalem if you see German tourists about to step on a dog turd and you want to warn them.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'd warn them-

DOH! That's me figured out! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Dunno about ban it; but I would like to give those people that have worn it proudly about ten minutes in a room with those who are polluting its heritage.

CHDT
12-27-2004, 02:20 AM
@Bhunter: what is a "kawanza party"?

VK_Dim
12-27-2004, 02:31 AM
I wonder, how can somebody discuss about something that he doesn't even know how to spell it right...

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 05:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Rabbi Richard Schachet of the Valley Outreach Synagogue suggested that students think seriously about the message behind the symbol. Yes, it was a symbol of valor to the Germans, he said.

"But who were the ones they gave it to?" Schachet asked. "Those who murdered the Jews. Those who murdered the gypsies. Those who murdered the homosexuals. Is that the symbol you really want to use to represent yourself?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can hardly believe this!

It was Frederick William III. of Prussia, who founded the Iron Cross during the Liberation Wars 1813, freeing Europe from Napoleons reign.
This Rabbi should be remembered that Prussia was the first state, in which the freedom of religion existed, that Prussia was the first state, in which the jews enjoyed equality in front of the court and the law!
He should think about the fact how many German jews were awarded with the Iron Cross and wore it with pride, because it was medal, that was awarded regardless of ancestry.

The ones, who gave the Iron cross to us had nothing, absolutly nothing to do with murdering jews, homosexuals and so on.

Do the Americans sill think German history is limited on 1933-1945 and Hitler?

... not to mention the long story of the Maltese cross... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

With such a big population, you're going to get a few nuts in the U.S.

Unfortunately, I think that along with everything else, the title of "Rabbi" doesn't mean what it used to, in terms of knowledge and wisdom. I am sure the man feels quite justified in his statements and wishes. I wonder if the man knows that there are Iron Crosses with swastikas, and without?

But hey, maybe it's not all bad. They can re-instate the Pour le Merite with no troubles.

Ronin_3ra2004
12-27-2004, 09:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Political correctness is getting incorrect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has ALWAYS been incorrect Dux. One of the closest manifestations of "evil" that exists today. (socialism notwithstanding, but they are intertwined in ways, at times) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL "evil" exists HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
you mean "SATAN" is back Nazis,terrorism etc ?HOHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOHOHOOO
Stop please the rest of world are in XXI century

BlitzPig_DDT
12-27-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ronin_3ra2004:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Political correctness is getting incorrect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has ALWAYS been incorrect Dux. One of the closest manifestations of "evil" that exists today. (socialism notwithstanding, but they are intertwined in ways, at times) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL "evil" exists HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
you mean "SATAN" is back Nazis,terrorism etc ?HOHOHOHOHOHOHHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOHOHOOO
Stop please the rest of world are in XXI century <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try reading what is written please, not what you wish to see. Ask for help if you are having trouble. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 11:12 AM
Actually, wasn't the term "Politically Correct" coined by Mao Tse Tung?

darkhorizon11
12-27-2004, 11:49 AM
Yeah, thats pretty dumb it is an ancient symbol, and like the swastika only in the past 60 years has become demonized. If anything the Jewish rabbi's pushing for the ban should turn around and apologize to the Muslims their ancestors slaughtered 1000 years ago when they marched in Isreal under that same symbol to recapture the holy land.

You guys are only spreading half the story on here though, they're banning the maltese cross more because its a gang symbol. I support a temporary ban if it will help quell this gang violence. There are of course the extremists that want it perminately banned for stupid reasons. The world is full of people like that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

TC_Stele
12-27-2004, 12:03 PM
First off, you're dealing with kids wearing these symbols. I bet not even a handful of them even know the history behind the Iron Cross and instead they associate it more with the Nazi Party. Since they can't use the swastika they're using the Iron Cross as a substitute. I'm sure they're not wearing it for the purposes of the Order of Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem. I bet none have even heard of that.

I'd hate to see it banned and I hate to see it being used by another group of ignorant people, however I can't have the entire pie either.

DuxCorvan
12-27-2004, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
...they're banning the maltese cross more because its a gang symbol. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe they should ban the gang instead? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TC_Stele:
Since they can't use the swastika they're using the Iron Cross as a substitute. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And when they can't use Iron Cross, they'll use any other symbol. Nazis -as all ideologies inspired in dominion and strength- liked much all kind of 'epic' or 'heroic' symbols as eagles, swords, crosses, lions, dragons, horses, stars, runic and gothic characters, etc. There's an unlimited range for choice, and all those symbols are typical of Western heraldic tradition: they're in flags, shields of arms, badges, distinctives, decorations, logotypes...

