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DKoor
05-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Well..... I like Hayabusa the most of all contemporary fighters in PTO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
Therefore here is a thread dedicated to this...... fact http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It got its nickname after this bird....
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/animals/images/1024/peregrine-falcon.jpg
...peregrine falcon (Hayabusa). US code name "Oscar". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
The Zero..... never really liked it..... this Ki-43 crate is just soo sweet. So logically I choose IJA above IJN of course.

Here are some comparisons;
http://i19.tinypic.com/6fqjk06.jpg
Few quick observations..... it is clear how A6M has a superior speed but, Hayabusa has it's own advantages as well! Perhaps the best being the insane ROC! It climbs like a monkey whose tail's on fire! Some may say that the Ki-43 is an extreme, exaggerated Zero! And they wouldn't be very wrong on that one, if it just..... doesn't look way more cool than the A6M.

http://i15.tinypic.com/6gspsle.jpg
Also in clashes Vs P-40's, Ki-43 can outclimb the Kittyhawk, but in turn P-40 can always force the Hayabusa to fight being non-comparably faster and stuff.... so Ki-43 must stay and fight.
I really am sad about the fact that we have only Ki-43-II's as the most advanced Hayabusas in game.... we won't get the Ki-43-III's! And be sure that would be my choice perhaps to the end of the WW2......... it's cr@ppy slow, it's underarmed but it has style! LoL I sound like my neighbors, the Italians (style) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
And we shouldn't overlook the new 2x20mm's fitted on III's. Perhaps they had even better fuel tank protection, FT protection that some early models didn't have (Hayabusa I = what's teh fuel tank protection http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif)

http://i16.tinypic.com/54di8b9.jpg
Third graph represents Ki-43-I Vs Ki-43-II stats..... it's noticeable that in regards of performance II's have advantage in speed, but in turn they have cr@ppier turn and RoC http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
There is also one curious in-game fact that I never really understood since we get Ki-43-II's flyable....... why they are easier to put in a spin than Ki-43-I's ? Sure the I's have better turn and perhaps better stability, but II's shouldn't be that different to I's in this regard.
II's also look cooler, having that 3-blade prop, non-telescopic "normal" site.....

http://i8.tinypic.com/535t5cg.jpg
Last but not least http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif..... US Navy Vs Ki-43. I don't know if such clashes took place, and if they did sure thing the F4F met the A6M's much more than the Hayabusas.... but nevertheless this is an interesting comparison. With pretty much same conclusions as Ki-43 Vs P-40 "matchup". The difference being that F4F is perhaps more sturdy fighter than the P-40..... but I feel that in game P-40 doesn't posses RL toughness, its RL DM..... I wont even start about its glass jaw. So in a way P-40 is more "suitable" opponent to Ki-43 armament than the sturdy F4F.

DKoor
05-23-2007, 11:35 AM
Well..... I like Hayabusa the most of all contemporary fighters in PTO! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
Therefore here is a thread dedicated to this...... fact http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It got its nickname after this bird....
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/animals/images/1024/peregrine-falcon.jpg
...peregrine falcon (Hayabusa). US code name "Oscar". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
The Zero..... never really liked it..... this Ki-43 crate is just soo sweet. So logically I choose IJA above IJN of course.

Here are some comparisons;
http://i19.tinypic.com/6fqjk06.jpg
Few quick observations..... it is clear how A6M has a superior speed but, Hayabusa has it's own advantages as well! Perhaps the best being the insane ROC! It climbs like a monkey whose tail's on fire! Some may say that the Ki-43 is an extreme, exaggerated Zero! And they wouldn't be very wrong on that one, if it just..... doesn't look way more cool than the A6M.

http://i15.tinypic.com/6gspsle.jpg
Also in clashes Vs P-40's, Ki-43 can outclimb the Kittyhawk, but in turn P-40 can always force the Hayabusa to fight being non-comparably faster and stuff.... so Ki-43 must stay and fight.
I really am sad about the fact that we have only Ki-43-II's as the most advanced Hayabusas in game.... we won't get the Ki-43-III's! And be sure that would be my choice perhaps to the end of the WW2......... it's cr@ppy slow, it's underarmed but it has style! LoL I sound like my neighbors, the Italians (style) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
And we shouldn't overlook the new 2x20mm's fitted on III's. Perhaps they had even better fuel tank protection, FT protection that some early models didn't have (Hayabusa I = what's teh fuel tank protection http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif)

http://i16.tinypic.com/54di8b9.jpg
Third graph represents Ki-43-I Vs Ki-43-II stats..... it's noticeable that in regards of performance II's have advantage in speed, but in turn they have cr@ppier turn and RoC http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
There is also one curious in-game fact that I never really understood since we get Ki-43-II's flyable....... why they are easier to put in a spin than Ki-43-I's ? Sure the I's have better turn and perhaps better stability, but II's shouldn't be that different to I's in this regard.
II's also look cooler, having that 3-blade prop, non-telescopic "normal" site.....

http://i8.tinypic.com/535t5cg.jpg
Last but not least http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif..... US Navy Vs Ki-43. I don't know if such clashes took place, and if they did sure thing the F4F met the A6M's much more than the Hayabusas.... but nevertheless this is an interesting comparison. With pretty much same conclusions as Ki-43 Vs P-40 "matchup". The difference being that F4F is perhaps more sturdy fighter than the P-40..... but I feel that in game P-40 doesn't posses RL toughness, its RL DM..... I wont even start about its glass jaw. So in a way P-40 is more "suitable" opponent to Ki-43 armament than the sturdy F4F.

JG53Frankyboy
05-23-2007, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
............. we won't get the Ki-43-III's! And be sure that would be my choice perhaps to the end of the WW2......... it's cr@ppy slow, it's underarmed but it has style! LoL I sound like my neighbors, the Italians (style) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
And we shouldn't overlook the new 2x20mm's fitted on III's. ...................... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the IIIs that saw action still had only the two 12,7mm Ho-103 guns.
the 20mm Ho-2 armed III_Otsu was only a testplane, build two times - was considered as too heavy with this armament.

and yes, the stall behaviour of the II compared to the I in game is "strange"..........

tigertalon
05-23-2007, 11:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DKoor:
II's also look cooler, having that 3-blade prop, non-telescopic "normal" site..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cute little thingy aint she? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

On a tnb fighters I actually started to prefer the telescopic sight over the reflector. It has numerous advantages: it enables you to shoot the engine or cockpit of a turning plane specifically and with a scary accuracy, using very little ammo, it's also easier to aim fleeing aircraft. Another point is that telescopic sights 'see' over the cowling of airplane (bug), thus enabling nice deflection shooting - kinda like wonderwoman. Having a shift-F1 shortcut mounted on a joystick is a must tho. Hell I'd even mount one on my trustworthy 190 in place of that beloved bar(TM).

DKoor
05-23-2007, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tigertalon:
On a tnb fighters I actually started to prefer the telescopic sight over the reflector. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can see where you aim at, it has advantages over normal site, especially if the 43 is armed with 2 x 7,62 or 1 x 12,7mm+7,62mm, however normal site is IMO more suitable for Ki-43-II's, my reason being the lack of I's agility (weird spin "prone") and this aircraft is armed with 2 x 12,7mm whose punch from close range is considerable in combination with Ki-43's agility...... believe it or not, I shot down 4 X ace ai FM-2's with one l0ad of ammo....... (it has 250 RpG)
I set my gun conv very low at 150m at most, so at close range I'm pumping 2 x 12,7mm bullets almost in same place, he11 that way even a B-17 must notice that something is going on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It has numerous advantages: it enables you to shoot the engine or cockpit of a turning plane specifically and with a scary accuracy, using very little ammo, it's also easier to aim fleeing aircraft. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That's true! I can't count times when I aimed for wing fuel tanks on P-39, or the P-40's nose....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Another point is that telescopic sights 'see' over the cowling of airplane (bug), thus enabling nice deflection shooting - kinda like wonderwoman. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes that's also true, hit the SHIFT+F1 and voila! Very useful for taxiing when the airfield is populated.....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Having a shift-F1 shortcut mounted on a joystick is a must tho. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, this is strange because I also came to this idea just yesterday! This SHIFT+F1 thing has another great advantage; once when you zoom out, view is centered to "look forward" view.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hell I'd even mount one on my trustworthy 190 in place of that beloved bar(TM). </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

JtD
05-23-2007, 12:39 PM
Ki-43 were used in Burma, where they fought Spits. Try comparing a Ki-43 to a Spit V, later IX.