It's gonna be a never-ending story.

Daiichidoku
12-27-2004, 12:29 PM
Too bad about PC....

but theres nothing wrong with it, and NO! I wont go to a MAC.....

Ok, really, the whole thing is silly...there is NO symbol that hasnt been used by ppl doing naughty things...do we ban all of them?

Spanish Inquicision(*) had plenty o crosses about, prhaps we can ban that, too?...

What happens if an American Idian or Buddist goes to Germany proudly displaying a Swastika on his person, denoting an aspect of his culture or faith?


Bloody ridiculous, lets just ban everything there is, nuke the planet down until it becomes a giant parking lot, or just shut the F up, have a beer, amybe a toke, and "just get along"

ANyone who still has a problem with ANYTHING, religious, territorial racial, whatever, we can let them all go to Greenland and sort it out amonst themselves...hopefully they kill each other off...but toss layweres in with them, fo r good measure

dvergur
12-27-2004, 12:34 PM
Hi all

This Swastika scare is going too far. I am not politically minded in the classic term, but I don´t like it when I see a forgery of history, that is the removal of the said symbol.

The swastika symbol has been in existence for thousands of years and had originally a very positive meaning, a symbol of good things.

The symbol itself should never get banned, only the idealism that mistreated this ancient positive symbol.

The nazi party undoubtedly adopted this symbol with its positive meanings in mind, but later the symbol became tainted by their wrong-doings, aka, part of history.

The symbol itself should not be mixed up with misguided politics.

The Jevs were mistreated by many other nations too.
They got mistreated and murdered in Stalins time, in Russia. Should the old Russian symbol the red star be banned too ?

I think not.

yamit

Some links of the history of the Swastika:

http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html

http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm

BlitzPig_DDT
12-27-2004, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dvergur:
Should the old Russian symbol the red star be banned too ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The soviet star? Absolutely. Fair's fair. And ban the hinomaru (sp?) right along with it. (and most especially the hammer and cycle - since we're after symbols of "evil" afterall....)

Blackdog5555
12-27-2004, 01:20 PM
Actually, most you guys missed the point. This whole story is about a "High School" Banning "Gang Symbols." This (banning)is done with all gang clothing in all (at least most)US high Schools. In America, you can proudly wear the Maltese Cross untill your thing falls off. Also, They were popular fashion items in the mid-late 60's. everyone "kids" wore them around the neck. The problem is that the POS 311 gang (rich and lazy KKK wannabees) adopted the symbol so now its "gang related." the Rabbi just wants to remind us of the Holocaust in case we forgot. LOL. Pity, for many the war hasn't ended. im bored , Cheers!

PraetorHonoris
12-27-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
the Rabbi just wants to remind us of the Holocaust in case we forgot. LOL. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So? He said €žwho were the ones they gave it to? Those who murdered the Jews. Those who murdered the gypsies. Those who murdered the homosexuals.€œ

From my point of view this is
a) idiotic: it was Frederick William III. and Prussia in 1813 (read my first post)
b) ignorant: ignoring the history of the Iron cross and the Maltese cross
c) insulting: all Germans are nazis ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I don't care what this boy gang uses the cross for, fact is that the Rabbi's saying is rubbish.


@ Chuck:

I know it is a small part of the US...

TROOPER117
12-27-2004, 03:02 PM
Has the world gone mad?
If we can see these idiotic statements for what they really are, why can't the rest of this PC motivated planet we live on?
If I fly german aircraft in game with a swastika on it am I a nazi? No! I'm just a guy enjoying a flight sim.
If I fly russian aircraft adorned with WWII communist slogans, am I some crazy Stalinist intent on turning the world into a communist state? No! I'm JUST a guy enjoying a flight sim!!
Bah! Its so PATHETIC! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Chuck_Older
12-27-2004, 03:21 PM
Praetor:

I figured you did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

TROOPER117
12-27-2004, 03:44 PM
Ref my last post?
I forgot to say, Hohoho, merry christmas everyone!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

CHDT
12-27-2004, 03:48 PM
I've seen gangs with Nike shirts.

Never heard of a ban for the Nike logo!

CHDT
12-27-2004, 03:55 PM
All this P.C. hysteria about symbols is pure hypocrisy or politics manipulation.

A single example of this duplicity: did you hear these P.C. dictators say something during a real, obvious, shown on TV genocide like what happen a few years ago in Rwanda?