I like the plane, too, but I hate the telescope and the poor armament makes it a poor fighter. It's my preferred aerobatics ride.

JG53Frankyboy
05-23-2007, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
Ki-43 were used in Burma, where they fought Spits. Try comparing a Ki-43 to a Spit V, later IX.

I like the plane, too, but I hate the telescope and the poor armament makes it a poor fighter. It's my preferred aerobatics ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ki-43-II/Ki-61Otsu vs P-40E/P-39D-1
is an interesting NewGuinea match up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and Ki-43-I most propably met F4Fs over the Solomons early 1943.

Ki-43-I vs HurricaneIIb and Buffalo Mk.I over Malaya http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

and Burma is for sure Oscar playground http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
HAwk81, Hurricanes, MohawkIV, SpitV, SpitIX and so on

DKoor
05-23-2007, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
I like the plane, too, but I hate the telescope and the poor armament makes it a poor fighter. It's my preferred aerobatics ride. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thankfully they hadn't fought Vs USN there...... it'd be extremely tough since those fearsome F4F's just soak up 7,62mm and 12,7mm fire with smile http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Things are radically different Vs Spitfires and Hurricanes...... I always aim for their engines and cockpit that way I inflict most of the damage.... shooting at their bellies (engine area) is the best area to aim to..... no need to hit the wings because even crippled Spitfire is still faster and another reason I can out maneuver a "healthy" Spitfire no prob..... just, one shouldn't underestimate Spitfire's maneuverability one sec in front of Hispanos and my Hayabusa is reduced to a dewinged flaming pile of poo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Vs Hurricanes matchup is noticeably easier as long as I watch out for 12 x 7,62 (let alone Hurri IIc's quad Hispanoes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif) which are also extremely fearsome to Ki-43, they lit it up at lightning speed! Only few bullets are enough...... and from my experience, you don't live long in Hayabusa on fire, so opening the cockpit and ejection ASAP is a must.

I'm mentioning this, although it's a normal thing to do with ac on fire, because with some aircraft you can actually continue to fight. Such aircraft are Ki-84 and P-38. 109 also dies from an explosion (if on fire) in a matter of seconds.

Daiichidoku
05-23-2007, 01:16 PM
i wuz oscars!

1v1, anyone stupid enough to pause even a breath to think about turning near an oscar deserves death by scalpel

2x7.7 is all you need...anbd i use the tele sight when im in it, and i msoytly fly arcade...this is a plane i can truly aim and pick my shots without fail

it DOES accel in a dive well, and can hold a good speed too


helkl, i luve the ki27 ko even more!

honestly, i havent been hit in it enough to tell if it has an overmodelled DM, as ive heard

hehe ki27 can get close to 600kph, intercept in a climb or dive....and stop on a dime and latch onto a tail np....


peashooters rock!

GerritJ9
05-23-2007, 01:25 PM
The most likely reasons for the Ki.43-II going into a spin more easily than the -I are:
1) wing span and area had been reduced, which would in itself increase wing loading even if nothing else had been changed
2) the -II's weight had increased due to addition of things such as 13mm armour head and back plates, self-sealing petrol tanks and some strengthening of the structure to enable the wing mounting points to carry 250kg bombs and no doubt also to eliminate some structural weaknesses discovered in combat over Malaya and Java. Empty weight of a Ki.43-Ia was 3,483 lbs, that of a -IIa was 4,211 lbs; normal loaded weights were 4,515 lbs and 5,710 lbs respectively.