Of course no, because there was nothing there that could be controlled according to some hidden agendas! Simple as that.

In the end, it's not a question of moral, it's a question of power.

Snuffy_Hadden
12-27-2004, 04:07 PM
The same thing is happening to another Piece of History. Certain individuals want to ban anything related to the Southern Cause during the Civil War in America, because it is representative of slavery.

NOT true. It's representative of a way of life and a culture as well as states rights.

Besides, the Confederacy had persons of color enlisted in their ranks as well. Figure that one out.

BlitzPig_DDT
12-27-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snuffy_Hadden:
The same thing is happening to another Piece of History. Certain individuals want to ban anything related to the Southern Cause during the Civil War in America, because it is representative of slavery.

NOT true. It's representative of a way of life and a culture as well as states rights.

Besides, the Confederacy had persons of color enlisted in their ranks as well. Figure that one out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

I still get the occasional moron that gives me a hard time over my sig.

They don't even know what that flag IS, let alone what it "means" or why I have it there.

Hell it happenend in this thread. lol

CHDT
12-27-2004, 04:20 PM
Btw, it seems that some people don't like each kind of cross now in the USA:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/123/53.0.html

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/187/LAcountyseal.jpg

That's simply revisionism, but this one is allowed!

Backdraft57
12-27-2004, 04:22 PM
Quote from the link above on the history of the swastika.... "The swastika is an extremely powerful symbol. Though the Nazis used it to murder millions of people, for centuries it had positive meanings."

Now the Nazis used it to murder people. This is madness. Did they stab them with a swastika? Hit them over the head with it? Drop 500lb "swastika's" from HE111's? Heck, if they are going to eliminate the "swastika" from WW2 models, flight sim's, etc., why not just eliminate the plane? Wasn't the HE111 made by the Nazi's and used to murder people in Poland and England? Why do we want to fly a HE111 that was used to kill people? Oh wait, the sim has eliminated the swastika from the HE111, so its ok now. Sheesh. PC taken to its logical conclusion ends in madness.

BaldieJr
12-27-2004, 04:33 PM
Contextual perversion at its worst. I can't believe this is allowed. The ignorance displayed here is offensive.

It hurts me to see so many pervert this story into something it is not.

huggy87
12-27-2004, 05:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snuffy_Hadden:
The same thing is happening to another Piece of History. Certain individuals want to ban anything related to the Southern Cause during the Civil War in America, because it is representative of slavery.

NOT true. It's representative of a way of life and a culture as well as states rights.

Besides, the Confederacy had persons of color enlisted in their ranks as well. Figure that one out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am truly glad that we live in a country that allows folks to display whatever symbols they like. Like you say, it would be very repressive to ban the confederate flag. But at the same time, I cannot believe that otherwise intelligent people believe there is nothing wrong with flying a confederate flag. Culture? States rights? 800,000 men died to keep the south in the union and end slavery. No matter how you try and justify it, it symbolizes the repression of another race of people. Would you wear a swastika because it symbolizes culture and a nation's rights?

Don't call me a yankee. I had ancestors fight on both sides. I am just glad the ones wearing blue won.

BlitzPig_DDT
12-27-2004, 05:25 PM
More ignorance.

But, history is written by the victors afterall, and precious few ever bother to question the **** they are spoonfed by the system unfortuantely.

Blackdog5555
12-27-2004, 06:19 PM
Well moron, Gangs wear shoes too. Der.. why arent those banned then? Moron. This forum is getting like a special education class. The only point being made is the propiety of school contolling students in their gang related activities. This situation involves student's gang wear, which demonstates or shows that they belong in a "suburan KKK." Only Mr. Stars and Bars southern redneck would think that its ok to show that you are in the KKK. It show that some people are not only still fighting WWII but some still are fighting the Civil War. Take the wheels of your house and relax. Im still laughing. The Maltese Cross is an honorable symbol. Cheers and a happy new year, redneck. LOL....

huggy87
12-27-2004, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snuffy_Hadden:
The same thing is happening to another Piece of History. Certain individuals want to ban anything related to the Southern Cause during the Civil War in America, because it is representative of slavery.

NOT true. It's representative of a way of life and a culture as well as states rights.

Besides, the Confederacy had persons of color enlisted in their ranks as well. Figure that one out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

I still get the occasional moron that gives me a hard time over my sig.

They don't even know what that flag IS, let alone what it "means" or why I have it there.