DKoor
05-23-2007, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
honestly, i havent been hit in it enough to tell if it has an overmodelled DM, as ive heard </div></BLOCKQUOTE>LoL overmodelled it is, be sure!
Ki-27's DM is one of the most overmodelled ones, it's the fecking LaGG-3 of the Pacific http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Seriously....... I flew it in over 50 missions over Singapore.... thing remarkably resists 0.50cals........ any kind of damage, that is, while Ki-43 is a paper plane compared to it, there's no real comparison! Except.... night & day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Also nasty thing about the Ki-27 is that I could screw my engine if I go into too steep dive, I think that thing just overrevs..... so just I thought that I'm close to invulnerable, diving did the job properly!

DKoor
05-23-2007, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GerritJ9:
The most likely reasons for the Ki.43-II going into a spin more easily than the -I are:
1) wing span and area had been reduced, which would in itself increase wing loading even if nothing else had been changed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This can explain it's worse turn in comparison to Ki-43-I.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">2) the -II's weight had increased due to addition of things such as 13mm armour head and back plates, self-sealing petrol tanks and some strengthening of the structure to enable the wing mounting points to carry 250kg bombs and no doubt also to eliminate some structural weaknesses discovered in combat over Malaya and Java. Empty weight of a Ki.43-Ia was 3,483 lbs, that of a -IIa was 4,211 lbs; normal loaded weights were 4,515 lbs and 5,710 lbs respectively. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>....and this explains lower RoC...... thanks for info!

Gibbage1
05-23-2007, 01:55 PM
I like the model http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GerritJ9
05-23-2007, 01:55 PM
If it's climb rate you want, wait for the CW-21B to be added to IL2FBPF....... this plane had a phenomenal climb rate, being able to outclimb ANYTHING in 1941. It'll leave your Oscar for dead! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DKoor
05-23-2007, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I like the model http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>LoL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fordfan25
05-23-2007, 09:56 PM
I LOVE THE KI-43....thay make for nice fire works in my 38 :P

DKoor
05-24-2007, 04:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GerritJ9:
If it's climb rate you want, wait for the CW-21B to be added to IL2FBPF....... this plane had a phenomenal climb rate, being able to outclimb ANYTHING in 1941. It'll leave your Oscar for dead! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>He he..... I can't wait for a Demon to get included in the IL-2 46 PTO dept!
Oscar is a funny fighter...... what it can't outclimb, it can outturn, what it can't outturn it can outrun! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So..... I believe that CW-21 wont get much chance if it's on par with Oscar regarding speed.

Oscar is simply, no.1 turning fighter of WW2! Biplanes and earlier Japanese models such is Ki-27 aren't really in the same "category" in spite of having even better turn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif their overall speed is just too low, dive speeds are very poor and overall they had very outdated design compared to the Ki-43.

Rammjaeger
05-24-2007, 04:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
hehe ki27 can get close to 600kph, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What the hell? I normally got ailerons torn off in the 'China Incident' campaign whenever I dived beyond 450 kph.

I would prefer a Zero to a Hayabusa anytime due to the larger ammo load of the machine guns and (of course) the wing cannons. Especially the A6M5a with the belt-fed long-barreled Type 99-II cannons.

JG53Frankyboy
05-24-2007, 05:07 AM
il2compare is giving 500km/h(without pushing any G-force) IAS as max dive speed for the Ki-27. and to my ingame experience that fits.

weird is that its speed gauge does not show much more than ~300km/h http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif - thats the "proplem" of using a knot-texture in a km/h reading speed gauge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DKoor
05-24-2007, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
I normally got ailerons torn off in the 'China Incident' campaign whenever I dived beyond 450 kph. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes ailerons can be torn off quite easily on speeds ~500km/h TAS. That thing is followed by the ac tendency to strong swing to one side.....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would prefer a Zero to a Hayabusa </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It is your right to do so..... just mind you, Zero doesn't look nearly as good, and if I'm to die I wanna go with style!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">anytime due to the larger ammo load of the machine guns and (of course) the wing cannons. Especially the A6M5a with the belt-fed long-barreled Type 99-II cannons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That is all right, sure A6M has advantage of firepower over Oscar.... just I survived many cannon attacks while I was beyond USN crate controls.... those are extremely sturdy planes. The reason why I survived was; I either had speed to make a separation or the Zero ran out of ammo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif 125 (100 in some cases) RpG is quite poor quantity.
When that runs out, Ki-43 actually has better firepower consisting of two HMG's with 250 RpG. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Those HMG's can hurt US birds badly be sure! You just must make sure that you aim accurately at vulnerable points.

Here's one example;
Ki-43-II Vs 4xFM-2's (http://www.esnips.com/doc/1a55a697-d86d-4d7a-b844-a731212133b2/DKoorKi43-vs-4xFM2-408)

Daiichidoku
05-24-2007, 12:19 PM
sorry, the king is the A6M3

(contrary to RL) the M3 is best performing zero in all categories except turn, which the M2s do slightly better

but the 1000 rds for each 7.7cowl gun is the shizznit!

Ernst_Rohr
05-24-2007, 12:27 PM
I love the Hayabusa, for an early war ride, the Ki-43I is still my favorite.

I actually like the sight on the early Hayabusa's, it gives some really good pinpoint shooting capability. I cant tell you how many times I have whacked the engines on P-40's and Spits when they started to turn and gave me a deflection shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think what makes the Hayabusa such a good fighter was that the Ki-43 has one of the best accelleration rates in the game. Sure the top speed is low, but if you get into a tight turn with the Ki-43, the 43 can accellerate out of the turn a LOT faster than comparable planes.

It addition to being one of the top turn fighters, the roll rate on the Hayabusa is also respectable, and that in conjunction with a snap turn makes the Hayabusa very hard to stay with.

The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot.

DKoor
05-24-2007, 12:29 PM
Daiichi check this out
http://i18.tinypic.com/4yyrt51.jpg
A6M3 Vs A6M5a virtually same stats and A6M5a has more cannon ammo, 50 more rounds overall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif .... but I'm confused here performance-wise.... IMO A6M3 is slightly better I'll check it in game
....and.....
http://i14.tinypic.com/4xzhp9t.jpg
Ki-43-II Vs A6M5a with another gun/cannon load

This may actually came as a surprise..... I for one, did not know that I can select only 1/2 of A6M load http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

And yes.... about A6M3 probably being the best Zero in game. Unmatched in game at the year of its production.

But still..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DKoor
05-24-2007, 12:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This in fact is true...
http://i8.tinypic.com/4mmi4vo.jpg

... it's a tough oppo to many WW2 early war axis fighters...... but I'd say it has no real chance Vs Ki-43..... Oscar owns it heavily in level speed, they are evenly matched in almost all other areas, and not to disregard Oscar should own I-153 in dive..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif LoL this sure do sound ridiculous but it's true!

One another things.... Oscar has telescopic sight, and overall much better from-cockpit visibility so that is another plus.....

Gibbage1
05-24-2007, 02:00 PM
I think the Cw-21b will have climb, speed, and dive. It will be a B&Z, thats for sure! At least vs the likes of the Japanese army and navy. On the otherhand, with its wing loading and how light the bugger is, im sure it will turn inside a Spitfire. So it will be interesting to see how it stacks up early war in Europ. I think it will be a great aircraft, with a powerfull armorment all in the nose. 4x .30 cal or 4x .50 cal in the nose. If it ever makes it into the game.

stalkervision
05-24-2007, 02:13 PM
and what other airplane actually had A SONG written about it..