Hell it happenend in this thread. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I remember the thread where you described the symbology of your signature. Since we are all so 'ignorant', why don't you enlighten us instead of calling everyone 'morons' and 'ignorant'. To quote one of my favorite southerners "stupid is as stupid does".

BlitzPig_DDT
12-27-2004, 06:34 PM
Those who don't know AND don't ask are morons and ignorant.

Simple as that. The world is full of them. There aren't enough hours in the day to spend it trying to "enlighten" all those who need it. If they ask rather than make assumptions, I'd be perfectly happy to.

Good quote - they prove it.

clint-ruin
12-27-2004, 07:57 PM
Someone, please, just say j*p.

roybaty
12-27-2004, 08:30 PM
Okay who else saw this coming. This debate is too heated and in the end everyone just yells at eachother. This is why the lounge went bye-bye. Time to lock it up mods.

BTW as far as I know blacks were enlisted in the Confederate Army because it wasn't much of a choice AND the south had serious manpower issues. Just like the Germans enlisted other "lesser" races because they needed the manpower. I'm not in favor of banning symbols but lets not make the argument that African Americans were enthused about fighting the Union to defend their slavers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Okay now the mods can lock the topic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

dannyworkman
12-27-2004, 09:52 PM
Why lock it.
I am 48 if there were dress codes for school simular to what we had there would be less problems.No t shirts no dungerees no sneakers
no hats in class.any thing that was considered a distraction was banned.

As far as adults please wear your symbols so I can see who you are for real.
The Stars and Bars was the confederate battle flag.After the civil war it was guaranteed that we may keep all our symbols and holidays as long as we pleged aligance to the Union.By the way the civil war was about the soverienty of states little about slavery.In the Lincoln Douglas debates Lincoln said he had no desire to free the slaves he had his arm twisted by europe to do so.
Now lets talk about the fairy tale of Geo Washington and the Cherry tree......
We fought a war against Friggen Mexico but I still have to put up with cino de friggen mayo and that lil 3rd world flag

huggy87
12-27-2004, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dannyworkman:

The Stars and Bars was the confederate battle flag.After the civil war it was guaranteed that we may keep all our symbols and holidays as long as we pleged aligance to the Union.By the way the civil war was about the soverienty of states little about slavery.In the Lincoln Douglas debates Lincoln said he had no desire to free the slaves he had his arm twisted by europe to do so.
Now lets talk about the fairy tale of Geo Washington and the Cherry tree......
We fought a war against Friggen Mexico but I still have to put up with cino de friggen mayo and that lil 3rd world flag <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Everyone knows that ending slavery was ancillary to states rights vs. maintaining the union in the U.S. civil war. However, what was the South's main reason for wanting to secede? For the right to keep slavery. The confederate flag is no more about states rights than the swastika is about the unfairness of the versailles treaty.

There is a good reason why few choose to use the symbology of the swastika in europe nowadays. It just has too much horror, suffering, evil, and human misery attached to it. Attach whatever meaning you like to the confederate flag, I won't whitewash my view of it.

Nanuk66
12-27-2004, 11:09 PM
For that person that was about to say 'Jap' - U not allowed to say 'Jap' cause 'Jap' is bad..mmmkay?

darkhorizon11
12-27-2004, 11:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Contextual perversion at its worst. I can't believe this is allowed. The ignorance displayed here is _offensive_.

It hurts me to see so many pervert this story into something it is not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee whiz. Who died and crowned you mod?

heywooood
12-27-2004, 11:39 PM
uffff!

political correctness = perpetual paranoia

'correct' me if I'm wrong, but aren't people that spend so much time worrying about what other people are thinking lame?....I think so.

How can you spend your whole life this way and never know whether you were ever right...in fact, I'd venture to say that, in addition to missing out on alot of real personal experiences, you know - because you were worrying about other peoples' thoughts and expressions all the time, you would have very little of value to talk about in the after-life...or in your case - the after-b1tch.

I am not addressing anyone above BtW...that is the generic 'you' in the context of my rant.

No animals were severely harmed in the posting of this oppinion. This oppinion is not valid in New Hampshire, Connecticut or Canada. Batteries not included. Lawyers not welcome.

roybaty
12-28-2004, 05:49 AM
Where the heck are the Finns, Ya'll know the story of the von Rosen Cross, if anyone has a good argument they do.

Anyhoo, I know the Civil War was not simply over slavery, but it was a key issue. This however doesn't invalidate the point about blacks in the southern army, I mean why would they give a hoot in hell about states rights when they had none? I also know many (most) in the north weren't abolitionists, and Lincoln wasn't all fired up upon freeing the slaves.

As for closing the thread, I joke because socio-political threads often are locked because they get too heated and people just start getting nasty.

But again, despite the meaning(s) of symbols they shoould not be banned.

LLv26_Morko
12-28-2004, 06:12 AM
The Finns are here! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
so does anybody find this offending or "Evil"
or nazi symbol...
History of Von Rosen Cross

http://www.k-silmailumuseo.fi/?action=arkisto&RYHMA=8&ID=8

i think it has nothing to do with anykind of nazism etc...or gangs or anything...

BlitzPig_DDT
12-28-2004, 07:40 AM
The "Stars and bars" and the "confederate flag" are something different than what I have in my sig. First off.

Secondly, Lincoln WAAAAY over stepped his bounds and ABUSED his authority in a manner that is simply OUT-FUC|&lt;ING-RAGEOUS. There is no excuse for what he did.

I often have to say, he did 1 good thing, but he did it in ENTIRELY the WRONG way. The effects of his actions (which included threatening to jail Supreme Court Justices that might speak out against him) is the illegal usurpation of power by the federal gov't. Something anathema to The Founders.

The States had every right to suscede. They were denied that right by a domestic tyrant.

Nobody is going to suggest that slavery is good, or even acceptable. But, the simple fact of the matter is that what Lincoln did (the war) was illegal and wrong. The aftermath has included outright covering up of facts. You are a victim of the system huggy. You've been nicely trained to think exactly what they want you to think and to misassociate symbols with deeds in exactly the way they want you to.

I've said it before, that is there in my sig for political significance and has NOTHING to do with racism of any kind. Hell, if I could have found a 13 star for Old Glory I'd have used that instead of the 50. lol

Something else both sad, and mildly amusing, is that people (even otherwise apparently intelligent people) are convinced that The Founders were pro-slavery. More evidence of the socialistic influence in the school system (since the ideology of The Founders is diametrically opposed to the socialists, they seek to defame and discredit them, faslely painting them as pro-slavery is part of their game plan).

MEGILE
12-28-2004, 07:52 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Go and find yourselves a political forum to post in.

roybaty
12-28-2004, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You are a victim of the system huggy. You've been nicely trained to think exactly what they want you to think and to misassociate symbols with deeds in exactly the way they want you to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do I find this statement insulting, oh yes, I'm basically being called an ignorant dupe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Okay you believe your history, I'll believe mine and leave it at that. BTW I never made ANY comment about symbols, in fact as I have said several times symbols shouldn't be banned, and never made associations between the symbols and actions made under them.

I'm done here.

BlitzPig_DDT
12-28-2004, 09:55 AM
And hence, it didn't apply to you. Chill...

roybaty
12-28-2004, 10:15 AM
Sorry, I just reread the statement, I thought huggy was some sorta derogatory remark about northern liberals, but I see there is a post by Huggy87 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif.

Errm, uhh nevermind http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSS_Goat
12-28-2004, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roybaty:
I thought huggy was some sorta derogatory remark about northern liberals,
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey thats a good one! I'll have to write that down ... bunch a d@mn huggies LOL

roybaty
12-28-2004, 12:46 PM
I am a bit defensive about being called a "Huggy" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif , being from Massachusetts everyone thinks you are a skinny, pale, vegan, gun hating, tree hugger (hence my assumption about "Huggy" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

I do admit liberal leanings, but I have a practical consideration for how things should work and how they do work.

Kongo Otto
12-28-2004, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
In fact, Maltese Cross is NOWADAYS the badge used in actual Germany Luftwaffe aircraft (GAF), with NATO's blessings, with no problem...

http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/DocName/InternetLw_Home

http://www.luftwaffe.de/C1256C770036BB94/vwcontentByKey/FE527309F118E9FAC1256E8500353A17/$FILE/20040428_103_G.jpg

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Pal,but thats still the Iron Cross.

BlitzPig_DDT
12-28-2004, 01:23 PM
"Tree Hugger" != Liberal.

I'm a right wing tree hugger. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

AFJ_Locust
12-28-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
More people (or person, I'll leave that up to the reader http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) giving power over themselves to meaningless lines. AND defending it. Wow. What a surprise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Best of all, they don't even know what the hell they are talking about. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems you didnt read the artical very closley

AFJ_Locust
12-28-2004, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
I've seen gangs with Nike shirts.

Never heard of a ban for the Nike logo! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Nike Logo isint affiliated with Hitler or the holocost.

When I was in Highschool In California, many items of clothing were banned even certain styles were banned because they were KNOWN gang styles.....