"Song of the Haybusa"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBXrmt1cbPk

The lyrics aren't nearly as bad as the melody! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In english it's ain't so bad.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


before one flies this plane one should first aquire a Japanese flight suit or at least the helmut and goggles...eat some Sushi and drink some Saki..sing this song..and then strap yourself in the cockpit for your next mission for the glorious Emperior! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wimmer where are you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Nope he only flies zeros'.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Daiichidoku
05-24-2007, 02:17 PM
rgrt DKoor, i recall an older game/compare version which showed the M3 having a slight edge in climb top speed etc over later variants

the 5a however, does NOT share the roll rate the M3 enjoys IN GAME...IRL, the 5s and 5as retained the M3s roll rate by re introducing the rounded wingtips, but reducing span

stalkervision
05-24-2007, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I love the Hayabusa, for an early war ride, the Ki-43I is still my favorite.

I actually like the sight on the early Hayabusa's, it gives some really good pinpoint shooting capability. I cant tell you how many times I have whacked the engines on P-40's and Spits when they started to turn and gave me a deflection shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think what makes the Hayabusa such a good fighter was that the Ki-43 has one of the best accelleration rates in the game. Sure the top speed is low, but if you get into a tight turn with the Ki-43, the 43 can accellerate out of the turn a LOT faster than comparable planes.

It addition to being one of the top turn fighters, the roll rate on the Hayabusa is also respectable, and that in conjunction with a snap turn makes the Hayabusa very hard to stay with.

The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the "butterfly flaps" luke...use the flaps.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

GerritJ9
05-24-2007, 03:01 PM
Over East Java, the CW-21B failed against the A6M2- the Zeros' 20mm guns made mincemeat of the CW's light structure. As a result, the survivors were withdrawn to West Java and initially forbidden to enter combat against enemy fighters. It was not until the wreck of a Ki.43 which was shot down over West Java was examined that it was realized that there were actually TWO Japanese fighter types, not one. Since the Ki.43 appeared exclusively over West Java whereas the A6M2 almost exclusively operated over East Java and the examination of the Ki.43 had revealed that its gunpower was considerably less than the A6M2's the order to avoid combat with enemy fighters was rescinded for the CW-21Bs. The KNIL pilots found that the CW-21B could outclimb the Ki.43 and was just as manoeuverable as their opponent, with the added advantage of having back armour for the pilot plus a reflector gunsight and better firepower- but unlike the Brewsters, the petrol tanks were not self-sealing. So all in all, you Ki.43 fans had better hope that Oleg doesn't add the CW to the sim......... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ernst_Rohr
05-24-2007, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I love the Hayabusa, for an early war ride, the Ki-43I is still my favorite.

I actually like the sight on the early Hayabusa's, it gives some really good pinpoint shooting capability. I cant tell you how many times I have whacked the engines on P-40's and Spits when they started to turn and gave me a deflection shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think what makes the Hayabusa such a good fighter was that the Ki-43 has one of the best accelleration rates in the game. Sure the top speed is low, but if you get into a tight turn with the Ki-43, the 43 can accellerate out of the turn a LOT faster than comparable planes.

It addition to being one of the top turn fighters, the roll rate on the Hayabusa is also respectable, and that in conjunction with a snap turn makes the Hayabusa very hard to stay with.

The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the "butterfly flaps" luke...use the flaps.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use em all the time, along with the negative G noseover, which is good against noob pilots in the 153. Against a pilot who knows what he is doing, your in for a rough fight! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DKoor
05-24-2007, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
I think the Cw-21b will have climb, speed, and dive. It will be a B&Z, thats for sure! 4x .30 cal or 4x .50 cal in the nose. If it ever makes it into the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Translated; quick burst and Oscar is badly damaged/destroyed.... that's a nasty ac!
Especially with that kind of performance.

DKoor
05-24-2007, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GerritJ9:
....the CW-21B could outclimb the Ki.43 and was just as manoeuverable as their opponent, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well..... we'll see about that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DKoor
05-24-2007, 04:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
and what other airplane actually had A SONG written about it..