Im sure the Rabi was misquoted by whomever wrote this Artical.

also the symbol the Hebrews used was in reverse the legs were going in the opposite direction.

AFJ_Locust
12-28-2004, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snuffy_Hadden:
The same thing is happening to another Piece of History. Certain individuals want to ban anything related to the Southern Cause during the Civil War in America, because it is representative of slavery.

NOT true. It's representative of a way of life and a culture as well as states rights.

Besides, the Confederacy had persons of color enlisted in their ranks as well. Figure that one out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

I still get the occasional moron that gives me a hard time over my sig.

They don't even know what that flag IS, let alone what it "means" or why I have it there.

Hell it happenend in this thread. lol <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

O BROTHER

YOU SO FULL OF IT.

I know a bunch of Good Oll Boyz right down here in the south, And if there not racist Im Santa Clause, They have rebel flags on there big trucks & in there homes & when your around them there alwayes cussing the Africans or the Mexicans Infact being around them is hardley tolerable because the stench of hate is so thick 75% of what comes out of there mouth is some form of hatefullness its realy sad.

Rember there is a real world out there that people live in & I see this chit every day.

So.... to try & play it off like its a harmless flag, means nothing, is a bunch of bull, the racist folks use it as a symbol & Love it just as much as you do.

Guess you never herd the saying.....

"Birds of a feather flock together"

Personaly, I dont think that every person that has a rebel flag is a racist scumbag, my point is that thoes symbols cary weight & meaning & there not just lines & squiggles if they were why would you use them ? If they had no meaning ? whats the point ?

Hope you can understand it better this time.

BlitzPig_DDT
12-28-2004, 02:27 PM
Ok, so, you are clueless, yet have the balls to be condescending to me about "understanding"? Fascinating.

I have explained it, in many threads, including this one, but you simply WANT to not understand it, so what would be the point in explain it again?

Instead, I'll just point and laugh at your self-indulged idiocy.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

AFJ_Locust
12-28-2004, 02:39 PM
Obviousley you dont understand or choose not to.

I should have relised that when you called Lincoln a tyrant.

roybaty
12-28-2004, 02:43 PM
I like beer, who's with me! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

BlitzPig_DDT
12-28-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
Obviousley you dont understand or choose not to.

I should have relised that when you called Lincoln a tyrant. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A tyrant is one who oversteps his authority and does as he wishes with the country he is in charge of.

You can make any claim you like. But you refuse to see the truth and accept that you were fed bull$hit by the system.

Just another mindless drone.

Come on, bleat for us, sheep.

roybaty
12-28-2004, 02:52 PM
Again beer anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

VOL_Hans
12-28-2004, 03:52 PM
Things are getting out of hand nowadays, and thats becoming the norm. Personally I could come up with something about every country on earth that offends me and use it as a reason to ban national symbols.

Perhaps it's time for people world wide to just suck it up and learn to deal with things like the Swastika on WWII era aircraft.

Next thing you know were gonna be banning the UN Flag and the Red Cross...

Chuck_Older
12-28-2004, 04:54 PM
fffft! ffft! ROOWWWR! fffttt! FFFTTT! HSSSSSS!!!

strewth
12-28-2004, 07:43 PM
You know the craziest thing.

The best way to drown out the evil of the Swastika and Iron Cross is to actively promote them for what they really are. Symbols of peace!!

While ever people fear these symbols (wrongly), others will use them to invoke fear.

If happy normal people commonly wore them as a true representation for what they are, do you think some perveted rebel skinhead would feel comfortable wearing such a happy nerdy symbol. Not likely!!

Or is it that others like to keep people fearing these symbols as an argument for their own plight.

Oh poop, I just found a fourleaf clover that might faintly resemble something evil like a cross http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif MUST DESTROY ENTIRE LAWN http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
MY LAWN IS EVIL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif HELP, MY LAWN IS ALTERING MY BRAIN http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif MUST http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifTRY http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifTO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifRESIST http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifAND WARN http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gifOTHERS http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gifAAAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Can we all now please grow up and admire the world http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Wert4562
12-28-2004, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Political correctness is getting incorrect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It has ALWAYS been incorrect Dux. One of the closest manifestations of "evil" that exists today. (socialism notwithstanding, but they are intertwined in ways, at times) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Even though you're an American, I have to agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


See, there's some political incorrectness!

dannyworkman
12-28-2004, 09:23 PM
Have you got a ******ss?
Lincoln was a Dictator after him reps became dems and vice versa