"Song of the Haybusa"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBXrmt1cbPk

The lyrics aren't nearly as bad as the melody! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

In english it's ain't so bad.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


before one flies this plane one should first aquire a Japanese flight suit or at least the helmut and goggles...eat some Sushi and drink some Saki..sing this song..and then strap yourself in the cockpit for your next mission for the glorious Emperior! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wimmer where are you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Nope he only flies zeros'.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.acompletewasteofspace.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/gm_banana2.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'll try to find that guncam clip where US ac attacks a Ki-43, man you should see that white trails coming from Oscars wingtips.... awesome! Of course the American missed that little nimble fecker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Here is the Ki-43 64th Sentai (arrows on tails) clip from CFS(2?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixgC4WIGxU&mode=related&search=

DKoor
05-24-2007, 04:53 PM
Here is really nice Oscar video;
Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa (Peregrine Falcon) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7FYVEWNNrQ)

Here is his older bro with fixored gears, teh Nate;
Nakajima Ki-27 Nate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ViTQ3ggEIQ&mode=related&search=)

More to come.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LStarosta
05-24-2007, 04:57 PM
I like any plane that can turn inside its own a**hole.

stalkervision
05-24-2007, 05:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I love the Hayabusa, for an early war ride, the Ki-43I is still my favorite.

I actually like the sight on the early Hayabusa's, it gives some really good pinpoint shooting capability. I cant tell you how many times I have whacked the engines on P-40's and Spits when they started to turn and gave me a deflection shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think what makes the Hayabusa such a good fighter was that the Ki-43 has one of the best accelleration rates in the game. Sure the top speed is low, but if you get into a tight turn with the Ki-43, the 43 can accellerate out of the turn a LOT faster than comparable planes.

It addition to being one of the top turn fighters, the roll rate on the Hayabusa is also respectable, and that in conjunction with a snap turn makes the Hayabusa very hard to stay with.

The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the "butterfly flaps" luke...use the flaps.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use em all the time, along with the negative G noseover, which is good against noob pilots in the 153. Against a pilot who knows what he is doing, your in for a rough fight! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a true Jedi master! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DKoor
05-24-2007, 05:21 PM
Here is another one that I dug out;
Yohei Hinoki, IJA Ki-43 Ace interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOCUXtv7Bg)

There are some WW2 guncams and videos available during that interview.... too bad there is no English translation!

DKoor
05-24-2007, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ernst_Rohr:
I love the Hayabusa, for an early war ride, the Ki-43I is still my favorite.

I actually like the sight on the early Hayabusa's, it gives some really good pinpoint shooting capability. I cant tell you how many times I have whacked the engines on P-40's and Spits when they started to turn and gave me a deflection shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I think what makes the Hayabusa such a good fighter was that the Ki-43 has one of the best accelleration rates in the game. Sure the top speed is low, but if you get into a tight turn with the Ki-43, the 43 can accellerate out of the turn a LOT faster than comparable planes.

It addition to being one of the top turn fighters, the roll rate on the Hayabusa is also respectable, and that in conjunction with a snap turn makes the Hayabusa very hard to stay with.

The only plane I really HATE fighting in the Haybusa is the damn I-153. That bird easily competes in the turn, and has the damage mod of an anvil to boot. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use the "butterfly flaps" luke...use the flaps.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use em all the time, along with the negative G noseover, which is good against noob pilots in the 153. Against a pilot who knows what he is doing, your in for a rough fight! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a true Jedi master! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>If I may add, considering Ki-43's armament, which many may recognize as "underpowered", I always settle for E/A emitting black smoke...... I cannot expect to dewing, or set it on fire with two LMG/HMG's!
Few fuel leaks is also enough in many cases especially in PTO, where you need every drop of fuel considering the range that needs to be covered. All right the oppo pilot will perhaps survive but his ac wont..... as he can either force land or bail.

This all is especially true if i can expect further combat...... 250 rounds isn't much, and running out of ammo in the middle of the combat is a very bad.... luck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And one other thing...... since it is almost totally ineffective to shoot at the E/A on ranges over 250m in Ki-43, I set my gun conv to 150m. Sometimes even less.

BTW did anyone checked out that CFS Ki-43 vid ?

I actually RotFL'ed on that one...... exaggerated CFS effects make it seems like Ki-43 is hitting the F2A with Mk108's! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif